Durandall's works

zeebee1

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Why do all of his experimental fics suck? And why doesn't he realize that?
 

Shiakou

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'Cause they don't. They're just not cynical enough for your tastes.
 

marthf1

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Considering that story was already pretty cynical, I really wonder if you're anywhere near the mark.
 

Shiakou

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Cynical enough for zeebee? Few such stories exist. Even fewer are worth reading.
 

zeebee1

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It didn't have a happy ending. It takes a whole lot of skill to make me enjoy something with a sad ending. But to succeed with a oneshot take even more skill. Durandall lacks that degree in skill.
 
<a href='http://soulriders.net/brian/fanfic/kbdh/kbdh53/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>New K:BDH</a>
 

ranmatoushin

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New

<a href='http://soulriders.net/brian/fanfic/kbdh/kbdh54/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://soulriders.net/brian/fanfic/kbdh/kbdh54/</a>
 

Fatuous One

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<a href='http://soulriders.org/brian/fanfic/kbdh/kbdh55/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Kyon: Big Damn Hero - Chapter Fifty Five</a>

<a href='http://soulriders.org/brian/fanfic/normal/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Normal Girl</a>

I thought Normal Girl was really good, by the way. Short, but very cute.
 

Stormfury

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Fatuous One said:
<a href='http://soulriders.org/brian/fanfic/kbdh/kbdh55/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Kyon: Big Damn Hero - Chapter Fifty Five</a>

<a href='http://soulriders.org/brian/fanfic/normal/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Normal Girl</a>

I thought Normal Girl was really good, by the way. Short, but very cute.
Normal Girl was adorable.


Very much worth reading.
 

zeebee1

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Bridges by Durandall.

Sometimes, Haruhi wonders at the distance between her and Kyon...

<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8295376/1/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8295376/1/</a>
 

BloodRevan

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zeebee1

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Outcast by Durandall.

In At a Glance, we explored an alternate universe based on a physical disability. This story tries to accomplish the same thematic goals, while centering on social issues instead. Kyon and Haruhi meet in high-school, but this time around, something is different...

<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8493574/1/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8493574/1/</a>

It uses a theme that is limited to Japan, and it's one that I don't particularly like, but it seems to have his usual level of quality.
 

marthf1

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I would have to agree on both counts, though I would say that the broader concept of that theme isn't quite so limited. I think.
 

Ashaman

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As much as I enjoy them, anyone else feel as though some of his works are getting kind of samey.

I think I'm starting to agree on some of the things that daniel_gudman have said about him.

Its too soap opera-y, while the the fact that, well, GODS, ALIENS, TIME TRAVELLERS AND ESPERS are running around is implied, but mostly ignored.

As much as I love the characters, I also love the setting, which his recent one-shots keep ignoring.

It takes away from my enjoyment of the fic.

There are 3 things that keep happening in his fics - Koizumi is mostly sidelined, its focus's way too much on Slice of Life and mostly if not completely ignores the sci-fi elements and Haruhi changes both way too quickly and much too openly.

And can anyone tell me why he saw fit to set the story in the 70's?
 
maybe it was because in the 70's the discrimination was worse or more pronounced? dunno, and honestly don't care.
but yeah, besides Itsuki being part Korean and a 'friend' of that Kyon in Outcast and retaking relative importance in KBDH, ih Durandall's works Itsuki is either a victim of bias, a villian/manipulator or a non-issue/background character.

OTOH i liked his Higurashi-Haruhi-gigant robot death match fic.

and yes, outside parts of KBDH and some other snippets of his stories, all revolve around slice of life, OTOH in those Haruhi is god, so she changes the setting according to her whims (the author whims, to be more exact), but in KBDH she is forcing herself to 'adapt'/change using a weird form of mind-editing/self-hypnotism.
in the others? yeah she changes too fast.
 

Ashaman

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I find this quote particularly telling:

Yeah, Koizumi doesn't appear. I couldn't come up with a role for him that wasn't at least slightly antagonistic ... but I also don't really know what he could add to the story. Even Nagato is pretty much just there for effect, this time around, and Mikuru's just a foil ... outside of the surprisingly irrelevant adventure!
Its from the authors note of Distant Glances.

From a certain point of view, I can understand that Koizumi is largely uneccessary to the story.

On the other hand, if you can't think of role for the biggest KyonxHaruhi supporter in a KyonxHaruhi story that isn't as the bad guy, you're doing something wrong with the character.

but in KBDH she is forcing herself to 'adapt'/change using a weird form of mind-editing/self-hypnotism
I'm still not sure how I feel about that, though if pushed I'd have to say "unsettling".

Sure, she's doing it to her self, but its still an artificial method of forcibly changing a person.
 
TBH i come to really dislike 'canon' Itsuki as it's not supporting KyonxHaruhi because he honestly cares for them, but becase he is partially bound to Haruhi and his organization wants to please her and calm her so she doesn't change/destroy the World (again) and Kyon is the only one who can do it, willingly or not.

but the same can be said of Mikuru (both)

and seriously that particular story... well IIRC Koizumi only get's introduced because Haruhi 'needed' a 5th member for her club and the whole 'transfer student' and in "at a Glange" and it's continuation, well she didn't need it (and in the continuation Mikuru only served as a TT transport tool and Nagato as a background Character).

but yes, Durandall doesn't care or just plainly dislikes Itsuki, but i liked what he did in K:BDH and in Outcast (tough for the last it jumped to me: Just Why Koizumi appeared in Kyon's school, did he had an 'vision' from Haruhi, the Organization did exist, Why his 'supposed' Korean ancestry, is that Kyon teh true 'god'?)
but as i said, Koizumi is a victim of Character Bias and IMHO it's better to cut a character of the story than bashing it eedlessy (liek he did in his New Game+ fic).

and this makes me want t read other Kyon centric fics or one where Mikuru is indeed a master manipulator/seductress/antagonist/plain Evil Bitch.
 

Shiakou

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shioran toushin said:
but as i said, Koizumi is a victim of Character Bias and IMHO it's better to cut a character of the story than bashing it eedlessy (liek he did in his New Game+ fic).
IIRC, New Game+ Koizumi was not so much bashed as seen by Haruhi as an obstacle.

New Game+ Nagato was basically turned into Haruhi's puppet and Mikuru was already content to be a follower. Koizumi was the only who might have noticed something wrong with the situation and actually done something about it, so Haruhi got rid of him.

In other words, Haruhi (and possibly the author) saw him as a possible antagonist, but not an evil one. Haruhi even said that Koizumi would eventually find his own happy ending.
 
in NG+ he was sent to many schools because Haruhi (and the author) did not like him, including sending him to an All-Girls school in a girl uniform, a 'delinquent' school, to USA and lastly to Xavier's.

and Mikuru (both) was involved in a series of 'embarassing' incidents and accidents so Kyon wouldn't find her 'cute'

in that fic Itsuki and Mikuru were bashed needlessy because no freaking one but Haruhi herself would know thst something changed in the timeline as she 'rescued' Yuki from the IDSE way before the series, the SOS doesn't even exist and even then she forced Kyon to join Nagato's club and so she didn0t form SOS, the only threat to her could be itsuki's link to the organization (a stupid reason because they want haruhi happy, unless you go by the whole Secret Evil Organization whose goal is controlling Haruhi, like Itsuki did in Downfall, where he was the main antagonist) and in the case of Mikuru it's part utter Jealousy and sees her as a threat, well here is the quote:
"Anyway, we're a package deal. And trust me, you won't find any manipulative busty time-traveler nearly as cute or moe as her!"
"It's a good thing I was carrying that around for the drama club supplies!" the green-haired girl chortled. "Haha! Mikuru-chan, what were you even doing crawling around, peeking underneath that bush, nyoro?"

"I-- This," the mysterious ink-covered 'Mikuru' whimpered before subsiding into sobs.

"Sorry!" someone called from inside the building. "It slipped from my hands, honest!"

The green-haired girl cackled again, before putting her phone in her pocket. "Let's get you cleaned up!" she cheered. "Don't worry, I edited out the parts where your face could be seen before I put it on the web!"

Wailing, the ink-stained upperclassman allowed herself to be led away by her chortling friend.
and the incident with Older Mikuru and the Flour.

that Haruhi comes as utter Petty, basically replacing Nagato with her 'pet', makes a runing gag out of Koizumi and continuously humilliates Mikuru so she doesn't meet Kyon.
that IS bashing, slight, light bashing.
it's like a lot more sane CED!Naruto with his sense of ethics and morality still hanging.
 

Ashaman

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shioran toushin said:
TBH i come to really dislike 'canon' Itsuki as it's not supporting KyonxHaruhi because he honestly cares for them, but becase he is partially bound to Haruhi and his organization wants to please her and calm her so she doesn't change/destroy the World (again) and Kyon is the only one who can do it, willingly or not.

but the same can be said of Mikuru (both)

and seriously that particular story... well IIRC Koizumi only get's introduced because Haruhi 'needed' a 5th member for her club and the whole 'transfer student' and in "at a Glange" and it's continuation, well she didn't need it (and in the continuation Mikuru only served as a TT transport tool and Nagato as a background Character).
That's a matter of opinion; while no doubt true at first, I can't say that in books 9-11, Itsuki only supports KyonxHaruhi/ just the two of them in general because his organisation demands it.

And yeah, in that fic he was superfluous. I didn't really mind that he wasn't in it. But what got me was the authors note saying that he couldn't find a role for Koizumi that wasn't antagonistic.

It tells me alot that the idea of introducing Koizumi in a single paragraph, then having Koizumi congradulate the two on getting together at the end is inconcievable to him.
 

Shiakou

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shioran toushin said:
in NG+ he was sent to many schools because Haruhi (and the author) did not like him, including sending him to an All-Girls school in a girl uniform, a 'delinquent' school, to USA and lastly to Xavier's.

and Mikuru (both) was involved in a series of 'embarassing' incidents and accidents so Kyon wouldn't find her 'cute'

in that fic Itsuki and Mikuru were bashed needlessy because no freaking one but Haruhi herself would know thst something changed in the timeline as she 'rescued' Yuki from the IDSE way before the series, the SOS doesn't even exist and even then she forced Kyon to join Nagato's club and so she didn0t form SOS, the only threat to her could be itsuki's link to the organization (a stupid reason because they want haruhi happy, unless you go by the whole Secret Evil Organization whose goal is controlling Haruhi, like Itsuki did in Downfall, where he was the main antagonist) and in the case of Mikuru it's part utter Jealousy and sees her as a threat, well here is the quote:
"Anyway, we're a package deal. And trust me, you won't find any manipulative busty time-traveler nearly as cute or moe as her!"
"It's a good thing I was carrying that around for the drama club supplies!" the green-haired girl chortled. "Haha! Mikuru-chan, what were you even doing crawling around, peeking underneath that bush, nyoro?"

"I-- This," the mysterious ink-covered 'Mikuru' whimpered before subsiding into sobs.

"Sorry!" someone called from inside the building. "It slipped from my hands, honest!"

The green-haired girl cackled again, before putting her phone in her pocket. "Let's get you cleaned up!" she cheered. "Don't worry, I edited out the parts where your face could be seen before I put it on the web!"

Wailing, the ink-stained upperclassman allowed herself to be led away by her chortling friend.
and the incident with Older Mikuru and the Flour.

that Haruhi comes as utter Petty, basically replacing Nagato with her 'pet', makes a runing gag out of Koizumi and continuously humilliates Mikuru so she doesn't meet Kyon.
that IS bashing, slight, light bashing.
it's like a lot more sane CED!Naruto with his sense of ethics and morality still hanging.
Then we simply view the events in a different light. For you, Haruhi is needlessly humiliating Koizumi, with author fiat that it's the right thing to do. For me, Haruhi sends Koizumi off on increasingly farfetched school transfers because she's annoyed that Koizumi keeps finding a way back. It was funny and endeared Koizumi to me because not even God-mode Haruhi could keep him from coming back when he wanted to.

Come on, it was frikkin awesome when Koizumi kept popping Haruhi's bubble. Like Battler vs Beatrice (only they're not in love and Beatrice is the protagonist) all over again, it was clear that Koizumi was the underdog and yet I couldn't help cheering for him every-time he showed up.

Basically, Haruhi was a genki, reality-warping, Mary-Sueish, villain protagonist, Koizumi was a determinator heroic antagonist doomed to failure, Nagato was entirely OOC and brainwashed, Mikuru was actually treated as she was in canon whenever Haruhi got jealous, and Kyon was slightly more oblivious than usual (or maybe just blinded by the awesome Haruhi was radiating).

Which isn't to say that New Game+ Haruhi wasn't a sociopath (she was) but that the whole thing was an okay parody along the lines of Carnival Phantasm or Gintama with Koizumi as that guy you know is going to lose but cheer for anyway.
 
Ashaman said:
shioran toushin said:
TBH i come to really dislike 'canon' Itsuki as it's not supporting KyonxHaruhi because he honestly cares for them, but becase he is partially bound to Haruhi and his organization wants to please her and calm her so she doesn't change/destroy the World (again) and Kyon is the only one who can do it, willingly or not.

but the same can be said of Mikuru (both)

and seriously that particular story... well IIRC Koizumi only get's introduced because Haruhi 'needed' a 5th member for her club and the whole 'transfer student' and in "at a Glange" and it's continuation, well she didn't need it (and in the continuation Mikuru only served as a TT transport tool and Nagato as a background Character).
That's a matter of opinion; while no doubt true at first, I can't say that in books 9-11, Itsuki only supports KyonxHaruhi/ just the two of them in general because his organisation demands it.

And yeah, in that fic he was superfluous. I didn't really mind that he wasn't in it. But what got me was the authors note saying that he couldn't find a role for Koizumi that wasn't antagonistic.

It tells me alot that the idea of introducing Koizumi in a single paragraph, then having Koizumi congradulate the two on getting together at the end is inconcievable to him.
frankly? as Koizumi Itsuki was not needed or introduced in story, well at least a cameo of him congratulating the couple (or at least Kyon for stabilizing Haruhi and making her happy).
introducing him as more than a cameo would break the flow of the story (because the author altered the world, so Koizumi wasn't needed for the club, i think)
i could be wrong.

but yeah he does discriminate Koizumi (he admited it in KBDH and has tried to 'redeem' himself by giving that version a better role and actually including him in the story as Part of the group instead of a background character).

@Shiakou: it was a running gag:
"Koizumi-kun!" a familiar teacher huffed, running into view carrying a uniform on a hangar.

Wasn't this the textbook definition of a running gag? Did things like this actually happen in real life?

For reasons I can't really quite explain, it was somewhat amusing to watch that poor boy get handed another outfit -- male, at least, this time -- and herded away. Suzumiya ran off with him to get her pictures, and returned less than ten minutes later, looking amused and pleased with herself.

"Don't feel too bad for that guy," she encouraged me, before I could wonder aloud. "When the stress gets to him and he drops out to go into veterinary college, it'll be the best decision of his life! It seems harsh, but the twin-tailed girl of his dreams is waiting there -- and will like him a lot more if he's friendly to dogs!"
the org wanted Koizumi near Haruhi per canon Reasons, Haruhi didn't want neither Koizumi nor Mikuru for NG+ reasons, and instead of Durandall simply ignoring Koizumi or putting him as a character who tries to join the club but is rejected/ignored, he get's sent to ridiculous schools until the stress breaks him (and it was the organization behind his return, well that or Haruhi's desire of breaking him)

OTOH Itsuki is no Lancer.
 
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