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[PCHeintz72]

You mean besides the fact that's not Shinji at all, but yet another "person named Shinji Ikari"? They're both garbage.

Meh... Shinji being AU is not all that uncommon, the latest scene in AaO2 is hardly a canon Shinji anymore.

But as for the two I listed... the one had him raised by Predators, so of course he would be different.

The other the main 2 things I dislike was the adoption subplot (glad that was shelved), and the bit of preachiness on the having his story told and retold and retold...

 

[The Vale]

never mind

 

[Karnath]

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10050327/2/Alpha-and-Omega-Book-2-The-Fallen

 

[PCHeintz72]

Chapter 3 of 'Alpha and Omega Book 2 just came out...


Goes off to read.

 

[WizardOne]

Chapter 3 of 'Alpha and Omega Book 2 just came out...


Goes off to read.

I've read it.

So far... eh.

Its been three chapters of Shinji preaching and talking down to people. He's coming across as a total ass. Everyone else is getting handed the stupid ball so that he can show off.

Ritsuko giving animal tranquilisers to an alien? Really?

See, the author wants me to be horrified that she'd be that dumb, so that Shinji can preach at her and save the day, but really, I'm horrified that she's being portrayed as a complete and utter gibbering moron.

Basically, it reads like bashing. And then at the end, he kills his way through the security forces to get access to the omnitool... Why didn't he just say 'I need that tool to save her life.'

Its not like wille WANT her to die? He's supposedly a diplomat/consort by the end of the previous installment... but where the hell is the diplomacy?

TLDR: Three chapters of Wille getting bashed and shinji showing off his amazing skills and space technology while acting like a complete and utter douchebag (not that wille is any better).
It genuinely reads like the old Naruto bashfics, where Naruto would just start suddenly being 'cool' and 'edgy' and then would tell the rest of team 7 off for... whatever the author didn't like about them.
Anyway, Ugh.

I quite liked the previous installment of the series, but so far, this one has left me much less than enthralled.

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

I lost intrest around when Misato became the ship's AI and just gave up after Shinji accidentally proposed.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Chapter 3 of 'Alpha and Omega Book 2 just came out...


Goes off to read.

I've read it.

So far... eh.

Its been three chapters of Shinji preaching and talking down to people. He's coming across as a total ass. Everyone else is getting handed the stupid ball so that he can show off.

Ritsuko giving animal tranquilisers to an alien? Really?

See, the author wants me to be horrified that she'd be that dumb, so that Shinji can preach at her and save the day, but really, I'm horrified that she's being portrayed as a complete and utter gibbering moron.

Basically, it reads like bashing. And then at the end, he kills his way through the security forces to get access to the omnitool... Why didn't he just say 'I need that tool to save her life.'

Its not like wille WANT her to die? He's supposedly a diplomat/consort by the end of the previous installment... but where the hell is the diplomacy?

TLDR: Three chapters of Wille getting bashed and shinji showing off his amazing skills and space technology while acting like a complete and utter douchebag (not that wille is any better).
It genuinely reads like the old Naruto bashfics, where Naruto would just start suddenly being 'cool' and 'edgy' and then would tell the rest of team 7 off for... whatever the author didn't like about them.
Anyway, Ugh.

I quite liked the previous installment of the series, but so far, this one has left me much less than enthralled.

Meh... I suppose it depends on your take of what is occurring. So, I really really dislike the NGE reboot (even if the graphics are better). The problem I while I always thought Misato too kind to be as manipulative as she was in the original TV series, the new reboot pretty much took it too far the opposite direction, she is not at all even remotely likeable to me. And Shinji has plenty of unresolved issues with his versions of these people.

If this bashes Willie... in canon reboot Willie bashes Shinji. Seriously, blaming Shinji, when he had no knowledge of what was going to occur, they did not try to contact him or anything, and his actions are at least in part because Nerv decided to leave the pilots in the dark about pretty much everything.

I just wonder a few things (in no real particular order):

1. What Misato / Ritsuko will do now...

2. What Aria will do once told of the events here

3. What this Shinij will do upon meeting his counterpart and Asuka.

4. What this Shinji will do upon learning Unit 01 taken.

5. What Tevos will do upon waking and learning what was done to her

6. What Tevos's guards will do upon learning same.

I imagine upon the end of this arc Nerv, Seelie, nor Willie will be in any position to do harm to anyone ever again.

 

[AlchLoki]

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Chapter 3 of 'Alpha and Omega Book 2 just came out...


Goes off to read.

I've read it.

So far... eh.

Its been three chapters of Shinji preaching and talking down to people. He's coming across as a total ass. Everyone else is getting handed the stupid ball so that he can show off.

Ritsuko giving animal tranquilisers to an alien? Really?

See, the author wants me to be horrified that she'd be that dumb, so that Shinji can preach at her and save the day, but really, I'm horrified that she's being portrayed as a complete and utter gibbering moron.

Basically, it reads like bashing. And then at the end, he kills his way through the security forces to get access to the omnitool... Why didn't he just say 'I need that tool to save her life.'

Its not like wille WANT her to die? He's supposedly a diplomat/consort by the end of the previous installment... but where the hell is the diplomacy?

TLDR: Three chapters of Wille getting bashed and shinji showing off his amazing skills and space technology while acting like a complete and utter douchebag (not that wille is any better).
It genuinely reads like the old Naruto bashfics, where Naruto would just start suddenly being 'cool' and 'edgy' and then would tell the rest of team 7 off for... whatever the author didn't like about them.
Anyway, Ugh.

I quite liked the previous installment of the series, but so far, this one has left me much less than enthralled.

I am also a hater of bash fics ,but I don't think that was Shinji was doing. Xed even says that Shinji wasn't saying what he said just to cause damage ,but to get himself in a position to get what he needed. I see it more as Psychological warfare because he understands that he isn't in a real position of power at all and He can't trust WILLE yet.When you're desperate u use whatever weapons you can to to put yourself in a comfortable position.

As for Akagi I think she was more desperate than stupid to give Tevos an animal Tranquilizer. They had no clue What kind of person she was nor did they know if she was hostile or not. According to Akagi Tevos was waking up too fast for the doctors to come up with a way to keep her under long enough to have a completely controlled environment.

 

[WizardOne]

Meh... I suppose it depends on your take of what is occurring. So, I really really dislike the NGE reboot (even if the graphics are better). The problem I while I always thought Misato too kind to be as manipulative as she was in the original TV series, the new reboot pretty much took it too far the opposite direction, she is not at all even remotely likeable to me. And Shinji has plenty of unresolved issues with his versions of these people.

If this bashes Willie... in canon reboot Willie bashes Shinji. Seriously, blaming Shinji, when he had no knowledge of what was going to occur, they did not try to contact him or anything, and his actions are at least in part because Nerv decided to leave the pilots in the dark about pretty much everything.

Oh don't get me wrong. Wille are hypocrite whores of the absolute maimum possible tier in 3.33.

They could have avoided so many problems by not being unreasonable idiots.

But Shinji was hardly blameless.

This sums up my opinion of 3.33:

The problem is, 3.33 was bad for the entire cast. Asuka was a bitch, Shinji was an idiot, Misato was a bitch... Ritsuko had a bit part... but rather than improving upon a problem, the author has taken their already shaky and characterisation and made it WORSE.

I do not want to read about the utterly incompetent military organisation who gets their shit wrecked by a single man with no extra technlogy or powers used, while he preaches at them about his moral superiority. So yes, even if they're unsympathetic characters, its bashing. Yes, they were really not very likable in 3.33, but its been flanderised in A&O, its been made WORSE. Okay. I can deal with this, what I CAN'T deal with is shinji suddenly deciding 'fuck diplomacy, I can murderhobo my way through their security'. At no point does he make even the SLIGHTEST effort to be diplomatic, he treats them like enemies right from the start.

Basically, I can REALLY see the authors opinions of the characters in 3.33 showing through in the work, to the point where its almost offensive.

And he's done the opposite to Asuka. She showed not the slightest sign of remorse in 3.33, but at the start of this, she's really apologetic and feels bad for being horrible to Shinji in 3.33... why? Where did this come from?

Its very clear that the Wille crew will be killed or left behind on earth as Aria comes to rescue Shinji, allowing the author some cathartic revenge for 3.33 on them. But I suspect Asuka is coming with him, simply because she's the only character so far who the author is portraying as sympathetic, or at least not a horrible bitch.

Its just... ugh. Its bashing. They're not just even bigger bitches than in 3.33, they're ALSO incompetent, and Shinji is this moral paragon (despite murder being his go-to option) who rants and preaches at them. (The rant about Tevos being a diplomat for a thousand years was really well done and quite poignant, but undermined by the other issues.)

It reads EXACTLY like the old Sasuke and Sakura bashfics that used to fill the Naruto fandom to the brim, and so far I expect that the primary reasoning for this whole story arc is just to pick up Asuka (and possibly Rei) and let shinji show off his new skills and new girlfriend to Wille, before heading back to the mass effect universe. Possibly after glassing what remains of Nerv's forces.

 

[shiki]

Personally, I liked the third movie. It was perfect for what it was supposed to do and it captured the feel what happened in the original anime with a new spin. It was supposed to be depressing and flailing. The movie wasn't good but it does what it is supposed to. It captures what happens during that arc and dialed it up.

The whole "lost" Shinji that doesn't know what to do anymore after the dummy system and Touji(and third impact in the movies). The emotional distance between him and everyone else after being absorbed. Misato changing and pulling away after learning the truth of NERV. Akagi being a bitchy shrew. Asuka not being emotionally or physically available for support because of her own issues. Clinging to Kaoru with homoerotic music loving because he is starved for attention after being spurned by what he thinks is Rei II. Screwing up everything in the end and killing off Kaoru.

Honestly, the next movie is the only one that will go into new territory because it has to have a different ending. You can't have the chair scene and you can't do the whole Third Impact again... so it is a toss up. Plus there is likely a new Hikaru Utada insert song for the last film.

Plus Wiz1, you is exaggerating. The fic works as is and isn't a bash fic at all because in the situation that there were in, it is completely plausible that all the things that you have gripes on in the context of the story. Diplomacy wouldn't be an option for some one that will soon crash from stimulant abuse and when an ally is literally dying. He was willing to play along until he found that out. Asuka already was softening up in the movies near the end so it isn't like it was from nowhere like you are suggesting. As for incompetence on the Wille, that is pretty much canon. Akagi is Akagi. You might have an argument on that one because it wasn't done that well but she, in canon, is willing to mess with things that she doesn't have full knowledge of in order to fulfill her ambitions. Even the whole tranq'ing of an Alien isn't too out there in the context of the story. They have been fighting alien lifeforms for a LONG time.

Even Misato being of two mind about killing off Shinji even being proded by Ritsuko works because that actually happened. I doubt the Asuka claim and it just seems like you are jumping the gun on that.

Bash fics twist characters to what they aren't and magnifies bad characteristics to obscenely stupid levels. Fics that explore the less positive facets of canon personalities aren't bash fics unless done outlandishly and requires mental gymnastics.

Just call a spade a spade and say that you don't like the direction that the fic is going. No shame in not liking it but there is shame in unfairly mis-categorizing just because you don't like it.

For example: I don't like In Flight and where it went but I'm not going to call it a bash fic of Sekirei. What you are doing is the equivalent to saying that it would be.

 

[WizardOne]

Just call a spade a spade and say that you don't like the direction that the fic is going. No shame in not liking it but there is shame in unfairly mis-categorizing just because you don't like it.

I have done so. I'm calling it a bashfic.
One group is demonstrably incompetent and antagonistic, to the point where their original characters have been flanderised. Yes, the 3.33 cast were bitter and tired and not very nice. Bu Misato literally could not make herself kill Shinji, even when she knew it might cause the end of the world. She had no such qualms here.

The other is amazing and morally superior, ranting and preaching and generally defeating the previous group in every way, shape and form.
He's physically their superior, mentally their superior, and morally their superior. And he spends a GREAT deal of time telling both us as the readers, and them as the characters why this is so.

Unconvincingly I might add. These are exactly the characteristics which define bashfics.

I return your argument to you. You're welcome to enjoy the work, but call a spade a spade.

If this was a naruto fanfic, where the author had changed Naruto's character so that he was super competent, and he spent several chapters preaching at team 7 and telling them how pathetic they are and how Sakura is a Harridan and Sasuke is an angsty emo kid, and beat them up in spars all the time, no one would even pretend to defend it. Its doing the exact same things.

 

[FinalMax]

In short, I may have been wise to avoid even the first fic. Since I have had no interest in Mass Effect and many other "action movie sci-fi" franchises, I found no reason to even look at the cross with Evangelion. All descriptions so far indicate substantial "action movie sci-fi" bleed into Shinji, which is personally unacceptable. Comparisons to standard issue Naruto bashfics also don't help, but typically considered a minor point. I've noticed most fandoms just hate their franchises anymore. Take a look at the now ever increasing number of bashfics in the Love Hina section of FF.net for an example.

 

[shiki]

To Wiz:
Just like you are making assumptions about the fic in the set up phase, you have made a wrong one about me. I only said I like the 3rd rebuild movie, I never said anything about my enjoyment of the fic. Honestly, I don't really like the fic but I am going to be fair about my judgement on it. I have my own issues with it but I'm not going to say it is a bash fic as of yet for the above reasons that I have already stated. But it boils down to this, fics writers can develop and expand on less positive characteristic of characters and it wouldn't be a bash fic unless it is done in an obscene manner.

Misato did have issues with doing anything against Shinji so "no qualms" isn't right at all. As for the moralizing, there was one scene about it when he woke and it was mostly done as a distraction rather than for the sake of bitching about things. Context is important and all of it works in context. He isn't physically superior(doped up on drugs and injured; only survived because of tech; although he is deliberately holding the angel stuff back), mentally(he didn't choose the optimal solution because if his characteristic idiocy and doped up on drugs coupled with exhaustion), or morally(he killed a bunch of guys for no real reason except to make a point, it was already stated that the slugs did no damage to his shields. Likely because he is tired as hell and hasn't had food or rest) superior at all. That last scene where he killed all the soldiers? Yeah, not really the sign of great morality and there better be a scene later where there are repercussions. You might have point if there aren't any but as of the last chapter written, it isn't. I am going to say again CONTEXT is important. The last few chapters pretty much boil down to everyone, Shinji included, doing wrong things for relatively reasonable reasons with limited information while under stress.

You are just jumping the gun. This is a super shinji fic. That much is true but it isn't a bash fic as of the last chapter.

No idea why you keep using Naruto as an example because it isn't the same at all considering. This is a sequel to another fic where events, character and setting have already been established so it isn't a sudden change of character and there haven't been several chapters of preaching. The clashes and conflicts will probably have plot importance later and sets up future conflicts. A more accurate comparison would be a future fic that has a Sealed Naruto developed in another fic based on the end of the series waking up in an interrogation room of an alternate future reality with major divergences being questioned by Hokage Kakashi and a jaded Obito that came back to Konoha while probing the situation using intentional inflammatory questions to provoke reactions in order to find out the status of his friend, escaping and taking over the building by force and defeating mooks during the chaos in a rush to save his friend because they mistakenly used an incompatible seal on he/she/it.

To Final:
Yeah, it is a crossover fic that does use common tropes from the scifi shows. It isn't a hatedom fic although the story really isn't that coherent at this point. It just seem that things happen, shit blows up, stranded, working out where he/they are at, lull, shit happens, shit blows up and repeat is the formula right now. It isn't a character driven psychological deconstruction if that is what you are looking for, it is pretty much a summer movie in fic form.

 

[Fellgrave]

Alright people, I think it's time to let this go and agree to disagree. I will agree that the sequel hasn't really grabbed my interest compared to the first fic though.

Back on topic, though a bit late, Wandering Pilot by Mercaba updated a couple days ago for those who might have missed it.

Edit, link removed.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Back on topic, though a bit late, Wandering Pilot [link redacted due to content] by Mercaba updated a couple days ago for those who might have missed it.

That though is more for the restricted section... rather than here...

Hmmm... not really too much that I bother to track in NGE updated recently.

'Neon Genesis Evangelion Altered Destinies' by shanejayell updated on the 14th... now at 33 chapters.

'Evolution Shinji' by MichaelCross updated on the 13th... at 21 chapters, but most do not seem to like it.

'Adrift' by Archdruid-Sephiroth is one to straddle the border as to which it belongs in... at 9 chapters, and a note the prior ones were updated. That updated on the 18th, but be warned of graphic content.

Most of the rest that updated in the last 10 days I do not track for one reason or another, or are not for this section. '

 

[l3fty]

Personally, I find the sequel of Alpha and Omega to be rather good.

Both sides were high strung from their own situations, and it kept escalating with both sides not standing down.

The whole, talk first, seduce second, shootout third sequence was fun, and makes him a space James Bond essentially, just with insecurities and issues.

 

[BukkakeNoJutsu]

3.33 was rage inducing with everyone derping about. I like xed alpha's space adventure, I find it entertaining that canon shinji's going to meet his alternate space pirate future self.

 

[l3fty]

Watched something that had Eva 3.33 music in it, went to the awesome opening scene, and then through the awakening parts.

Xed pretty much took the starting scene of Misato telling off Shinji and turned it around, hard.

5th chapter should roll out tonight hopefully.

 

[shiki]

Hmm. The fic is starting to teeter. Bit too much (or too little to make an emphasis on Shinji being really, really damaged and messed up) there for the first half especially because Shinji is a huge hypocrite AND he deflected guilt rather than internalizing it.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Hmm. The fic is starting to teeter. Bit too much (or too little to make an emphasis on Shinji being really, really damaged and messed up) there for the first half especially because Shinji is a huge hypocrite AND he deflected guilt rather than internalizing it.

Meh... it does not change he was right.

A bit off putting is Aria seeing that scene... a little bit too coincidental for my tastes. It also means she is going to stir up the wrong hornets nest. Gendo needs to be the first target now tat he is known to have the other Unit 01.

 

[shiki]

Still doesn't absolve him of all the wrong doing. The things that he blamed Misato for are all thing that he committed as well.

It just comes off badly because there was a small scene showing guilt and reflection that was pushed back for shower games leading to the meeting with the guilt tripping. If the intention was to show that Shinji is unhinged then there needs a better transition to it because the shower thing was out of place otherwise it is just sophistry.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Still doesn't absolve him of all the wrong doing. The things that he blamed Misato for are all thing that he committed as well.

It just comes off badly because there was a small scene showing guilt and reflection that was pushed back for shower games leading to the meeting with the guilt tripping. If the intention was to show that Shinji is unhinged then there needs a better transition to it because the shower thing was out of place otherwise it is just sophistry.

I did not think it makes Shinji unhinged to have or show guilt, and only a idiot shows that kind of breakdown or hints of it in front of an enemy.

I would actually have thought him out of character if he had no such breakdown... remember, this Shinji even had one after lkilling those three assasins sent after him in the first arc.

Keep in mind though, that does not mean I don't have some reservations myself about that last chapter. But I mostly found it ok.

 

[shiki]

Never said anything about a breakdown, that is just going too far in the opposite direction. People can show remorse for loss of life even under desperate situations.

Regardless of intent, by having that small scene in the first place and going with post-trauma coitus, it skews it that way so that a reader expects some form of catharsis. I mean the shower scene could arguably be that except the scene is played for laughs and Shinji goes defensive while shoving the blame toward Misato bullishly. It just reeks of instability and guilt so all that verbal abuse seems like word play. Shinji just came off like a whinging child being scolded before bouncing back to being reserved and back again to base introspective Shinji.

Additionally, I argue that it would be entirely within character for him to feel more responsibility than he did because of previous development rather than it being out of character. It just seems that while Wiz was jumping the gun, he wasn't completely in the wrong. It wasn't bashfic when I wrote my defense of the fic but... I wouldn't argue too hard now because could arguably be labeled as such now due to all the moralizing.

SuperMC fics tend to crash and burn hard once it starts to falter under its own weight.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Well... moving on.

Another NGE story updated that I've been waiting for. 'Unbroken' by Donderkind is now up to 14 chapters.

 

[xedalpha]

*peeks up* okay, I'll address this, if only so this stops horribly hogging this thread.

Yes, Shinji is going through massive sways of emotional instability, which Tevos sensed and was trying to offer some solace and stabilization in the shower thing (Yes I played it for laughs for levity's sake after, because it's still a ME crossover, has to retain a tone of fun) but he reverted back hard when Misato brought it up, showing that he was still 'tender', for lack of a better word and his emotions were still bouncing all over the place. Basically, I wanted to show that this version, having gone through instrumentality etc. no longer internalizes his emotional issues and lets them consume him because he knows what that turns him into (see little Shinji for reference), he was unstable because he lost his world and no matter how headsure you are, you're going to overcompensate and throw up defense mechanisms no matter what. Basically that was just him rationalizing what happened so it doesn't destroy him while admitting, yes, he does feel BAD about it because people did indeed die and they didn't have to, but he also understands he didn't want it that way and tried his best to avert it, yet still felt forced into doing it so demanded answers.
I also wanted Misato to show similar feelings and admissions of liability so they could both reach some agreement and reach consensus that what happened was literally a terrible tragedy for all parts involved and move forward hence showing development (more of that comes later, but spoilers, and it may seem harsher still for a bit but bare with me). Heck, I even tried showing Ritsuko (who at 3.33 at this point effectively screamed at Misato to detonate the DSS choker) just so she could show some growth too, she chose not to kill Shinji despite him being an Angel and admitted fault herself several times. I'm honestly not trying to bash any characters that for over a decade I've come to genuinely enjoy, this story from day 1 has really just been all about the fun: Shinji ends up in Mass Effect's universe, has a romping space adventure, there's fun, some drama, romance and laughs.

I do admit continuing the story in the Rebuildverse might hold controversy, especially since we still don't officially know where Anno is taking it and everyone's simmering feelings towards it, but I am trying to remain fair and not bash characters I've come to hold dear. This is basically a VERY unfortunate sequence of events compounding themselves, and hell yes, WILLE is the wrong nest for Aria to be stirring, but she doesn't know that, and all that still has to be resolved, but that will indeed take time and many chapters, and I just hope you bare with me until then.

Okay. Until then, chill, relax and enjoy the story. And please remember, it was all written in the spirit of good fun to begin with.