Harry Potter [Harry Potter]Miscellaneous ideas topic.
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Hogwarts is an enormous castle, with many rooms and wings that haven't been used in decades, if not centuries. The intrepid explorer is certain to find corners and niches here with odd bits and pieces, such as the stowaway bookshelf of a long-forgotten Ravenclaw, who left many of his notes and journals for other curious adventurers to find.
A minor modification of the idea could be just some "Lucius Malfoy"-esque individual happening to be in the vicinity of Ollivander's while the Grangers are buying Hermione her wand, and deciding on a whim to confound Garrick into selling them one that's poorly-suited for the "obvious Mudblood." And seeing as it wouldn't be a hand-me-down like Ron's and Neville's first wands, without something like a wand-weighing ceremony it could take some time to for the sabotage to be discovered.
That way you can still have the plot, while having the cause of the initial change to canon being external to the character, rather than internal. Otherwise you'd probably have a lot of prospective readers dropping the story or making accusations of bashing.
That way you can still have the plot, while having the cause of the initial change to canon being external to the character, rather than internal. Otherwise you'd probably have a lot of prospective readers dropping the story or making accusations of bashing.
Crack idea here.
It came to me when I decided to see if the 'Smooth Criminal' I heard at work was the one MJ did or not. (Ftw, it wasn't. It was the Alien Ant Farm one.) Watched the video on Youtube, recognized that the outfit was the one used in the 'Moonwalker' video game. And remembered that the hat in there was 'magic' or something. Then a stray thought came to mind.
Maybe Harry could have used that hat during the first task in the TWT.
So, it devolved into Harry singing and dancing to various Michael Jackson songs of the 80s to get through the Tournament, ending with 'Thriller' in the graveyard scene. (Zombies included.)
Thought it might be a stupid idea until I realized that wizards probably didn't even care about non-wizarding music, and that Voldie spent that entire time in hiding. And then I put Peter in the girl's place in 'Thriller'.
It came to me when I decided to see if the 'Smooth Criminal' I heard at work was the one MJ did or not. (Ftw, it wasn't. It was the Alien Ant Farm one.) Watched the video on Youtube, recognized that the outfit was the one used in the 'Moonwalker' video game. And remembered that the hat in there was 'magic' or something. Then a stray thought came to mind.
Maybe Harry could have used that hat during the first task in the TWT.
So, it devolved into Harry singing and dancing to various Michael Jackson songs of the 80s to get through the Tournament, ending with 'Thriller' in the graveyard scene. (Zombies included.)
Thought it might be a stupid idea until I realized that wizards probably didn't even care about non-wizarding music, and that Voldie spent that entire time in hiding. And then I put Peter in the girl's place in 'Thriller'.
The issue with that is it doesn't have to make Hermione deal with being average. She's been sabotaged from the beginning, which would invalidate a large amount of her inner turmoil at not being the best and serve to teach her that her failures weren't her fault.
Plus, knowing her, one of the first thinsg she'll do when she can't do magic properly is run to an adult and say that something must be wrong. It's not like she's an idiot right? She's always been top of her class, so there must be some mistake. At least one of them is likely to humor her and find out about it.
If that doesn't happen, it would likely end up with Super!Hermione, since she spent all that extra time working at being just good enough.
What in the world gave you that impression?
The reason I don't want it to be a pureblood conspiracy is because either it serves exactly the same purpose (in which case why bother adding a conspiracy against all muggleborns,) it becomes about the conspiracy against muggleborns, which isn't what I was aiming for,) or the conspiracy is eventually unveiled, making you wonder why Hermione had to go through all that character development in the first place, and now you have Super!Hermione that has the best of both worlds.
It just seems an unnecessary aspect to add to this idea.
Now, could that be an interesting story? Of course it could! I could see Lucius manipulating it so the muggleborn all start to be less and less skilled, taking more time to master spells, until it reaches the point where they wonder why they bother accepting them in the first place? They're terrible at magic! It would make for an interesting read, and if you want to write harry Potter and the Mudblood Conspiracy, more power to you, it's just not what I want this idea to be about.
What i want is a story that focuses on Hermione when she has to deal with not being what she expects of herself. I want to see her struggle, because struggle is what makes for a good story
And I want to see her make a choice. Is she going to accept that she's never going to be as good as everyone else and fade into the background? Is she going to spit in the face of everyone who says she can't do it and spend hour after hour until she gets it down perfectly? Is she going to isolate herself, working on her own so she doesn't have to see the looks of scorn or pity? Is she going to focus on her strengths and accept her weaknesses? Will she give up on magic and return to the muggle world? Is she going to find shortcuts and workarounds to close the gap? Is she going to find allies to cover her weaknesses, while she does the same for them?
Above all, regardless of the path she takes, I want to see her come out as a stronger person because of it. Not necessarily a better person, since there were suggestions of her going Half Blood Prince and hoarding her tricks and techniques to close the gap, but stronger. She understands that not everything is going to come easily to her, that there are things that are simply beyond her, and she learns to adapt and adjust to those limitation, becoming a stronger witch because she's learned there is more than one way to reach your goal.
This isn't meant to bash or degrade Hermione. This is about changing her situation, and seeing how she adapts to it. It's supposed to be a Hermioen-centric character development story, not Canon-But-Hermione-Sucks.
The reason I don't want it to be a pureblood conspiracy is because either it serves exactly the same purpose (in which case why bother adding a conspiracy against all muggleborns,) it becomes about the conspiracy against muggleborns, which isn't what I was aiming for,) or the conspiracy is eventually unveiled, making you wonder why Hermione had to go through all that character development in the first place, and now you have Super!Hermione that has the best of both worlds.
It just seems an unnecessary aspect to add to this idea.
Now, could that be an interesting story? Of course it could! I could see Lucius manipulating it so the muggleborn all start to be less and less skilled, taking more time to master spells, until it reaches the point where they wonder why they bother accepting them in the first place? They're terrible at magic! It would make for an interesting read, and if you want to write harry Potter and the Mudblood Conspiracy, more power to you, it's just not what I want this idea to be about.
What i want is a story that focuses on Hermione when she has to deal with not being what she expects of herself. I want to see her struggle, because struggle is what makes for a good story
And I want to see her make a choice. Is she going to accept that she's never going to be as good as everyone else and fade into the background? Is she going to spit in the face of everyone who says she can't do it and spend hour after hour until she gets it down perfectly? Is she going to isolate herself, working on her own so she doesn't have to see the looks of scorn or pity? Is she going to focus on her strengths and accept her weaknesses? Will she give up on magic and return to the muggle world? Is she going to find shortcuts and workarounds to close the gap? Is she going to find allies to cover her weaknesses, while she does the same for them?
Above all, regardless of the path she takes, I want to see her come out as a stronger person because of it. Not necessarily a better person, since there were suggestions of her going Half Blood Prince and hoarding her tricks and techniques to close the gap, but stronger. She understands that not everything is going to come easily to her, that there are things that are simply beyond her, and she learns to adapt and adjust to those limitation, becoming a stronger witch because she's learned there is more than one way to reach your goal.
This isn't meant to bash or degrade Hermione. This is about changing her situation, and seeing how she adapts to it. It's supposed to be a Hermioen-centric character development story, not Canon-But-Hermione-Sucks.
This one is a crossover, but probably fits here a bit more than the Idea thread for the other series.
In the late 1990s, a number of seers give out prophecies of great disaster (particularly annoying to Harry, because he just witnessed Voldemort's death yesterday, and now Trelawney says there's some mad conspiracy to end the world). Studying these prophecies leads the Unspeakables and a few others to Antarctica, where they encounter a Japanese-lead expedition of muggle scientists that have uncovered a bizarre-looking, unusually large sleeping giant, and are getting ready to poke it with a stick, completely ignoring the lesson they should have learned a bit over fifty years earlier. Naturally, they Obliviate and False Memory Charm all the muggles and send them home, yoink the gigantic bident, rebury the sleeping giant, and hide it with various charms, possibly including a Fidelous.
Elsewhere, SEELE has deduced that there's another conspiracy out there, this one with very sophisticated memory modification technology, and they appear to have taken the First Messenger. Clearly, they want to be the ones who set off Instrumentality, to become gods themselves! This is completely unacceptable to the Committee, and so, while doubling down on paranoid security, they make various attempts to draw this other conspiracy out, always through disposable intermediaries (who are frequently disposed of, once they've given the orders to the actual patsies). Generally, it doesn't work, or just results in more agents getting their memories erased. Meanwhile, their servants, witting and otherwise, continue studying the Messenger they do have, in the geofront under Hakone.
The Unspeakables and their allies, on the other hand, are looking for a magical conspiracy manipulating and killing these poor muggles, along with studying the bident, and other things taken from the geofront in Antarctica. Thus the shadow war goes on, each side mostly missing the other.
Around 2005, the Old Men, growing impatient (and deeply concerned and confused as to why the other conspiracy hasn't set off Second Impact already), decide to set it off themselves, using the Second Messenger, and hope for the best. Thus, they evacuate the base under Hakone, taking with them a number of samples, proto-Evangelions, and so forth, leaving behind only the large numbers of more disposable personnel, and numerous innocents in Hakone, along with a large number of hidden cameras of various types (though they don't know it, the only ones that will be of any use are not on-site, but looking through miles and miles of optical fiber).
Of course, they don't have the lance, and they may not know quite how to use Lilith to set off Second Impact. If it fails, completely, they've killed or severely Lilith for no gain, and will start getting even more desperate. If it's partially successful, destroying only the Hakone area (where no magicals live at the time), it won't count as Second Impact (the Dead Sea Scrolls are pretty clear on the level of devastation involved), but it will distract their adversaries, because the number of muggleborns born afterwards will increase a thousand-fold (I would guess that would include the younger sisters of both Touji and Hikari). The other option might be more interesting:
If it would have set off Second Impact, there would once again be prophecies, Unspeakables and others would invade the Hakone geofront, and they'd be a lot more thorough in questioning the patsies, before changing their memories, and hiding this geofront, as well. This would also cause them to take a close look at the science of metaphysical biology, and realize that the Conspiracy of the Soul they're hunting has been having muggles scientifically investigate magic, and they're making progress. This is a massive threat to the Statute of Secrecy, and thus they're able to draw in more resources, from several ministries. Everyone researching metaphysical biology must be interrogated, obliviated, and disdredited, and all records destroyed or heavily modified.
SEELE, meanwhile, observes the recordings from the only cameras that did record anything, the ones at the ends of optical cables that several had thought were a waste of money (SEELE 7 gets to be smug at them), witnessing strange people in robes showing up in areas they shouldn't have been able to get to (by sheer luck none of them apparated or disapparated in front of any of those cameras), mind controlling people, and waving around sticks that are probably just props. Clearly, these people are far ahead in the field of metaphysical biology, a theory that seems confirmed when scientists studying in that field suddenly lose funding, or otherwise suffer various attacks, if SEELE doesn't hide them, first. Within a year, the only people working on MPB are the ones SEELE has in hiding. Of course, this isn't over. SEELE won't allow that...
Thoughts?
If enough people wish, I'll crosspost it to the NGE Ideas thread.
In the late 1990s, a number of seers give out prophecies of great disaster (particularly annoying to Harry, because he just witnessed Voldemort's death yesterday, and now Trelawney says there's some mad conspiracy to end the world). Studying these prophecies leads the Unspeakables and a few others to Antarctica, where they encounter a Japanese-lead expedition of muggle scientists that have uncovered a bizarre-looking, unusually large sleeping giant, and are getting ready to poke it with a stick, completely ignoring the lesson they should have learned a bit over fifty years earlier. Naturally, they Obliviate and False Memory Charm all the muggles and send them home, yoink the gigantic bident, rebury the sleeping giant, and hide it with various charms, possibly including a Fidelous.
Elsewhere, SEELE has deduced that there's another conspiracy out there, this one with very sophisticated memory modification technology, and they appear to have taken the First Messenger. Clearly, they want to be the ones who set off Instrumentality, to become gods themselves! This is completely unacceptable to the Committee, and so, while doubling down on paranoid security, they make various attempts to draw this other conspiracy out, always through disposable intermediaries (who are frequently disposed of, once they've given the orders to the actual patsies). Generally, it doesn't work, or just results in more agents getting their memories erased. Meanwhile, their servants, witting and otherwise, continue studying the Messenger they do have, in the geofront under Hakone.
The Unspeakables and their allies, on the other hand, are looking for a magical conspiracy manipulating and killing these poor muggles, along with studying the bident, and other things taken from the geofront in Antarctica. Thus the shadow war goes on, each side mostly missing the other.
Around 2005, the Old Men, growing impatient (and deeply concerned and confused as to why the other conspiracy hasn't set off Second Impact already), decide to set it off themselves, using the Second Messenger, and hope for the best. Thus, they evacuate the base under Hakone, taking with them a number of samples, proto-Evangelions, and so forth, leaving behind only the large numbers of more disposable personnel, and numerous innocents in Hakone, along with a large number of hidden cameras of various types (though they don't know it, the only ones that will be of any use are not on-site, but looking through miles and miles of optical fiber).
Of course, they don't have the lance, and they may not know quite how to use Lilith to set off Second Impact. If it fails, completely, they've killed or severely Lilith for no gain, and will start getting even more desperate. If it's partially successful, destroying only the Hakone area (where no magicals live at the time), it won't count as Second Impact (the Dead Sea Scrolls are pretty clear on the level of devastation involved), but it will distract their adversaries, because the number of muggleborns born afterwards will increase a thousand-fold (I would guess that would include the younger sisters of both Touji and Hikari). The other option might be more interesting:
If it would have set off Second Impact, there would once again be prophecies, Unspeakables and others would invade the Hakone geofront, and they'd be a lot more thorough in questioning the patsies, before changing their memories, and hiding this geofront, as well. This would also cause them to take a close look at the science of metaphysical biology, and realize that the Conspiracy of the Soul they're hunting has been having muggles scientifically investigate magic, and they're making progress. This is a massive threat to the Statute of Secrecy, and thus they're able to draw in more resources, from several ministries. Everyone researching metaphysical biology must be interrogated, obliviated, and disdredited, and all records destroyed or heavily modified.
SEELE, meanwhile, observes the recordings from the only cameras that did record anything, the ones at the ends of optical cables that several had thought were a waste of money (SEELE 7 gets to be smug at them), witnessing strange people in robes showing up in areas they shouldn't have been able to get to (by sheer luck none of them apparated or disapparated in front of any of those cameras), mind controlling people, and waving around sticks that are probably just props. Clearly, these people are far ahead in the field of metaphysical biology, a theory that seems confirmed when scientists studying in that field suddenly lose funding, or otherwise suffer various attacks, if SEELE doesn't hide them, first. Within a year, the only people working on MPB are the ones SEELE has in hiding. Of course, this isn't over. SEELE won't allow that...
Thoughts?
If enough people wish, I'll crosspost it to the NGE Ideas thread.
From what I got, the idea is that thanks to a prophecy the Department of Mysteries stops Evangelion from happening, and NGE's secret council of doom thinks they are a second secret council of doom wanting to become gods.
Cue Unspeakables trying to keep magic secret and SEELE trying to cause the end of the world another way.
Cue Unspeakables trying to keep magic secret and SEELE trying to cause the end of the world another way.
Would you rather have a crossover between Harry Potter an Blackadder?
Dumbledore really doesn't want Umbridge to become DADA professor, and if he picks a pureblood who isn't a traditional supporter of his, Fudge is a lot less likely to even try to impose another Educational Decree to force that one out. So, he tricks Edmund Blackadder (Slytherin, class of 1973, and a distant cousin of Sirius) into taking the post. Professor Blackadder brings with him his house elf Baldrick, and a number of cunning plans to avoid being killed by the curse of the position (while also using the job to keep his creditors off his back).
If you care, I'm imagining Dumbledore being played by Stephen Fry, instead of Michael Gambon, in this one.)
Dumbledore really doesn't want Umbridge to become DADA professor, and if he picks a pureblood who isn't a traditional supporter of his, Fudge is a lot less likely to even try to impose another Educational Decree to force that one out. So, he tricks Edmund Blackadder (Slytherin, class of 1973, and a distant cousin of Sirius) into taking the post. Professor Blackadder brings with him his house elf Baldrick, and a number of cunning plans to avoid being killed by the curse of the position (while also using the job to keep his creditors off his back).
If you care, I'm imagining Dumbledore being played by Stephen Fry, instead of Michael Gambon, in this one.)
When watching The Magicians there were a couple of aspects that resonated as interesting.
1] The magic system in general, its more science based, but yet more diverse. Pair it with it being overall stronger with tangents to the fantastical... it leaves a lot of doors open, especially where death is concerned.
2] The idea that magical strength comes from suffering. Looking at Dumbledore, Snape, Voldemort, Harry, the same argument could be made for the HP world as well.
3] The expulsions. Prove yourself or get cast out. I think this would be a good way to pressure Hermione in the beginning and make Ron mature a bit faster. I love the idea of Neville's adventure starting out as a hedge wizard.
Mostly though I like the juxtaposition of Quentin and Harry's characters.
Not really an idea yet... More of a brainstorming.
1] The magic system in general, its more science based, but yet more diverse. Pair it with it being overall stronger with tangents to the fantastical... it leaves a lot of doors open, especially where death is concerned.
2] The idea that magical strength comes from suffering. Looking at Dumbledore, Snape, Voldemort, Harry, the same argument could be made for the HP world as well.
3] The expulsions. Prove yourself or get cast out. I think this would be a good way to pressure Hermione in the beginning and make Ron mature a bit faster. I love the idea of Neville's adventure starting out as a hedge wizard.
Mostly though I like the juxtaposition of Quentin and Harry's characters.
Not really an idea yet... More of a brainstorming.
I'll look into the show. Thanks!
On a different note, THIS is worth talking about - raising the minimum age of a magic wielder to 16 or at least, late teen. Perhaps it's just the HP fanfiction I read, but most of the time, I forget that he's barely 11 or 12 in the first year. It's something I ignore, but when someone brings it up - it's downright disturbing some of the relationships and dynamics that a child of that age group might even encounter - and the way some fanfictions go on, just disturbing.
I'm not saying some of it is bad, (I just handwave it aside). But there are a lot of fics which would make MUCH better sense if HP were a lot older at the start of the series. How could we do this? Allow Harry to finish his schooling in muggle-land but later, get an invite to Hogwarts, which is actually a University instead?
-chronodekar
On a different note, THIS is worth talking about - raising the minimum age of a magic wielder to 16 or at least, late teen. Perhaps it's just the HP fanfiction I read, but most of the time, I forget that he's barely 11 or 12 in the first year. It's something I ignore, but when someone brings it up - it's downright disturbing some of the relationships and dynamics that a child of that age group might even encounter - and the way some fanfictions go on, just disturbing.
I'm not saying some of it is bad, (I just handwave it aside). But there are a lot of fics which would make MUCH better sense if HP were a lot older at the start of the series. How could we do this? Allow Harry to finish his schooling in muggle-land but later, get an invite to Hogwarts, which is actually a University instead?
-chronodekar
A few completely random unrelated ideas?
1) Club Master Potter
- After a fortuitous invite to the Chess Club in the early part of Year 2, Harry Potter starts his prolific career joining & creating clubs. He becomes motivated after the Chess and Gobstones club sticks with him after he was accused of being a parseltongue. By the start of the fifth year Ron has become the President of the Chess Club, Hermione the President of the Modern Runes Club, Neville the President of the Arborist Union, and Harry the President of the Club Council.
2) Evolving Common Room
- Each year students get access to another area of the "Common Room" For instances in 2nd year you get access to the Balcony which lets you depart/arrive via Broom (also unlocked year 2), 3rd year you get access to Practical Practice rooms where you are able to cast spells out of class, 4th year you get access to a Game Room? 5th year library, 6th year private study areas, 7th year roof of tower... What they are doesn't matter but if we are going to go over year 1-7... Again... throwing in a bit of variety likes this would be nice.
3) At the end of the day someone else kills Voldemort. The prophecy was completely wrong from the get go. For irony sake have Voldemort trip on his own robe which Bellatrix just got tailored.
4) Make someone else the master of death and do nothing with it. Or make it Ron and have him go insane and have to be put down by an AK-47
5) A second year divergence with a Goblin War because of the break in that happened the previous summer. For shits and giggles have them capture Dumbledore pretty early.
6) A third year divergence with a Dementor War. Because why the fuck not?
7) A forth year divergence with the World Cup being bombed by the SAS. [Or ISIS]
8) A fifth year divergence where Voldemort raids the DoM a couple of weeks into the summer and takes control of the Ministry
9) A sixth year divergence where Fenrir revels completely against Voldemort causing a 3rd(4th?) side. For shits and giggles have Vampires declare allegiance to Snape despite him not being a vampire.
10) A seventh year divergence with completely different Horcrux's located in insane places. Put one on the moon, one in the Oval Office, one in North Korea... Have the adventures to get them fantastically difficult and marvelous to witness.
11) An epilogue divergence where Harry had committed suicide 7 years after the war (11 years previously) due to being constantly hounded. His only child which he didn't know about when he killed himself (thinking he was sterile, and Ginny hiding it the first 2 months as a 'surprise') is going to Hogwarts.
12) Slughorn, Snape, and Lily inventing a potion would be cool.
1) Club Master Potter
- After a fortuitous invite to the Chess Club in the early part of Year 2, Harry Potter starts his prolific career joining & creating clubs. He becomes motivated after the Chess and Gobstones club sticks with him after he was accused of being a parseltongue. By the start of the fifth year Ron has become the President of the Chess Club, Hermione the President of the Modern Runes Club, Neville the President of the Arborist Union, and Harry the President of the Club Council.
2) Evolving Common Room
- Each year students get access to another area of the "Common Room" For instances in 2nd year you get access to the Balcony which lets you depart/arrive via Broom (also unlocked year 2), 3rd year you get access to Practical Practice rooms where you are able to cast spells out of class, 4th year you get access to a Game Room? 5th year library, 6th year private study areas, 7th year roof of tower... What they are doesn't matter but if we are going to go over year 1-7... Again... throwing in a bit of variety likes this would be nice.
3) At the end of the day someone else kills Voldemort. The prophecy was completely wrong from the get go. For irony sake have Voldemort trip on his own robe which Bellatrix just got tailored.
4) Make someone else the master of death and do nothing with it. Or make it Ron and have him go insane and have to be put down by an AK-47
5) A second year divergence with a Goblin War because of the break in that happened the previous summer. For shits and giggles have them capture Dumbledore pretty early.
6) A third year divergence with a Dementor War. Because why the fuck not?
7) A forth year divergence with the World Cup being bombed by the SAS. [Or ISIS]
8) A fifth year divergence where Voldemort raids the DoM a couple of weeks into the summer and takes control of the Ministry
9) A sixth year divergence where Fenrir revels completely against Voldemort causing a 3rd(4th?) side. For shits and giggles have Vampires declare allegiance to Snape despite him not being a vampire.
10) A seventh year divergence with completely different Horcrux's located in insane places. Put one on the moon, one in the Oval Office, one in North Korea... Have the adventures to get them fantastically difficult and marvelous to witness.
11) An epilogue divergence where Harry had committed suicide 7 years after the war (11 years previously) due to being constantly hounded. His only child which he didn't know about when he killed himself (thinking he was sterile, and Ginny hiding it the first 2 months as a 'surprise') is going to Hogwarts.
12) Slughorn, Snape, and Lily inventing a potion would be cool.
1)Would probably be boring - maybe a oneshot?
2)Video game logic?
3)I think I've seen a fic where the prophecy didn't work
5)Or it could be an after-series Goblin War because of what Harry did
6)You'd need to invent a way to perma-kill Dementors, though
7)Lel
8)Voldemort with a brain is a big divergence.
9)Fuck no. Fenrir is about as likable as Umbridge, which means I would sooner have a second Voldemort (Horcrux) than this
10)Didn't Voldemort in Methods of Rationality put one on the Pioneer Plaque? It's a good idea, regardless
11)Fuck that. Maybe it's better if he ran away and hid himself away among Muggles in english-speaking Canada. Over a decade later, he gets a surprise when he finds out he's an (absentee) father, and the kid gets an even bigger one.
12)Snape hated Slughorn, I think. I don't mean the fanon thing, but the fact that Slughorn never considered him a talent and made Lily his protegee, which probably means that Snape hid his talent from the man religiously.
2)Video game logic?
3)I think I've seen a fic where the prophecy didn't work
5)Or it could be an after-series Goblin War because of what Harry did
6)You'd need to invent a way to perma-kill Dementors, though
7)Lel
8)Voldemort with a brain is a big divergence.
9)Fuck no. Fenrir is about as likable as Umbridge, which means I would sooner have a second Voldemort (Horcrux) than this
10)Didn't Voldemort in Methods of Rationality put one on the Pioneer Plaque? It's a good idea, regardless
11)Fuck that. Maybe it's better if he ran away and hid himself away among Muggles in english-speaking Canada. Over a decade later, he gets a surprise when he finds out he's an (absentee) father, and the kid gets an even bigger one.
12)Snape hated Slughorn, I think. I don't mean the fanon thing, but the fact that Slughorn never considered him a talent and made Lily his protegee, which probably means that Snape hid his talent from the man religiously.