Never thought the Killing Curse involved destroying the soul. Voldemort wouldn't have reverted to wraith form after the Killing Curse he directed at Harry backfired on him since it would have otherwise destroyed the portion of the soul remaining in his body. The reflected Killing Curse simply made Voldemort's body 'die' and the portion of his soul remaining was kept alive due to the horcruxes he had created before, that anchored him on Earth.
Harry Potter HP and the Gates Oblivion
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True, but not even the most powerful of spells in ES can't circumvent shield spells. How effective those shields are depends on how powerful the shield is vs how powerful the spell it's being put up against.
The Unforgivables bypass right through them as if they weren't there. I think it's speculation that perhaps the Killing Curse, the ultimate end all spell, might react differently in Mundus.
Seeing as Harry wasn't born in Mundus and the Killing Curse doesn't orginate there, there's a chance that the Killing Curse may circumvent all or some of the rules of Magic that govern Mundus.
I agree with Harry not being an active competitor, at least initially, in the Arena, that's why I suggested some sort of laborer.
Of course it doesn't have to be the Arena. The only problem is I doubt many shops would hire an outsider given the general medieval feel Tamriel has- everything is likely to be very apprentice/guild/family driven. The Arena would likely be the least picky place that would hire someone.
Perhaps Harry isn't aware of his language ability when he first reaches Tamriel until an Orc or some other race mentions that's he's speaking their native tongue and not the Empire Basic Language- kind of like Harry's Parseltongue ability (which just for shits and giggles I'll let him keep as well since he already has that ability).
The Unforgivables bypass right through them as if they weren't there. I think it's speculation that perhaps the Killing Curse, the ultimate end all spell, might react differently in Mundus.
Seeing as Harry wasn't born in Mundus and the Killing Curse doesn't orginate there, there's a chance that the Killing Curse may circumvent all or some of the rules of Magic that govern Mundus.
I agree with Harry not being an active competitor, at least initially, in the Arena, that's why I suggested some sort of laborer.
Of course it doesn't have to be the Arena. The only problem is I doubt many shops would hire an outsider given the general medieval feel Tamriel has- everything is likely to be very apprentice/guild/family driven. The Arena would likely be the least picky place that would hire someone.
Perhaps Harry isn't aware of his language ability when he first reaches Tamriel until an Orc or some other race mentions that's he's speaking their native tongue and not the Empire Basic Language- kind of like Harry's Parseltongue ability (which just for shits and giggles I'll let him keep as well since he already has that ability).
I read one explanation of the Killing Curse that I thought was interesting: essentially, it created a temporary soul out of magic, forced that into the target's body while at the same time displacing the soul, and then collapsed the magical construct. Because the body had no soul, it died, and since the soul had no body, it moved on to the afterlife.
In that case, I don't know if Arkay's Blessing would help.
And Harry might be able to get a job from one of the relatively newer shopkeepers around Tamriel (the only one I can remember off the top of my head is that Hlaalu girl in Skingrad-- the one who asks about the penalty for necrophilia-- but there's probably more). It all depends on who he endears himself to.
If nothing else, I bet the Black Horse Courier is always looking for paperboys...
In that case, I don't know if Arkay's Blessing would help.
And Harry might be able to get a job from one of the relatively newer shopkeepers around Tamriel (the only one I can remember off the top of my head is that Hlaalu girl in Skingrad-- the one who asks about the penalty for necrophilia-- but there's probably more). It all depends on who he endears himself to.
If nothing else, I bet the Black Horse Courier is always looking for paperboys...
Indeed. And lets not forget the limitations of the game itself. There are bound to be a lot more guilds than were included in the game itself.
Harry as a paperboy could work. He could also pass himself of as a low level apprentice wizard and act as a guard for the caravan that he was going to take on his way to Martin.
And as Robo Jesus mentioned if Harry is inventive enough he could make at least a fair bit of money by low powered enchantments etc. It just requires a more familiarity with the local branch of magic (aka the fact that his brand of enchantments is probably more easily applied if not as strong) enchanting clothes etc.
Harry as a paperboy could work. He could also pass himself of as a low level apprentice wizard and act as a guard for the caravan that he was going to take on his way to Martin.
And as Robo Jesus mentioned if Harry is inventive enough he could make at least a fair bit of money by low powered enchantments etc. It just requires a more familiarity with the local branch of magic (aka the fact that his brand of enchantments is probably more easily applied if not as strong) enchanting clothes etc.
Medieval Demographics Made Easy.
Actually, that link hints at some very interesting things in regards to the (original) nature and reason some of the larger cities would have come about in Tamriel. Anyways, I hope you guys find this both helpful and useful. ^_^
Actually, that link hints at some very interesting things in regards to the (original) nature and reason some of the larger cities would have come about in Tamriel. Anyways, I hope you guys find this both helpful and useful. ^_^
That's given to him before by the Emperor and Jauffre will fill in the blanks.
The cities, the Imperial City especially, are going to be far larger. However, major locations within each will still be the same. So no major Guild presences, other than the Arcane University within the Imperial City. That still leaves a lot of guild types not in the game like masons, blacksmiths, and merchants, etc.
At this point Harry doesn't even know Skingrad exists, let alone going there and getting a job.
The cities, the Imperial City especially, are going to be far larger. However, major locations within each will still be the same. So no major Guild presences, other than the Arcane University within the Imperial City. That still leaves a lot of guild types not in the game like masons, blacksmiths, and merchants, etc.
At this point Harry doesn't even know Skingrad exists, let alone going there and getting a job.
...hmm, you know, the Emperor and Jauffre could be an easy route to explain how Harry can get 'access' to Frostcrag Spire, if you wish to go that route. It would work as a fortified base of operations, free housing, and a place for Harry to experiment with little worry about hurting anyone else 'nearby' in the process. Of course the downside is that Harry would first have to walk all the way to it, which would probably follow with Harry doing everything he can to figure out how to Apparate so he never again has to talk up that damn mountain. 
Apparating was never really a problem for Harry, and we could probablly fudge canon timelines a bit to have him realize his first successful apparations before he popped up in Cyrodil.
It's not like there isn't teleportation in Mundus, so Apparation isn't a far stretch
If nothing else, Harry's "people saving thing" might lead him to help liberate Battlehorn Castle. It is close to Chorrol after all, and not that far out of the way. Frostcrag Spire is rather remote- though it would probablly suit Harry's interests a lot better.
It's not like there isn't teleportation in Mundus, so Apparation isn't a far stretch
If nothing else, Harry's "people saving thing" might lead him to help liberate Battlehorn Castle. It is close to Chorrol after all, and not that far out of the way. Frostcrag Spire is rather remote- though it would probablly suit Harry's interests a lot better.
However Frostcrag tower is IIRC a lot closer to the Blades mountain stronghold and with Apparating its not THAT out of Harry's way to be drawn there and back etc. Further as Robo Jesus mentioned its probably interesting for Harry BECAUSE of its remoteness aka experiment with high level spells without accidentally burning down one of the cities etc.
All true, but I doubt that anyone would fork over a huge tower with access to all the Mages Guilds in Cyrodil, just like that.
So if Harry is going to get Frostcrag, I think he'll have to get it by himself, somehow. It's not for sale anywhere, so buying it would have been out even if he'd had enough money. He could also find it by accident, though I can't really see that happen, even if no one else finds it before he does. Another option is Harry finding the dying owner of Frostcrag, who agrees to give Harry the tower if he makes a promise to avenge the guy or something.
There are a lot of options. :huh.:
And about the AK thing? I really doubt that it has anything to do with the soul, since Fake-Moody used it on a spider IIRC.
So if Harry is going to get Frostcrag, I think he'll have to get it by himself, somehow. It's not for sale anywhere, so buying it would have been out even if he'd had enough money. He could also find it by accident, though I can't really see that happen, even if no one else finds it before he does. Another option is Harry finding the dying owner of Frostcrag, who agrees to give Harry the tower if he makes a promise to avenge the guy or something.
There are a lot of options. :huh.:
And about the AK thing? I really doubt that it has anything to do with the soul, since Fake-Moody used it on a spider IIRC.
Dragonbreak.
Like I said in the other thread. You gotta love a universe that has built-in reality glitches that can flip anything and everything the finger.
It doesn't matter if it is or not. Dragonbreaks result in paradoxes all the time, and said paradoxes typically 'work out,' with all the mindfuck results one would expect from such a thing.
Most notably, a specific item was made to exist in about seventeen different places at once simultaneously, and made differences and caused effects in all of those places.
That's a paradox on so many levels that it would cause your mind to break if you thought about it for too long. But it still happened.
(Said Dragonbreak also, for reasons I cannot quite recall, changed how the elements work on a fundamental level. For a period of time, it was very possible to summon Steel Atronachs. This can no longer be done, though, as the Dragonbreak is over.)
Like I said in the other thread. You gotta love a universe that has built-in reality glitches that can flip anything and everything the finger.
It doesn't matter if it is or not. Dragonbreaks result in paradoxes all the time, and said paradoxes typically 'work out,' with all the mindfuck results one would expect from such a thing.
Most notably, a specific item was made to exist in about seventeen different places at once simultaneously, and made differences and caused effects in all of those places.
That's a paradox on so many levels that it would cause your mind to break if you thought about it for too long. But it still happened.
(Said Dragonbreak also, for reasons I cannot quite recall, changed how the elements work on a fundamental level. For a period of time, it was very possible to summon Steel Atronachs. This can no longer be done, though, as the Dragonbreak is over.)
My thoughts on Dragonbreak here are twofold. One, it can only take what is in its sphere of influence to take (meaning only people/places/objects inside its sphere of influence, such as alternate timelines based on the core universe. This for me means that a Dragonbreak couldn't pull Darth Vader into Nirn for instance unless Darth Vader was floating around in the void near the influence of Mundus itself). Two, there has not been an established event in order to create the Dragonbreak needed here.
Now, look back up at point one. If you're floating through the void, and you end up near one of the Daedric realms, you haven't broken TES canon. Following the events in TES IV, with Dagon fucking with the wards and such in order to bring them the fuck down permanently, it isn't a big leap for something 'near' the boundaries of the wards to be pulled through accidentally. It might stretch some aspects of TES canon, but it really doesn't break it.
Now, if there is an easier way for a Dragonbreak to have occured, I'm more than willing to go with that and help expand upon it, but the things needed for a Dragonbreak to occur here are such that I don't see it happening easily without introducing events into the situation that should have MAJOR influence of their own upon events.
Another issue that you never really got back to me on was whether or not miniature Dragonbreaks could be induced in the HP universe itself (such as an alternate version of Harry accidentally doing something with a Timeturner and that being the cause for why and how another version of Harry could end up here).
Now, look back up at point one. If you're floating through the void, and you end up near one of the Daedric realms, you haven't broken TES canon. Following the events in TES IV, with Dagon fucking with the wards and such in order to bring them the fuck down permanently, it isn't a big leap for something 'near' the boundaries of the wards to be pulled through accidentally. It might stretch some aspects of TES canon, but it really doesn't break it.
Now, if there is an easier way for a Dragonbreak to have occured, I'm more than willing to go with that and help expand upon it, but the things needed for a Dragonbreak to occur here are such that I don't see it happening easily without introducing events into the situation that should have MAJOR influence of their own upon events.
Another issue that you never really got back to me on was whether or not miniature Dragonbreaks could be induced in the HP universe itself (such as an alternate version of Harry accidentally doing something with a Timeturner and that being the cause for why and how another version of Harry could end up here).
A Dragonbreak occurs when a guardian of Time, Space, or Continuity dies or otherwise messes up.
In theory, there is no limit to what a Dragonbreak could potentially cause, because it can mess with continuity in addition to time and space.
It could, though Dragonbreaks. . . well, I shouldn't say that. After all, it may be impossible for TES mages, but time travel isn't impossible for HP wizards.
It could, but I don't think it's likely to happen. Not unless it creates a huge paradox or reality bork. I say that, because a Dragonbreak is referring to a specific event, which is the breaking of one of the great dragons that maintains reality.
Since timeturners don't affect them, I would not call a timeturner-related paradox a Dragonbreak. Not unless it was a huge paradox. One that somehow caused a cascade failure that resulted in a dragon breaking.
Also, in reference to the above, you can justify a Dragonbreak doing things that extend beyond the Sphere, because it's the dragons that maintain the Sphere, and keep it where it is and working the way it does.
If one of them broke, the Sphere could potentially change it's shape, dimensions, or even cosmological position. A Dragonbreak could easily cause a part of the Sphere to ram into the Starwarsverse, even while another part pierces into the Touhouverse and Narutoverse, and yet another folds into itself and creates a time discrepancy, which itself then fragments out to affect all the other universes the Sphere has collided with.
Dragonbreaks are Serious Business in every sense of the word. They can have permanent, far reaching consequences, and are capable of causing havoc on an omniversal level.
It's bad when a universe's keystone cracks or shatters. It's even worse when the act can potentially turn the entire omniverse into a giant tenth-dimensional pool table, with the Sphere acting as the breaking shot.
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Buckle your seatbelts, ladies and gentlemen. This could be one HELL of a ride.
In theory, there is no limit to what a Dragonbreak could potentially cause, because it can mess with continuity in addition to time and space.
It could, though Dragonbreaks. . . well, I shouldn't say that. After all, it may be impossible for TES mages, but time travel isn't impossible for HP wizards.
It could, but I don't think it's likely to happen. Not unless it creates a huge paradox or reality bork. I say that, because a Dragonbreak is referring to a specific event, which is the breaking of one of the great dragons that maintains reality.
Since timeturners don't affect them, I would not call a timeturner-related paradox a Dragonbreak. Not unless it was a huge paradox. One that somehow caused a cascade failure that resulted in a dragon breaking.
Also, in reference to the above, you can justify a Dragonbreak doing things that extend beyond the Sphere, because it's the dragons that maintain the Sphere, and keep it where it is and working the way it does.
If one of them broke, the Sphere could potentially change it's shape, dimensions, or even cosmological position. A Dragonbreak could easily cause a part of the Sphere to ram into the Starwarsverse, even while another part pierces into the Touhouverse and Narutoverse, and yet another folds into itself and creates a time discrepancy, which itself then fragments out to affect all the other universes the Sphere has collided with.
Dragonbreaks are Serious Business in every sense of the word. They can have permanent, far reaching consequences, and are capable of causing havoc on an omniversal level.
It's bad when a universe's keystone cracks or shatters. It's even worse when the act can potentially turn the entire omniverse into a giant tenth-dimensional pool table, with the Sphere acting as the breaking shot.
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Buckle your seatbelts, ladies and gentlemen. This could be one HELL of a ride.
Ah, right. I forgot that practically anything that moves has a soul in the TES universe. :sweat:
Though I could argue that the TES rat is very different from any other kind of rat I've ever seen, and that that's as much proof as anything that the verses are different when it comes to what kind of creatures have souls. :mellow:
Though I could argue that the TES rat is very different from any other kind of rat I've ever seen, and that that's as much proof as anything that the verses are different when it comes to what kind of creatures have souls. :mellow:
:huh:
...almost all cultures before Christianity came into prominence believed that animals had souls. Granted, to civilizations like the Ancient Greeks, those animal souls lacked that essence of 'reason' that Human souls had, but they still considered animals to have souls just the same as men (this wasn't just Ancient Greece that thought this either, but they were one of the first to put down their thoughts and philosophies onto 'paper' about such things in large enough numbers that we still have written records on it).
...almost all cultures before Christianity came into prominence believed that animals had souls. Granted, to civilizations like the Ancient Greeks, those animal souls lacked that essence of 'reason' that Human souls had, but they still considered animals to have souls just the same as men (this wasn't just Ancient Greece that thought this either, but they were one of the first to put down their thoughts and philosophies onto 'paper' about such things in large enough numbers that we still have written records on it).
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I'm sorry, but there seems to have been a misunderstanding somewhere. I never meant to imply anything about the TES-verse; I was simply arguing that things might be different in the HP-verse. Keyword: might. The HP-verse might be different when it comes to souls, and it might not be. The AK might be a curse that separates the soul from the body, and it might be a Damage Health spell on steroids. I'm just saying that I lean towards the latter, but that the other option could just as easily be true. I apologise if my posts until now have been unclear in getting my point across.
I'm sorry, but there seems to have been a misunderstanding somewhere. I never meant to imply anything about the TES-verse; I was simply arguing that things might be different in the HP-verse. Keyword: might. The HP-verse might be different when it comes to souls, and it might not be. The AK might be a curse that separates the soul from the body, and it might be a Damage Health spell on steroids. I'm just saying that I lean towards the latter, but that the other option could just as easily be true. I apologise if my posts until now have been unclear in getting my point across.