Nasuverse Iron is my blood, and LIGHT is my heart
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Based off her Sleeping Beauty appearance Maleficent has the ability to shapeshift, cloud weak minds like Aurora's, hurl lightning with her staff as a conduit - freakishly strong ones too given that they were shattering rock bridges, some sort of nature manipulation capable of creating thorn forests, weather manipulation and her draconic form which requires her to call on Hell itself. I think she and caster are pretty even matches magic-wise; I don't count heartless command as an extension of Maleficent's magic.
You may be right that Sleeping Beauty Maleficent is about even with Caster. However, Kingdom Hearts series Maleficent is a different story. Hell is never mentioned in KH, after all.
Oh, and I was a inaccurate in my earlier comment that BBS Maleficent > KH1 Maleficent, so let me explain further. In BBS, Maleficent is IMO above Caster, on account of showing such a variety of skills. Check my earlier post to see the variety of tricks she shows in the BBS boss battles. However, after Aqua fights her, she loses her ability to transform into her dragon form after Prince Philip stabs her. Between the events of BBS and KH1, she gains the ability to command the Heartless, and lets more Darkness into her Heart, increasing her power, but the Darkness eats away at her Heart over the years, even as she tells others to let it happen. I assume that's why in KH1 she's a more aggressive fighter, with more of a focus on "direct damage" moves, and doesn't warp around as much as she did in BBS. So KH1 Mal is more powerful, but perhaps a little less skilled/tactically minded. When "Rikunort" unlocks her Heart, she regains her dragon form, which is even stronger due to the true Darkness having been unleashed.
And although commanding the Heartless isn't really part of Maleficent's magic, it's still a skill she possesses in KH1.
And I've come up with a way to include her in my fic without her being a complete game-breaker. It doesn't work outside of her World. Disney Merlin is a time traveller, but we never see him time-travel in KH. The closest we get is him summoning the door to Timeless River, and Pete does that as well. Pete! So I'll hand-wave that time-manipulation, Spoiler excluding the unique form mentioned in KH3D /Spoiler, is impossible outside of a person's world. So what are Aoko's other skills?
Oh, and I was a inaccurate in my earlier comment that BBS Maleficent > KH1 Maleficent, so let me explain further. In BBS, Maleficent is IMO above Caster, on account of showing such a variety of skills. Check my earlier post to see the variety of tricks she shows in the BBS boss battles. However, after Aqua fights her, she loses her ability to transform into her dragon form after Prince Philip stabs her. Between the events of BBS and KH1, she gains the ability to command the Heartless, and lets more Darkness into her Heart, increasing her power, but the Darkness eats away at her Heart over the years, even as she tells others to let it happen. I assume that's why in KH1 she's a more aggressive fighter, with more of a focus on "direct damage" moves, and doesn't warp around as much as she did in BBS. So KH1 Mal is more powerful, but perhaps a little less skilled/tactically minded. When "Rikunort" unlocks her Heart, she regains her dragon form, which is even stronger due to the true Darkness having been unleashed.
And although commanding the Heartless isn't really part of Maleficent's magic, it's still a skill she possesses in KH1.
And I've come up with a way to include her in my fic without her being a complete game-breaker. It doesn't work outside of her World. Disney Merlin is a time traveller, but we never see him time-travel in KH. The closest we get is him summoning the door to Timeless River, and Pete does that as well. Pete! So I'll hand-wave that time-manipulation, Spoiler excluding the unique form mentioned in KH3D /Spoiler, is impossible outside of a person's world. So what are Aoko's other skills?
She doesn't have any, other than throwing bolts of raw magic energy at people. She's a bit like Shirou that way; one really hax trick and basically nothing outside of it. It's why they're both referred to as being incompetent magi. Also, I'm pretty sure that her powers (and all True Magic) functions independently of the world; true magic is the result of finding or creating a path to reach the Root, so all you need to to to regain it if you lose it somehow is walk the path again, while stopping short of the final door.
Note that this means that if the Door To The Light is a method to enter Akasha, then Keyblades are a form of True Magic. Possibly the First; it is called the "denial of nothingness", after all.
Additionally, True Magic is noted as being alien to the history of the world, and to the works of humanity, as opposed to Magecraft, which studies the history of the world and works of humanity to accomplish its effects. If anything, "normal" magecraft would cease functioning in other worlds, while True Magic would continue working just fine.
Note that this means that if the Door To The Light is a method to enter Akasha, then Keyblades are a form of True Magic. Possibly the First; it is called the "denial of nothingness", after all.
Additionally, True Magic is noted as being alien to the history of the world, and to the works of humanity, as opposed to Magecraft, which studies the history of the world and works of humanity to accomplish its effects. If anything, "normal" magecraft would cease functioning in other worlds, while True Magic would continue working just fine.
Nothing? Even as of Mahou Tsukai no Yoru? Even Shirou has reinforcement as a basic skill that's unrelated to his Reality Marble.
Whoa, hold on a minute. I thought Sorcery was essentially something that can never be replicated through science, no matter how much time and effort you put into it. And mage-craft is the reproduction of what is possible and what is theoretically possible. So a fire spell is mage-craft because you could light a match instead. And no nasu-verse scientist will ever develop a way to travel to parallel universes like Zelretch.
Oh, and mage-craft used to be closer to magic during the AoG, but the rise of technology and scientific advances made more things possible, so mage-craft became more limited. Right? Fine. I get all that no problem.
But true magic is only usable by those who have accessed the swirl of the root? The thing that all academic Magi are supposed to want to reach, the Akashic Records, the source of all events and phenomena in the universe that exists outside of time and stores and archives the information of all possibilities and events, past, present, and future? And Zelretch had access to all this information, and only got dimensional travel out of it? Dimension hopping is cool and all, but he got hosed. And how the hell did Aoko reach it while in high school? She apparently travelled the "path to the 5th Magic" developed by the genius head of the 3rd generation of the Aozoki? What does that even mean? Did this genius 3rd head walk the path as well? Or did he just figure out how to get there, but either couldn't do it himself, or chose not to?
Wait, what about multidimensional refraction phenomenon? Isn't that related to the 2nd? I doubt the fictional hero wraith known by the name Sasaki Kojiro, or the original guy who learnt the swallow-killing technique walked the path. How did he end up with a fragment of the kaleidoscope?
Technically, only the Spoiler True X-blade formed from 7 Hearts of light and 13 Hearts of darkness can control Kingdom Hearts, which is basically the Light, and the origins of the Keyblade are shrouded in mystery (Nomura hasn't got around to telling us yet.) As for the 1st magic, Spoiler Check out what Xemnas's power is, and the name of the weapons he wields. /Spoiler.
Keep in mind that the hundreds of world in the KH series all used to be one singular giant world, and appear to work with similar laws of nature (gravity, etc.) Furthermore, magecraft is hampered by Gaia's will attempting to maintain order. No world in the KH series (and no other world in my fic) is shown to have this trait. By that logic, mage-craft should be less limited and be able to reach the Age of Gods tier in other worlds.
Whoa, hold on a minute. I thought Sorcery was essentially something that can never be replicated through science, no matter how much time and effort you put into it. And mage-craft is the reproduction of what is possible and what is theoretically possible. So a fire spell is mage-craft because you could light a match instead. And no nasu-verse scientist will ever develop a way to travel to parallel universes like Zelretch.
Oh, and mage-craft used to be closer to magic during the AoG, but the rise of technology and scientific advances made more things possible, so mage-craft became more limited. Right? Fine. I get all that no problem.
But true magic is only usable by those who have accessed the swirl of the root? The thing that all academic Magi are supposed to want to reach, the Akashic Records, the source of all events and phenomena in the universe that exists outside of time and stores and archives the information of all possibilities and events, past, present, and future? And Zelretch had access to all this information, and only got dimensional travel out of it? Dimension hopping is cool and all, but he got hosed. And how the hell did Aoko reach it while in high school? She apparently travelled the "path to the 5th Magic" developed by the genius head of the 3rd generation of the Aozoki? What does that even mean? Did this genius 3rd head walk the path as well? Or did he just figure out how to get there, but either couldn't do it himself, or chose not to?
Wait, what about multidimensional refraction phenomenon? Isn't that related to the 2nd? I doubt the fictional hero wraith known by the name Sasaki Kojiro, or the original guy who learnt the swallow-killing technique walked the path. How did he end up with a fragment of the kaleidoscope?
Technically, only the Spoiler True X-blade formed from 7 Hearts of light and 13 Hearts of darkness can control Kingdom Hearts, which is basically the Light, and the origins of the Keyblade are shrouded in mystery (Nomura hasn't got around to telling us yet.) As for the 1st magic, Spoiler Check out what Xemnas's power is, and the name of the weapons he wields. /Spoiler.
Keep in mind that the hundreds of world in the KH series all used to be one singular giant world, and appear to work with similar laws of nature (gravity, etc.) Furthermore, magecraft is hampered by Gaia's will attempting to maintain order. No world in the KH series (and no other world in my fic) is shown to have this trait. By that logic, mage-craft should be less limited and be able to reach the Age of Gods tier in other worlds.
All-right, I've done a little research, and I've decided that users of True Magic achieved their ability to use it by constructing a path to Akasha/Kingdom Hearts that specific information "flows down" from.
So to use a metaphor, if Akasha was the most powerful computer in existence, with a hard drive with nigh-infinite capacity, partitioned a nigh-infinite number of times, with each partition containing different information and having it's own unique "firewall," then entering it like all Magi wish to would involve actually sitting down at the computer physically, knowing the master password, and being able to read and edit the stored files at will. Infinite knowledge, and basically the power to re-write reality as you see fit.
Whereas Zelretch and the 3rd generation Aozaki head decided that they wanted to know how to "X," and in order to learn, they basically developed a method of hacking the specific partition of the "infinite drive" that contained what they wanted to know.
Zelretch actually went through with the "hack," but Gen-3 Aozoki head didn't for whatever reason, instead using to increase the probability that his descendants would learn the 5th.
Merlin, master of the 4th magic, can travel anywhere in time and space, and did something similar to achieve the knowledge to be able to do this. Maleficent uses high-level AoG mage-craft to teleport.
Anyway, moving onto a new subject, I would like some help from TFF in establishing a tier list, ranking KH characters from strongest to weakest. Don't worry about including Sora, Donald, Goofy, Ven, Terra or Aqua.
Starting off:
Xemnas (merged with artificial KH) Stated to be most powerful in KH1, CoM, 358/2 days and KH2.
Literal God/God-like Tier
Chernabog
Hades
Jafar (genie)
Sorcerer/Sorceress Tier
Maleficent
Jafar
Ursula
Above Human Tier:
Monstro
Barbossa (Cursed)
Captain Gantu
Scar
Pete
Warrior Tier
Barbossa (Uncursed)
Shan Yu
Clayton
Captain Hook
Non-Combatant/uses technology Tier
Oogie Boogie
Inconvenient Size Tier:
Lucifer
The Queen of Hearts
So to use a metaphor, if Akasha was the most powerful computer in existence, with a hard drive with nigh-infinite capacity, partitioned a nigh-infinite number of times, with each partition containing different information and having it's own unique "firewall," then entering it like all Magi wish to would involve actually sitting down at the computer physically, knowing the master password, and being able to read and edit the stored files at will. Infinite knowledge, and basically the power to re-write reality as you see fit.
Whereas Zelretch and the 3rd generation Aozaki head decided that they wanted to know how to "X," and in order to learn, they basically developed a method of hacking the specific partition of the "infinite drive" that contained what they wanted to know.
Zelretch actually went through with the "hack," but Gen-3 Aozoki head didn't for whatever reason, instead using to increase the probability that his descendants would learn the 5th.
Merlin, master of the 4th magic, can travel anywhere in time and space, and did something similar to achieve the knowledge to be able to do this. Maleficent uses high-level AoG mage-craft to teleport.
Anyway, moving onto a new subject, I would like some help from TFF in establishing a tier list, ranking KH characters from strongest to weakest. Don't worry about including Sora, Donald, Goofy, Ven, Terra or Aqua.
Starting off:
Xemnas (merged with artificial KH) Stated to be most powerful in KH1, CoM, 358/2 days and KH2.
Literal God/God-like Tier
Chernabog
Hades
Jafar (genie)
Sorcerer/Sorceress Tier
Maleficent
Jafar
Ursula
Above Human Tier:
Monstro
Barbossa (Cursed)
Captain Gantu
Scar
Pete
Warrior Tier
Barbossa (Uncursed)
Shan Yu
Clayton
Captain Hook
Non-Combatant/uses technology Tier
Oogie Boogie
Inconvenient Size Tier:
Lucifer
The Queen of Hearts
Maleficent's teleportation seems to be somewhat offensive in nature as well; in her debut each teleport was accompanied by green flames. There's another travel spell she uses - she's capable of turning herself into a spinning vortex of flame travelling at insanely high speeds.
How fast?
In the time between Prince Phillip's journey from King Stefan's drawbridge to the castle gates, Maleficent crossed the distance between her fortress to the castle gates and beat him there.
How fast?
In the time between Prince Phillip's journey from King Stefan's drawbridge to the castle gates, Maleficent crossed the distance between her fortress to the castle gates and beat him there.
If she does, she doesn't seem to use it. I don't think she'd need reinforcement, for that matter, since the Fifth has been stated by Nasu to jack her physical capabilities up to the level of Servants; given her stunt while fighting Flat Snark, and the fact that Dead Apostles reach their superhuman physical capabilities by training for hundreds of years, she most likely does so by giving herself a century or two of training and fighting experience.
Yes, and Science is the study of "the laws of the world", which True Magic lies outside of, while magecraft relies on the study of the history of the world, and thus lies within the boundaries of Science.
Yes, but that's not the whole story. Basically, all magic derives its power from paths to the Root; however, as the "space" to the Root is "walked", the discovery of knowledge/Truth solidifies and defines it; as a result, in the Age of Gods when magic was young, magi used magic recklessly and fomented their own undoing, when the paths they walked were slowly solidified and obstructed until one day, they found they were no longer able to reach the Root so trivially. Then they shat bricks and began the policy of secrecy they now possess.
It's not just dimension hopping; Touko says that time travel is the Second, since it creates alternate timelines during her fight with Aoko in Mahou Tsukai no Yoru. Additionally, he can do shit like pulling in infinite power from alternate universes, whatever skills or knowledge he needs from alternate universes, make Tsubame Gaeshi-style autohit attacks by superimposing multiple timelines on top of each other, et cetera. Dude didn't defeat the Crimson Moon because he was a weakling.
Her grandfather reached the Root and turned back, developing the Fifth Magic. Then he died, and Aoko inherited it, saw the path to the Root, and decided not to go through the door he made.
No canonical answer, but most likely? He did something similar to what Ryougi Shiki did in her coma, but to a lesser extent, through the use of his Vitrification skill.
Huh. Fair enough. Some of those swords sort of resemble Command Seals, though it's probably just a coincidence.
By the same token, keep in mind that the Nasuverse is canonically a part of the Cthulhu Mythos, and in both alien worlds work according to entirely foreign laws of physics, though which the Crystal Valley of ORT or the city of Carcosa upon a world orbiting far Aldebaran are more hostile to humanity is up for debate.
Yes, and Science is the study of "the laws of the world", which True Magic lies outside of, while magecraft relies on the study of the history of the world, and thus lies within the boundaries of Science.
Yes, but that's not the whole story. Basically, all magic derives its power from paths to the Root; however, as the "space" to the Root is "walked", the discovery of knowledge/Truth solidifies and defines it; as a result, in the Age of Gods when magic was young, magi used magic recklessly and fomented their own undoing, when the paths they walked were slowly solidified and obstructed until one day, they found they were no longer able to reach the Root so trivially. Then they shat bricks and began the policy of secrecy they now possess.
It's not just dimension hopping; Touko says that time travel is the Second, since it creates alternate timelines during her fight with Aoko in Mahou Tsukai no Yoru. Additionally, he can do shit like pulling in infinite power from alternate universes, whatever skills or knowledge he needs from alternate universes, make Tsubame Gaeshi-style autohit attacks by superimposing multiple timelines on top of each other, et cetera. Dude didn't defeat the Crimson Moon because he was a weakling.
Her grandfather reached the Root and turned back, developing the Fifth Magic. Then he died, and Aoko inherited it, saw the path to the Root, and decided not to go through the door he made.
No canonical answer, but most likely? He did something similar to what Ryougi Shiki did in her coma, but to a lesser extent, through the use of his Vitrification skill.
Huh. Fair enough. Some of those swords sort of resemble Command Seals, though it's probably just a coincidence.
By the same token, keep in mind that the Nasuverse is canonically a part of the Cthulhu Mythos, and in both alien worlds work according to entirely foreign laws of physics, though which the Crystal Valley of ORT or the city of Carcosa upon a world orbiting far Aldebaran are more hostile to humanity is up for debate.
Fair enough. Maybe I'll use her as a Summon Gen that Shirou obtains later on but fears to use because of the sheer level of destruction she causes when summoned.
Ah, so that's why the more Magi there are, the more limited Magecraft becomes. Sort of a "Conservation of the Root" deal. But doesn't a Thaumaturgical system become more efficient the more people believe in and/or use it?
So if Magi had been less reckless in using mage-craft during the AoG, the paths to the root would have formed... "less chaotically?" And if Mage-craft relies on the study of the history of the world, it should become more powerful the more history there is, right? Is it that the decrease caused by the increase of Magi outweighs the increase caused by the passing of time creating more history? So if the number of Magi were to become fixed, then Mage-craft would slowly become less limited over time?
Well, yeah, the Kaleidoscope is pretty awesome, even Zelretch's Jewel Sword proves that, but you have to admit it falls a little short of the power to reshape all of existence at will. And Zelretch has never shown the ability to travel to the past or future, has he?
So Aoko's grandfather reached the Akashic records... and then turned back? What, did he decide that he didn't feel like having access to infinite knowledge that day? And he did use the 5th? Why isn't he more well known? How the hell did did Touko kill him for that matter?
A serene state of mind that prevents mental influence allowed him to do that? I know that Tohsaka Nagato believed he could reach Akasha by attaining nirvana, but...
...Fine. How about this. Different worlds have different "paths" to the root. As there aren't a lot of reckless magi in the KH worlds, their "paths" are not so solidified and obstructed. So although Rin's Jewel Magecraft and crest may suddenly not work, re-developing it should be fairly simple.
ORT will continue to lie closed off in it's lair. Any Heartless/Nobodies that disturb it will shortly find themselves in serious trouble for reasons stated below.
Furthermore, as ultimate ones are above Gaia's concepts of damage and death, and have a different sense of self from humans, I'm going to say that Types don't have the same concepts of Hearts, Souls and Bodies as humans and other life forms have. Therefore, even if they do have them, the Heartless won't even be able to detect or interact with them.
Ah, so that's why the more Magi there are, the more limited Magecraft becomes. Sort of a "Conservation of the Root" deal. But doesn't a Thaumaturgical system become more efficient the more people believe in and/or use it?
So if Magi had been less reckless in using mage-craft during the AoG, the paths to the root would have formed... "less chaotically?" And if Mage-craft relies on the study of the history of the world, it should become more powerful the more history there is, right? Is it that the decrease caused by the increase of Magi outweighs the increase caused by the passing of time creating more history? So if the number of Magi were to become fixed, then Mage-craft would slowly become less limited over time?
Well, yeah, the Kaleidoscope is pretty awesome, even Zelretch's Jewel Sword proves that, but you have to admit it falls a little short of the power to reshape all of existence at will. And Zelretch has never shown the ability to travel to the past or future, has he?
So Aoko's grandfather reached the Akashic records... and then turned back? What, did he decide that he didn't feel like having access to infinite knowledge that day? And he did use the 5th? Why isn't he more well known? How the hell did did Touko kill him for that matter?
A serene state of mind that prevents mental influence allowed him to do that? I know that Tohsaka Nagato believed he could reach Akasha by attaining nirvana, but...
...Fine. How about this. Different worlds have different "paths" to the root. As there aren't a lot of reckless magi in the KH worlds, their "paths" are not so solidified and obstructed. So although Rin's Jewel Magecraft and crest may suddenly not work, re-developing it should be fairly simple.
ORT will continue to lie closed off in it's lair. Any Heartless/Nobodies that disturb it will shortly find themselves in serious trouble for reasons stated below.
Furthermore, as ultimate ones are above Gaia's concepts of damage and death, and have a different sense of self from humans, I'm going to say that Types don't have the same concepts of Hearts, Souls and Bodies as humans and other life forms have. Therefore, even if they do have them, the Heartless won't even be able to detect or interact with them.
You are remembering that Nobodies are just what's left over when a person becomes a heartless, right? Nobodies like the Organisation are what's left over when somebody with an incredible amount of will becomes a Hearltess.
As for who else could survive the world falling into darkness... Well, Shirou and Kirei are probably the only two Master's who could survive, but the rest of the Nasuverse...
I don't think there's many, if any at all, who could survive.
As for who else could survive the world falling into darkness... Well, Shirou and Kirei are probably the only two Master's who could survive, but the rest of the Nasuverse...
I don't think there's many, if any at all, who could survive.
Yes, I'm fully aware that a Nobody is simply the Body and Soul (life-force and "will") left behind when the heart is lost, that has sufficient will to keep moving around, and in the case of the very strongest, keep their human form with minimal changes. I should have worded that better.
The thing is, when a World's Heart is taken from behind the World's Keyhole by the Heartless, the whole World (minus fragments that form both Traverse Town and The End of The World) is sent to the Realm of Darkness. This is shown in the BBS Final Mix Secret Ending, A fragmentary passage, when Aqua, trapped in the Realm of Darkness, finds the Castle of Dreams (the world of Cinderella.)
When this happens, the inhabitants of the fallen world who have not had their Hearts already taken by the invading Heartless have several possible fates:
One: They are lucky enough to enter one of the Corridors of Darkness that open just before the World's destruction and they will wander these until either their Hearts weaken too much, at which point they'll become a Heartless, or they'll exit them in a world in the Realm of Light (Sora used one of these to wind up in Traverse Town, and Riku used one to emerge in Hollow Bastion, although this may have been influenced by Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, as most survivors of worlds lost to the Heartless find their way to Traverse Town.)
Two: They are not lucky enough to find an open Dark Corridor, and begin to fade into Darkness with their Worlds. If they absolutely refuse to give into their inner Darkness due to being good-hearted, and therefore having enough light in their hearts, and are strong-hearted/willed enough to resist the Darkness completely, they lose their body (and probably their Life-force) and become a summon gem. As explained by the Fairy Godmother, the summon gems are the crystallized forms of strong, good-hearted denizens that did not fall victim to the darkness during the destruction of their worlds, and so are able to be called into battle for a limited time. Fairy Godmother, KH1: "This little creature lived in a world that was consumed by darkness. When a world vanishes, so do its inhabitants. But this one had such a strong heart, he became a gem instead of vanishing with his world." Despite Saber having B-class luck, she won't make it to a CoD, and will become a summon gem.
(Note that Sora used the Keyblade of people's hearts on himself, and therefore couldn't resist his own darkness, as it was unlocked. In theory, had he not escaped Destiny Islands when he did, he could have become a summon gem.)
Three: If they are not good-hearted enough to become a summon gem, but are still strong-hearted enough to not be swallowed by the darkness, they'll wind up in the Realm of Darkness in one piece. (Although Master Aqua, King Mickey, Riku (after A,SoD's defeat) and DiZ are all whole in the RoD at times, they are not part of this rule, as they all travelled there via different means.) However, as the Realm of Darkness is essentially the pureblood Heartless's home, and is full of powerful pureblood Heartless, it's not likely they'll stay that way for long.) In the event that a whole person in the RoD is defeated by a pureblood Heartless, then the same fate awaits them as those in:
Four: Someone who gives into darkness, or is defeated by a Heartless, will become a Heartless themselves, with said Heartless's strength being dependant on how much darkness they had in their hearts. If they have sufficient will, they'll become a Nobody too, which may even retain a human form if they have a seriously strong will.
It doesn't matter whether you're in the Realm of Light or the Realm of Darkness when your Heart is taken by a Heartless, your Nobody still ends up in the Realm of Inbetween. I figure that Shirou can't be the only determinator in F/SN, Tsukihime and MTNY. I'm planning on having Waver, or to be more specific, Lord El-Melloi II, become a Nobody minor Spoiler due to him remembering that Rider ordered him to live, and the memory of that promise giving him the strength to not fade into the Darkness. /minor spoiler.
The thing is, when a World's Heart is taken from behind the World's Keyhole by the Heartless, the whole World (minus fragments that form both Traverse Town and The End of The World) is sent to the Realm of Darkness. This is shown in the BBS Final Mix Secret Ending, A fragmentary passage, when Aqua, trapped in the Realm of Darkness, finds the Castle of Dreams (the world of Cinderella.)
When this happens, the inhabitants of the fallen world who have not had their Hearts already taken by the invading Heartless have several possible fates:
One: They are lucky enough to enter one of the Corridors of Darkness that open just before the World's destruction and they will wander these until either their Hearts weaken too much, at which point they'll become a Heartless, or they'll exit them in a world in the Realm of Light (Sora used one of these to wind up in Traverse Town, and Riku used one to emerge in Hollow Bastion, although this may have been influenced by Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, as most survivors of worlds lost to the Heartless find their way to Traverse Town.)
Two: They are not lucky enough to find an open Dark Corridor, and begin to fade into Darkness with their Worlds. If they absolutely refuse to give into their inner Darkness due to being good-hearted, and therefore having enough light in their hearts, and are strong-hearted/willed enough to resist the Darkness completely, they lose their body (and probably their Life-force) and become a summon gem. As explained by the Fairy Godmother, the summon gems are the crystallized forms of strong, good-hearted denizens that did not fall victim to the darkness during the destruction of their worlds, and so are able to be called into battle for a limited time. Fairy Godmother, KH1: "This little creature lived in a world that was consumed by darkness. When a world vanishes, so do its inhabitants. But this one had such a strong heart, he became a gem instead of vanishing with his world." Despite Saber having B-class luck, she won't make it to a CoD, and will become a summon gem.
(Note that Sora used the Keyblade of people's hearts on himself, and therefore couldn't resist his own darkness, as it was unlocked. In theory, had he not escaped Destiny Islands when he did, he could have become a summon gem.)
Three: If they are not good-hearted enough to become a summon gem, but are still strong-hearted enough to not be swallowed by the darkness, they'll wind up in the Realm of Darkness in one piece. (Although Master Aqua, King Mickey, Riku (after A,SoD's defeat) and DiZ are all whole in the RoD at times, they are not part of this rule, as they all travelled there via different means.) However, as the Realm of Darkness is essentially the pureblood Heartless's home, and is full of powerful pureblood Heartless, it's not likely they'll stay that way for long.) In the event that a whole person in the RoD is defeated by a pureblood Heartless, then the same fate awaits them as those in:
Four: Someone who gives into darkness, or is defeated by a Heartless, will become a Heartless themselves, with said Heartless's strength being dependant on how much darkness they had in their hearts. If they have sufficient will, they'll become a Nobody too, which may even retain a human form if they have a seriously strong will.
It doesn't matter whether you're in the Realm of Light or the Realm of Darkness when your Heart is taken by a Heartless, your Nobody still ends up in the Realm of Inbetween. I figure that Shirou can't be the only determinator in F/SN, Tsukihime and MTNY. I'm planning on having Waver, or to be more specific, Lord El-Melloi II, become a Nobody minor Spoiler due to him remembering that Rider ordered him to live, and the memory of that promise giving him the strength to not fade into the Darkness. /minor spoiler.
Jane, being a proper English girl, might comment on it. Traverse Town and Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden have Yuffie and no-one ever says anything about it. I suppose Belle might as well. Considering what Princess Jasmine wears, I don't think that Agrabah will even blink. Oh, and Port Royal.
And Aqua visited most of, if not all of the worlds in BBS, and no-one was ever shown to bat an eye-lid over her clothing. <a href='http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100929174413/kingdomhearts/images/archive/8/88/20120221125522!AquaCG2.png' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Aqua.</a> Not to mention that most of those worlds have already been taken by the Heartless by the time Shirou's world falls.
Frollo in La CitÚ des Cloches might have something to say, but that world is in the realm of sleep, and KH3D won't even be released outside of Japan for another couple of weeks. I'm hoping that by the time comes that it would make sense for it to be introduced, I'll be able to watch some "let's play" videos on youtube, as I'm not buying a 3ds for 1 game.
And Aqua visited most of, if not all of the worlds in BBS, and no-one was ever shown to bat an eye-lid over her clothing. <a href='http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100929174413/kingdomhearts/images/archive/8/88/20120221125522!AquaCG2.png' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Aqua.</a> Not to mention that most of those worlds have already been taken by the Heartless by the time Shirou's world falls.
Frollo in La CitÚ des Cloches might have something to say, but that world is in the realm of sleep, and KH3D won't even be released outside of Japan for another couple of weeks. I'm hoping that by the time comes that it would make sense for it to be introduced, I'll be able to watch some "let's play" videos on youtube, as I'm not buying a 3ds for 1 game.
We've never seen some of the Org's Somebodies, aside from briefly seeing the original apprentices in 3D, but they remember their past lives and being Somebodies. Lea as an adult in KH3D isn't shown to have a wildly different personality from Axel, although this is probably because spoiler for those who know nothing of KH3D he was actually starting to grow a heart similar, if not identical to his last.
To rephrase my earlier point, his body/soul will start moving around. He will retain much of his former personality, but will act a little more emotionless. Of course, the little emotion he does show will be an act, spoiler due to not having been a nobody for very long or exposed to situations that promote "heart growth."
To rephrase my earlier point, his body/soul will start moving around. He will retain much of his former personality, but will act a little more emotionless. Of course, the little emotion he does show will be an act, spoiler due to not having been a nobody for very long or exposed to situations that promote "heart growth."
Doesn't matter how damn mentally strong you are, when you have a concentrated force of darkness etched into your soul, you are getting dragged into the Darkness. On the bright side however, I'm pretty sure that's where King Mickey spends most of the first game, and Master Aqua is running around there to, so it's not like she's alone.
Oh, and Illya too, Illya will be there since she's stuck to the grail as well.
And have you even played a Kingdom Hearts game? :huh:
Oh, and Illya too, Illya will be there since she's stuck to the grail as well.
And have you even played a Kingdom Hearts game? :huh:
Yeah, Sakura would almost certainly produce both a humanoid Nobody and a very powerful Heartless. Matou Zouken probably would as well; the fact that the dude is capable of operating the way he does despite constant agonizing pain from his body constantly decaying is a testament to his willpower.
Hmm. Another person who might survive the fall of the world without going (permanently) Heartless is Aozaki Touko. She's capable of creating perfect replicas of herself, to the point that the original is indistinguishable from the copies; this must mean that she is capable of building Hearts. So, when the world falls, and her Heart falls into darkness, her Heartless builds itself a body and soul to replace its lost originals, and her Nobody builds itself a Heart to replace its lost one. Philosophising is bound to ensue when they meet each other.
Hmm. Another person who might survive the fall of the world without going (permanently) Heartless is Aozaki Touko. She's capable of creating perfect replicas of herself, to the point that the original is indistinguishable from the copies; this must mean that she is capable of building Hearts. So, when the world falls, and her Heart falls into darkness, her Heartless builds itself a body and soul to replace its lost originals, and her Nobody builds itself a Heart to replace its lost one. Philosophising is bound to ensue when they meet each other.
I can generally agree about Sakura and Zouken. But just because there's no way for anyone on Nasu-Earth to tell the difference doesn't mean that someone from outside couldn't. It seems way more likely to me that, rather than having figured out how to create hearts, which just sounds like bullshit that would put her at the top of Xemnas's "make her my minion" list, she transfers her heart. So much less ridiculous. And she most likely doesn't even realize she does it.
And the only Heartless I know of that has shown any real intelligence is Ansem, Seeker of Darkness. No way you can convince me Touko would turn into a Heartless like him, or that a regular Heartless could figure out how to make a new body. And if her Nobody could make hearts from scratch, it would eliminate much of the stated goal of Organization XIII (that is, what they lie to people about in-universe, trying to get their hearts back as opposed to getting the power of Kingdom Hearts).
And the only Heartless I know of that has shown any real intelligence is Ansem, Seeker of Darkness. No way you can convince me Touko would turn into a Heartless like him, or that a regular Heartless could figure out how to make a new body. And if her Nobody could make hearts from scratch, it would eliminate much of the stated goal of Organization XIII (that is, what they lie to people about in-universe, trying to get their hearts back as opposed to getting the power of Kingdom Hearts).