MastaofBitches said:
The Keyblade
is a magic weapon, so of course it's gonna beef up the stats of the person wielding it. Although I highly doubt Shirou's fake one will be able to up the stats.
The only sad thing about this whole idea, is that Roxas won't exist
A Keybearer's strength isn't totally dependant on their Keyblade. When Sora loses the Kingdom Key to Riku at Hollow Bastion in KH1, and has to use the toy sword, he damages the Heartless a lot less, but in Destiny Islands, he couldn't hurt them at all with it. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Sora's magic was no weaker while he was Keyblade-less. Not to mention Cloud and Leon, who are bad-ass without KBs. The Keyblade is a powerful weapon, but if a late-game Sora with a regular sword fought an early or even mid-game Sora with a KB, I'd place my money on the former.
Ven's Heart has been dormant inside Shirou for almost as long as Avalon. Shirou will be able to project Ven's Keyblade (with almost any of his Keychains attached, although he won't be able to swap them around once projected) almost perfectly, not losing a rank, with one caveat. His ability to replicate the skill of the wielder will remain as it was in canon, approx 5%, quite poor compared to Archer's 90% if I recall correctly.
One 20th of the way into Ven's story has Ven at his first world, Dwarf Woodlands, with three deck commands, and few skills, so when Shirou traces one of Ven's Keyblades, I'll probably give him access to the same abilities as Ven's Level 0 d-link deck. Quick Blitz, Strike Raid and Aero. Of course, Sora learnt the latter two abilities during KH anyway, so they'll be of limited use...
As Ragnarok is a shotlock command in BBS, I might,
might give Shirou access to Ven's starting shotlock, Flame Salvo, at some point before he learns Ragnarok on his own.
Oh, and completely hypothetically, if Shirou were to repeatedly fight Archer, and improve at replicating the wielders skill to Archer's level, then a Shirou who could replicate 90% could potentially gain access to a late-game Ven deck, with commands such as Timesplicer or Ars Arcanum (which Sora learnt, and Shirou will learn, in Neverland.) Of course, Shirou isn't elementally aligned with wind or light like Ven was, so he'd might have issues with attacks like Wind Raid and Faith. That's if he evens learns them, of course.
As for Roxas... Well, Sora will have a role to play in this fic, but I'm afraid the Key of Destiny we all know won't be making an appearance.
MWkillkenny84 said:
MastaofBitches said:
Also, I doubt Sakura or Waver would be able to form a Humanoid Nobody, definitely High level ones, maybe Sorcerer (?) level. But I think humanoid needed more then just a strong will to form.
The first has been able to resist All The EVil Of The World (who, in this setting, is a piece of the Darkness of Kingdom Heart itself) for ten years, and her 'adoration' for Shirou will be a boost, IF she will fall for the Darkness and left behind a Nobody.
The second one is the 'heir' of Rider/Broskander and his ambition, I cant' see him NOT resisting the Darkness to the bitter end, and I think his Nobody will inhert that 'wish/ambition'.
Fanwanking, I know, but it has to be done sometimes.
The only thing that's been stated about human Nobodies is that they require even more willpower than regular Nobodies. Also, the fact that Xemnas apparently has the ability to turn an Org member into a dusk implies that if there was some sort of special quality or ability aside from epic willpower that separates humanoid Nobodies from the rest, he'd be capable of breaking or negating it somehow. For now, I'm going to go with the "best of the best" explanation for humanoid Nobodies. After all, we've never seen someone's body/soul laying around and then starting to move.
Emh... given the fact Kirei's Heart is made from the mud of the Fourth Holy Grail (read: AM juice), is he able to manipulate the Darkness in this setting (call and command Heartless, or God help us all, CREATE Heartless by 'removing' other people's Hearts)?
Kirei's blood-pumping heart is made out of grail mud, not his KH Heart (note the capitalisation.) And that's only because Kiritsugu blew a hole through it. It's just a part of his body (although any conversations regarding it may be a little reminicient of a certain Abbott and Costello sketch.) The Heartless won't care, although they might find him slightly harder to detect, the darkness in his body helping to disguise what little light is in his heart. Characters who can sense or "smell" darkness like Riku will be able to detect him easily. And characters who can manipulate darkness... Would they be capable of extracting the darkness from within his body, causing him to drop dead on the spot? "I made him... *puts on sun-glasses* ...literally heartless."
And how much he will troll the Disney villains?
On Gaston and Frollo, I've already speaked and 'influenced' a reply.
On the others...
Maleficent? "So, they have not invited you to the princess birth's celebrations because they (rightly) thinked of you as an evil being... and to prove them right, you've cursed the child to die. Congratulations, amateur . In your place, I'll have gived their littke spawn a BLESSING, and enjoied them become crazy in the tentative to discern an evil plot on your part that do not even exist." (or something similar, sorry for my bad English).
Hades? "So you call yourself a God of the Hell? Let me show you what a true God is, and a true Hell of human creation." (follow Grail Mud, Black Keys, and trolling)
Hook? Pity the pirate, pity him!
Jafar? Call me after I've finished to laugh at the fool expense.
Other opinions on the matter?
Maleficent: "...Better an amateur than a fool that mocks those with more power than he can dream of!" *Burns Kirei alive from the inside out with emerald flame.*
Hades: "Ah ha ha, adorable. Buuut, I'm kinda busy dealing with Herc the Jerk right now, so I'm gonna have to wrap this up. You're a priest, huh? Tell me, do you prefer burials or...
cremation? *Casually immolates Kirei*
Kirei wouldn't go around randomly criticizing people who are both capable of and perfectly willing to kill him with the slightest provocation. Otherwise he never would have survived 10 years with Gilgamesh. And his trolling mostly works on the concept of revealing uncomfortable truths.
MastaofBitches said:
It was dormant for most of her life though, and her obsession with Shirou, might actually work against her, given that Darkness is all about temptation. It actively prays on the darker emotions of humanity, and slowly twists them into something it can take advantage of. Things like Jealousy. Jealousy of Saber, and Jealousy of Rin.
I wouldn't say that KH Darkness is all about temptation. Characters like Maleficent, Ansem SoD, and Master Xehanort tempt characters like Riku and Terra with the promise of power, respect, glory and so on, by giving into the Darkness, and those who let Darkness into their Hearts or don't guard against it strongly enough often run with it due to the resulting rush feeling good, and the power allowing them to take what they want, but it's not like the Darkness constantly whispers in a person's ear going "Join team Dark. We have cookies."
Darkness is mostly about easy power, IMO. Though of course, easy power is tempting for many.
In Heaven's feel, Dark Sakura is a little yandere for Shirou, and I could see a Sakura hoped up on KH Darkness doing the same. Of course, one has to take circumstances and character development into consideration.
MWkillkenny84 said:
The second one is the 'heir' of Rider/Broskander and his ambition, I cant' see him NOT resisting the Darkness to the bitter end, and I think his Nobody will inhert that 'wish/ambition'.
Oh, I definetly see him leaving a Nobody behind, definitely one of the more powerful ones, but the people in the darkness have the person they
were slowly erased.
Leaving only a Nobody (who seem to gain the memories of their Heart counterparts as they lose them) who use the memories to imitate their former selves. So Varwex (or Xarwev, which sounds better?) would remember the oath his Somebody made to Rider, would remember the value that was placed on that oath, but wouldn't be able to understand
why it was so important to Waver. However, if he chose to reconcile himself to the fact that he can and will not ever understand the oath's importance as long as he is an incomplete being, but make the intellectual decision to place his trust in Waver's choice to hold to that oath to the very end...
MWkillkenny84 said:
Fanwanking, I know, but it has to be done sometimes.
Fanwanking is
never okay, it's pathetic, and annoying.
Freaking this. I'm an individual who thinks that in some ways it's morally wrong to not speak ill or mention negative traits of the deceased at funerals (within reason of course,) as I think in many ways it's almost an insult to their memory, only remembering a caricature of the person and not their whole identity.
And I feel similarly, if a fair bit less passionately, when it comes to fictional characters. MWkillkenny84, you spoke earlier of Kirei going around mocking and showing up KH villains. Kirei's not infallible, he wouldn't do this, and I doubt he could and survive even if he tried. And if I wrote a character who did, it wouldn't be Kotomine. And I won't do that. Kinoko created an excellent, interesting character in Kotomine Kirei, and any-time I'll write a scene with him, I'll do my best to ensure that the character in that scene is Kotomine Kirei. Try to flesh out a character to show a side not shown in canon? If it's believable and fits with the rest of the characterisation of the character in question, fine. Put a character through character development that rings true? Fine. Excellent even. Character derailment? Hell no, and I hope that in the unfortunate event I ever do, someone'll call me on it so I can work on recapturing the true essence of the character.
He-who-voted-for-Kodos said:
MastaofBitches said:
He-who-voted-for-Kodos said:
For some reason, when I think of Kotomine meeting Hades, I think of Captain America in the Avengers movie: "There's only one God, and I don't think he dresses like you."
Does Kotomine even
believe in a god? :huh:
Oh, yeah. Remember that's part of his internal conflict, that he is a true believer, has genuine faith, and has enough of a conscience to know that doing evil things is wrong, but those evil things are still the only things that give him any pleasure. I'm mostly sure somewhere, I think in Zero, there's a thing with him thinking about how he wants to meet God, to ask why He would allow someone like Kotomine Kirei to exist.
Edit: That's also why he was able to exorcise Zouken in HF. It's a holy sacrament thing that requires genuine faith, at least as I understand it. Not good at explaining it.
As H-W-V-F-K has said, Kirei is a pretty religious guy. I wonder how he might have reacted if Angra Manyu has never been transformed by the Greater Grail, though. Without the possibility of finding an answer for the meaning of his existence, would he,
could he, conclude that a world that has someone like him in it is a world that was not intelligently designed? Would he lose his faith?
My god, AU Scientologist Kotomine. The horror.
Oh, and is the Church aware that Reincarnation is totally a proven thing in the Nasu-verse? I assume that the reason that Ciel didn't make them collectively convert to Buddhism because Roa's incarnations are just copies, but is the Church aware that there's basically no heaven awaiting the faithful?
nick012000 said:
MastaofBitches said:
That Reality Marble is Iskander's, not his. It's created by the armies of Ionian Hetairoi, through their loyalty to Iskander. It's not something that can simply be "passed on", since it's not something that is possessed by Iskander alone. Archer could call UBW, but, it would be under constant assault from the Darkness, and since Archer has so much anger and hate in his soul... Well, I doubt UBW's protections would last long.
Rewatch the video I linked. Iskander specifically says that the world exists within the heart of all of his followers; that is to say, they all possess the Reality Marble. That's why he can summon them all when he uses it. A future version of Waver Velvet was shown to be among them. Many of the weaker ones may not be able to manifest it, though Waver probably can because he's a magus.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the actualization of a Reality Marble is the result of switching the Self and the World while keeping the boundary the same, right? The size of the Self and the World are switched, enclosing the World in a small container while the Self is expanded. Considering the rule of equivalent exchange, does that mean that if there is no World to take the place of the Self, then you cannot make the switch? By that logic, if Archer tried to actualise UBW while in the lanes between, he'd fail, due to not being on a world.
Furthermore, that Nrvnqsr Chaos dude uses his RM inside his body to avoid dealing with Gaia trying to crush it, but it still uses up a hell of a lot of prana. That's why he still needs to feed so much, right?
A thought occurs: Ea is anti-world. How does that impact the whole situation? Does it, like, directly remove the heart of the world? Is it a big weapon of darkness? What's its deal?
It's said to revert the world to the primordial chaos from before the world was created, so most likely it doesn't so much destroy the heart of the world so much as go "you never existed in the first place, kthnxbai".
Well, in KH, the Princesses of Heart (or their past lives, seeing as Kairi isn't hundreds or thousands of years old last time I checked) banished the Darkness to the Realm of Darkness (taking Kindom Hearts along with it.)
However, check out this quote from Ea's type-moon wiki page. "Within the darkness where everything is returned to nothingness, only Ea is left to shine with brilliance like a star of creation amidst the destruction, the first thing illuminating the new world."
