Akamatsuverse [Love Hina]Miscellaneous ideas topic.

PCHeintz72

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Quoting myself from an old discussion on this forum on this topic
Manga canon continuity...

- He goes to the dorm (thinking it a hotel)...
- Cue mix up w/girls and them telling him it had not been a hotel in ages
- Haruka notes Granny left a whole year ago and only communicates by faxes occasionally.
- Cue them kicking him out upon finding out he lied
- Naru tracks him down, then Haruka shows...
- Haruka *has* a multiple page fax printout from Granny (note she did not state talked to her)... (pg 79, vol. I US. Edition), it is upside down, but 1st page clearly can be read...

Real Estate Deed of Ownership
Land and Building
Name Hotel Hinata House
Location 1 Hinata St., Hinata City, Kanagawa Prefecture
Buildings: Main Building - North Wood, Mortar, Tile Construction 4 stories, Main Building - South Wood, Mortar, Tile Construction 3 stories

Haruka notes that it is all *legal*, and Granny is giving it all to him, even shows him the letter:

Letter: From Grandma to Keitaro: I Hinata Urashima, give to my grandson Keitaro Urashima, the real estate in my possession Hinata House, and the land it stands on, August 105th, 1998, Hinata Urashima.

Anime canon continuity...

- parents noted could not support him forever and he stated would get a part time job
- granny called his parents *from Hinata apartments*, stating she wanted him to go to the Hinata to visit her
- granny *did* state to girls she was going on vacation... but when asked what they would do she stated *don't worry I've got it all figured out*
- granny merely states to Haruka that *you girls will be fine*
- Naru knows he is a loser right off in this continuity, though does not immediately make the connection, smacks him down the hall...
- Shinobu not yet a resident
- cue bathroom scene,
- Haruka was expecting him in this one (potentially making her at least partially in on it) and Haruka allowed him to stay one night and talk in the morning. Her hitting him as he started to explain also implies she was deliberately lying to the tenants to build him up in their eyes. Even telling him they would not take the truth well. And notes *we* need him there to manage the apartments *or they might end up losing the building*...
EDIT: did not change anything, merely made it clear was quoting myself.
 
^Either way, does not make Granny Hina look good, though she looks less bad in the manga, as does Haruka.
 

PCHeintz72

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The prior post was from a older argument on this very forum, I was quoting myself... here is another couple snippets from that:

Granny does not tell him in person, nor give him the option to refuse, nor ask if it was what he wanted, nor give advance warning to him and at least in manga not Haruka either, nor is she either present when done or has she told/prepped/warned the girls of the full truth. She never checked up, called, or otherwise determined that this had no bad repercussions or any impact on their safety occur due to this changeover.
Additionally... In manga it was without question premeditated, as I cannot see how a full proper and legal deed of ownership could be transferred spur of the moment based on my own property experiences, also for the fact of not informing anyone in advance (other than the cryptic and deliberately vague vacation thing to the girls, and Haruka probably being in on it, both in the anime only). In anime she outright deliberately gets him to come there under false pretenses stating to his father *she wanted him to visit her*.
So... Whether one calls her a betrayer, irresponsible and senile, scum bag behavior, eccentric (she is rich... a lot is forgiven by calling it eccentric)... or call her a manipulative old battle axe... or something else... it still caused massive turmoil to all their lives and is bad behavior that I feel she should not be forgiven for and thus deserving of not one bit of sympathy...

The only continuity I do not know about is the visual novel one, since I've not read it. In that, she may be good, I guess.
 

Antimatter

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HAs anyone ever done the obvious 'what if' fic of Naru actually passing her first exam? She was top in the nation after all, it should have been a cakewalk.
 
Antimatter said:
HAs anyone ever done the obvious 'what if' fic of Naru actually passing her first exam?  She was top in the nation after all, it should have been a cakewalk.
I'm sure it's been done, though I've never seen it. But in fairness, I've never looked.

My recollection of the series may need refreshing, but wouldn't this change mean that Naru would not be around on the trip Keitaro took somewhere? Kyoto, maybe? I think this time was when he ran into Mutsumi; without Naru around, that meeting might go very differently.

It could be worth thinking about.
 

Antimatter

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nuclear death frog said:
Antimatter said:
HAs anyone ever done the obvious 'what if' fic of Naru actually passing her first exam?  She was top in the nation after all, it should have been a cakewalk.
I'm sure it's been done, though I've never seen it. But in fairness, I've never looked.

My recollection of the series may need refreshing, but wouldn't this change mean that Naru would not be around on the trip Keitaro took somewhere? Kyoto, maybe? I think this time was when he ran into Mutsumi; without Naru around, that meeting might go very differently.

It could be worth thinking about.
Yep, no naru on the trip, and with naru busy with school and her part time work, there may not be much of any studying with her that next year.  Maybe a bit here and there, but she woudl have more important things to do.

I'd say it's a nice setup for a mutsumi romance, or maybe even a kitsune one.  Would really require you to rethink the entire first several volumes of the manga, which woudl have to play out a bit differently in a lot of areas.
 

PCHeintz72

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Hmmm... I would think a Kitsune one would be more likely, assuming she could actually be made to become seriously enough interested in Keitaro that is.

Mutsumi I consider unlikely, as even if he met up with her as in canon, a lot of that initial meeting after her being saved and revivied was steered by the fact Naru was there with Keitaro as well...
 
Wasn't it really clear from the first meeting that Keitaro and Mutsumi were an all but perfect match, though?  As I said, my memory may need refreshing, but I recall them hitting it off splendidly and that Naru being there was about the only thing preventing the match.

As for Kitsune, eh ... I really just can't see her deciding to make the effort. Biased, maybe, but there you go.

$0.02
 

Antimatter

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Not only were Mutsumi and Keitaro a perfect match, she's the girl from his memories. Only Naru's plot armor and some retcons, and eventually, all but writing her out of the main plot, had Naru win in the end. Long hours of studying together plus Naru busy with other things? I could easily see wedding bells in their future.

As for Kitsune? Kitsune only wasn't in the hunt, so to speak, because she knew naru was. If Keitaro isn't as hung up on Naru due to not being around her as much, I could easily see Kitsune making her move on him.

And Frankly, we just need more Kitsune/Keitaro fics period. Even in canon, she just didn't get that many juicy scenes.
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
I try for Keitaro/Kitsune because she's hot.

I don't try very hard, but that's better than nothing.
 
Antimatter said:
Not only were Mutsumi and Keitaro a perfect match, she's the girl from his memories.  Only Naru's plot armor and some retcons, and eventually, all but writing her out of the main plot, had Naru win in the end.  Long hours of studying together plus Naru busy with other things?  I could easily see wedding bells in their future.
Yep, that's basically how I remembered it. Good to know.
 

Antimatter

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It really showed that Akamatsu had no idea how to resolve the love triangle he set up, as he had kind of written himself into a corner. Up to keitaro's sudden confession Mutsumi was clearly the better of the two choices. She even spent orientation day with him!

After that, the plot moved to make mutsumi more and more irrelevant.

Probably the one thing I really, really dislike about love hina in fact. For negima, he just seemed to have run out of time and killed the series a good arc or two too early, never really resolving the romantic aspects.

UQ holder didn't even bother with romance until pretty recently plot wise.
 
I haven't even touched UQ Holder because the lack of resolution in Negima just annoyed me that much. Even an un-favored or bad resolution can be preferable to none at all.
 
nuclear death frog said:
I haven't even touched UQ Holder because the lack of resolution in Negima just annoyed me that much. Even an un-favored or bad resolution can be preferable to none at all.
IIRC, he had to rush because the publisher was going to do something stupid. Not too clear on what, though.
 

Antimatter

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Prince Charon said:
nuclear death frog said:
I haven't even touched UQ Holder because the lack of resolution in Negima just annoyed me that much. Even an un-favored or bad resolution can be preferable to none at all.
IIRC, he had to rush because the publisher was going to do something stupid.  Not too clear on what, though.
There was a lot of stuff going around about anti incest, lolicon, ero manga, etc and so forth.  Given Negima is built around a lot of fanservice of 14-15 year old jr high girls, it was ripe for the picking.  My guess is Ken shut that down via ending the series early and a timeskip. 

With UQ holder, there hasn't much much of any young girl fanservice.  Eva-chan is almost exclusively in her adult form, with Karin being the main source of fanservice.  Kirie has had a few scenes, but nothing too major compared to Negima (or even Love hina).
 

chronodekar

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I was wondering ... in Love Hina, does Naru have any special reason for trying Toudai? As in a canonical reason? Keitaro's is why we have a plot at all, but I can't remember if Naru considered herself bound by some promise, or she just wanted to get into a good university.

-chronodekar
 
Antimatter said:
There was a lot of stuff going around about anti incest, lolicon, ero manga, etc and so forth.  Given Negima is built around a lot of fanservice of 14-15 year old jr high girls, it was ripe for the picking.
I don't recall if I ever knew any of that. Well, that is an understandable reason, at least.
 

Ura Mamoru

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From what I remember, there was an issue regarding a bill that could have displaced ownership of a manga series from the mangaka to the magazine publisher. From what I'd heard, Akamatsu cut Negima early in protest.

Basically, from what I understand, the amount of magazine influence would have gone much further than the existing editorial pressure that already exists on manga at present. I'm not certain on this, but there were suggestions that things could have turned into a system where a series would be 'run' by the publisher, and they would appoint mangaka they've hired to work on a particular series - potentially including shifting writers at their call.

Anyone who has seen the sorts of things that have happened with Marvel or DC works having sudden shifts between writers can see why it would have likely had negative results. And then there's the issue of the bill outright shifting ownership of the series by force.

At any rate, the bill fell through, and so Akamatsu eventually came back and started doing more with his works' collective world by writing UQ Holder!
 

alansg

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Ura Mamoru said:
From what I remember, there was an issue regarding a bill that could have displaced ownership of a manga series from the mangaka to the magazine publisher. From what I'd heard, Akamatsu cut Negima early in protest.

Basically, from what I understand, the amount of magazine influence would have gone much further than the existing editorial pressure that already exists on manga at present. I'm not certain on this, but there were suggestions that things could have turned into a system where a series would be 'run' by the publisher, and they would appoint mangaka they've hired to work on a particular series - potentially including shifting writers at their call.

Anyone who has seen the sorts of things that have happened with Marvel or DC works having sudden shifts between writers can see why it would have likely had negative results. And then there's the issue of the bill outright shifting ownership of the series by force.

At any rate, the bill fell through, and so Akamatsu eventually came back and started doing more with his works' collective world by writing UQ Holder!
To add to this, the bills were rejected in part thanks to Akamatsu. At many points during 2012 and 2013 he visited the Japanese congress along with other mangaka like Kentaro Miura and Go Nagai, trying to convince the congressmen that the anti-loli bill (first) and the Marvel-style ownership bill (later) were detrimental for the industry. This also explains why by the end of Negima there were so many breaks.
 

AJ_Katon

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Negima was sacrificed so that the Manga industry didn't become like Marvel and DC. That's the gist right?
 

Antimatter

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AJ_Katon said:
Negima was sacrificed so that the Manga industry didn't become like Marvel and DC. That's the gist right?
That and make the world safe for Ero.

Kind of sucks from a story perspective, but hopefully UQ holder gets around to answering the lingering questions someday.
 

AJ_Katon

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Antimatter said:
AJ_Katon said:
Negima was sacrificed so that the Manga industry didn't become like Marvel and DC. That's the gist right?
That and make the world safe for Ero.

Kind of sucks from a story perspective, but hopefully UQ holder gets around to answering the lingering questions someday.


Godspeed Akamatsu-sensei. Even as you recover with UQ, we will never forget your sacrifice.
 

HotelKatz

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I've been reading a new Manga. it's a WAFF one that's cat-themed.

Nukoduke by Yugi Iro.

Nukos are little cat people, about 6 inches tall or so and look like chibis. (I'm bad at judging and estimating height, so I'm probably really off.)

So this idea is what if the Hinata girls were nukos? That'd make Hina into a cat lady and replace the ecchi-ness with WAFF-ness.

Who doesn't like seeing catgirl Motoko? Her stoic face would be betrayed by her tail, as whenever she tries to act like she doesn't care about Keitaro, her tail reveals her hidden emotions. Her attacks would also lose a lot of their power from her small size. (Would Tsuruko also be a Nuko?)

Imagine a chibi-Catgirl Kitsune using her adorable-ness to score booze and get money for bets. So she'd really benefit from being a nuko.

Shinobu would be a chibi-catgirl who easily cries. No real change, other than her height. I imagine Human-Shinobu would be very jealous of how Nuko-Shinobu can easily snuggle against Keitaro, though.

Naru would lose a lot of power behind her naru punch. Going from sending Keitaro into LEO to only a mere few feet. Her tail would also betray her, like Motoko's.

Su would fall under the same category as Shinobu. No real change, other than her height. Maybe also a complete loss of her weapons as well. So she might fall more into 'eccentric big eater' category.

I don't see much change with Mutsumi for personality. Sure, it means a loss of her trying to hook Naru and Keitaro up, as the promise never happened. I do suspect some of you will pretend to over-react and faux-mourn the loss of her bosom, though.

Sarah falls under the same category as Motoko and Naro. Tsundere easily betrayed by her tail.

Dunno if Kanako would also be a Nuko. Dunno if Haruka would either be a Nuko or a human.

I do have a cute mental image of a human Kanako gushing over the Nuko-hinata girls and being pleased that she doesn't have any rivals for Keitaro's heart.

Unless Su is allowed to keep making inventions and somehow either turns Keitaro into a nuko or give the nuko girls a more human form. But then, we'd be at 'Love Hina, now with cat girls!'
 
That really doesn't appeal at all. Sorry.
 
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