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da_fox2279

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ankokudaishogun said:
especially the really stupid way Jen dies.

I mean, she got hit harder by punches.
Jen? ... SHE-HULK DIED?! By being punched by Thanos?! Oh fuck you Marvel. That just stinks of cheap sales gimmick.
 
She-Hulk died to a random misfire of a missile from War Machine. One missile. Which... seems a bit silly or otherwise idiotic to most of the Fandom, because it really shouldn't be that easy to kill a Hulk.

War Machine ended up with a hole punched in him by Thanos. The whole thing comes across as a very heavy handed way of preventing Carol from actually thinking about her position and getting her to blindly double down.
 
Seriously? She's been hit by the Sentry and not been seriously injured before, but one missile from War Machine took her out?
 

AJ_Katon

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But guys, you're missing the super special awesome reason about that missile:

IT was a Thanos Killing missile.

Eh? Eh?
 

da_fox2279

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AJ_Katon said:
But guys, you're missing the super special awesome reason about that missile:

IT was a Thanos Killing missile.

Eh? Eh?
... ... No, fuck that. Thanos-killing missile or not, She Hulk should have been wounded, maybe seriously. Not killed outright.

Not unless Marvel nerfed her, like saying she's been getting physically weaker since Secret Wars or some crap.

... And now you know that's just what they're going to say...
 

TC_Hazard

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da_fox2279 said:
AJ_Katon said:
But guys, you're missing the super special awesome reason about that missile:

IT was a Thanos Killing missile.

Eh? Eh?
... ... No, fuck that. Thanos-killing missile or not, She Hulk should have been wounded, maybe seriously. Not killed outright.

Not unless Marvel nerfed her, like saying she's been getting physically weaker since Secret Wars or some crap.

... And now you know that's just what they're going to say...
Not really. If you go by that particular assumption (never mind how little sense it makes for War Machine of all people to be packing something like that) then it'd totally kill her.

Thanos is a tank. The amount of shit the guy has taken to the face and survived is ridiculous. Anything that can inconvenience him should outright kill people on She-Hulk's level.
 
Except that anything made to kill Thanos shouldn't leave TRACES of She-Hulk.

It's even weirder she somehow survived enough for the paramedics to arrive and try to save her, while, turned back to human form, she gives last words to Carol(who misunderstands them)

So, yeah. Her death doesn't make any sense. The ONLY way it could work if that missile was full of some de-powering tech, but I can bet whatever you want Bendis is not the one who is going to explain that.
 

TC_Hazard

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Bendis writes fights by fighting game logic. Everyone beats everyone. Doesn't matter how silly it may be.

Which is why the guy should stick to Street level. Anything higher and he'll mess up the power levels.
 
It's interesting, because when we see him before the mission he dies on, Rhodey was complaining about his armor being old and approaching obsolescence. So, having something that could one shot a hulk? Kinda weird. That may be a plot point, but more likely it's just bad writing.
 

shinzero01

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Emerald Oracle said:
It's interesting, because when we see him before the mission he dies on, Rhodey was complaining about his armor being old and approaching obsolescence. So, having something that could one shot a hulk? Kinda weird. That may be a plot point, but more likely it's just bad writing.
Most likely bad writing.
Tends to happen when they're focused on major twists rather than making sense. It's a Bendis thing.
 
Emerald Oracle said:
It's interesting, because when we see him before the mission he dies on, Rhodey was complaining about his armor being old and approaching obsolescence. So, having something that could one shot a hulk? Kinda weird. That may be a plot point, but more likely it's just bad writing.
Which one was he even using? The JRXL-1000 Variable Threat Response Suit? Or the armor he used while part of the Initiative?

Because it was a plot point a few years back that the War Machine was getting to be a bit outdated, so Tony gave Rhodes the Iron Man 2.0 Armor.
 

Prince Charon

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nixofcyzerra said:
Emerald Oracle said:
It's interesting, because when we see him before the mission he dies on, Rhodey was complaining about his armor being old and approaching obsolescence. So, having something that could one shot a hulk? Kinda weird. That may be a plot point, but more likely it's just bad writing.
Which one was he even using? The JRXL-1000 Variable Threat Response Suit? Or the armor he used while part of the Initiative?

Because it was a plot point a few years back that the War Machine was getting to be a bit outdated, so Tony gave Rhodes the Iron Man 2.0 Armor.
So, pretty much bad writing with poor research.
 
Prince Charon said:
So, pretty much bad writing with poor research.
Bad writing with poor reasearch?
With "Bad writing with poor reasearch" you mean Bendis, right?
Bendis as in, the bad writer who does poor reasearch?
Brian Michael Bendis? That Bendis?
 
Wait, is this why they killed off Rhodey?
 

Ordo

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nixofcyzerra said:
Wait, is this why they killed off Rhodey?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-15-year-old-black-girl-is-going-to-replace-tony-stark-1783193133

I'm okay with this, because I've felt for awhile now that it's better to allow heroes to retire, than keep trying to create new stories around them, and eventually driving them away from what makes that character unique. DC has had some success with heroic legacy characters (Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle for example), and Miles Morales and the new Ms. Marvel are doing well at The House of Ideas...so why not let the likes of Tony Stark and Peter Parker retire on top. You can still make use of them for big events and show them making the world a better place (or providing guidance to to the next generation) in new ways.

I'd take this over Scott Summers becoming the tool he was before his disappearance, and Steve Rogers saying 'Hail Hydra'.
 

LORD_ARM

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Ordo said:
nixofcyzerra said:
Wait, is this why they killed off Rhodey?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-15-year-old-black-girl-is-going-to-replace-tony-stark-1783193133

I'm okay with this, because I've felt for awhile now that it's better to allow heroes to retire, than keep trying to create new stories around them, and eventually driving them away from what makes that character unique. DC has had some success with heroic legacy characters (Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle for example), and Miles Morales and the new Ms. Marvel are doing well at The House of Ideas...so why not let the likes of Tony Stark and Peter Parker retire on top. You can still make use of them for big events and show them making the world a better place (or providing guidance to to the next generation) in new ways.

I'd take this over Scott Summers becoming the tool he was before his disappearance, and Steve Rogers saying 'Hail Hydra'.
Why would Peter retired. There nothing his life that would make him quit.  Saying there another Spider-Man  is no excuse.  There's been plenty of other spider power superheroes out there before. None of them has stopped Peter from being Spider-Man.

Tony on-the-other-hand has done enough damage in and out of costume that maybe he should retire or step away for a bit from being a superheroes.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
He lost his leg in the Spider-Girl backstory.

Not that he didn't keep helping in some way, but it's a reason why he could retire.
 
Yeah, but this is after the whole all-new thing, so what exactly Tony's done is kind of a mystery right now. I mean, were there references to Civil War 1 during Civil War 2? Is Tony's time as the Superior Iron Man after his morality was inverted still in continuity?

Plus, this is this coming right after Civil War 2, and iirc, Tony is on the moral side in this one, isn't he? He's on the side that thinks punishing people for stuff they haven't done yet is wrong, right?

Plus, killing off Rhodes just before she's introduced makes me feel like there's a "one black person" limit or something, which doesn't sit right with me.
 

Ordo

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LORD_ARM said:
Ordo said:
nixofcyzerra said:
Wait, is this why they killed off Rhodey?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-15-year-old-black-girl-is-going-to-replace-tony-stark-1783193133

I'm okay with this, because I've felt for awhile now that it's better to allow heroes to retire, than keep trying to create new stories around them, and eventually driving them away from what makes that character unique. DC has had some success with heroic legacy characters (Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle for example), and Miles Morales and the new Ms. Marvel are doing well at The House of Ideas...so why not let the likes of Tony Stark and Peter Parker retire on top. You can still make use of them for big events and show them making the world a better place (or providing guidance to to the next generation) in new ways.

I'd take this over Scott Summers becoming the tool he was before his disappearance, and Steve Rogers saying 'Hail Hydra'.
Why would Peter retired.
Because he can do more good with his business than he can in costume.

Meta reason - I'm tired of the cycle, of another author coming in after Peter's made great strides in his personal and/or professional life and deciding he needs to be reduced to barely scrapping by again, or losing his wife and child. Because Chris Claremont planned for X-Men to retire from the front lines and allow new heroes to rise, and I feel that is a good model for comics in general.

Because a story needs an end, and it shouldn't always end in death, dishonor, or self destruction for our heroes.
 

Ordo

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Huh...apparently Miles Morales dad is a former SHIELD agent....and he's just rejoined to protect his vigilante son.....I like this idea...keep going.
 

da_fox2279

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LORD_ARM said:

I am a bit surprised to see Viv there.
I recognize everyone but the green/blond chick... who dat?
 

LORD_ARM

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Ordo said:
LORD_ARM said:
Ordo said:
nixofcyzerra said:
Wait, is this why they killed off Rhodey?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-15-year-old-black-girl-is-going-to-replace-tony-stark-1783193133

I'm okay with this, because I've felt for awhile now that it's better to allow heroes to retire, than keep trying to create new stories around them, and eventually driving them away from what makes that character unique. DC has had some success with heroic legacy characters (Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle for example), and Miles Morales and the new Ms. Marvel are doing well at The House of Ideas...so why not let the likes of Tony Stark and Peter Parker retire on top. You can still make use of them for big events and show them making the world a better place (or providing guidance to to the next generation) in new ways.

I'd take this over Scott Summers becoming the tool he was before his disappearance, and Steve Rogers saying 'Hail Hydra'.
Why would Peter retired.
Because he can do more good with his business than he can in costume.

Meta reason - I'm tired of the cycle, of another author coming in after Peter's made great strides in his personal and/or professional life and deciding he needs to be reduced to barely scrapping by again, or losing his wife and child. Because Chris Claremont planned for X-Men to retire from the front lines and allow new heroes to rise, and I feel that is a good model for comics in general.

Because a story needs an end, and it shouldn't always end in death, dishonor, or self destruction for our heroes.
You can say the same thing about Batman too, but you don't see people saying that he should retire.


In all seriousness, Marvel will never replace Peter Parker.  He might die/retired/sent to the Shadow Realm and Miles becomes the main Spider-Man, it's not going to be for every long.  It might take a few years or a few mouths  soon or later Peter Parker will come back as Spider-Man.  There just too much money and brand recognition attached to Peter as Spider-Man to just end it forever.  

If you don't like how authors doing with Peter, then just don't buy the book.

P.S.
The girl to the right is the Vision daughter Viv.
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
LORD_ARM said:
P.S.
The girl to the right is the Vision daughter Viv.
The Vision had a daughter?! Fucking-A, man. You miss a few... years of comics, and everything goes topsy-turvy.
 
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