Naruto Naruto Petpeeves
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I find it annoying when Naruto keeps pranking regularly after becoming a genin, just for the heck of it. Naruto never pranked people because he was some mischievous little trickster who likes messing with people, he did it because he had no friends and too much free time, was desperate for attention and as a way to get revenge on people. That's why the pranking stopped after he got a surrogate family in his teammates and sensei and was taking missions regularly.
I think Foxie-sama had Naruto put it best, in For the Love of My Friends Chapter 43:
Naruto might have been an immature little ass at times, but he did stop with the pranks on the village as a whole. I can see him pulling small pranks on his friends occasionally, though.
Naruto might have been an immature little ass at times, but he did stop with the pranks on the village as a whole. I can see him pulling small pranks on his friends occasionally, though.
Pranking is listed as one of his hobbies even in the third databook IIRC so he must still do it to some degree but the idea that he's running around the village pulling pranks post-graduation does annoy me.
I've just realised that what really gets me about this is when Naruto has the realisation that making a trap is just like setting up a prank "and then [insert character(s) here] felt a shudder run down their spine".
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I've just realised that what really gets me about this is when Naruto has the realisation that making a trap is just like setting up a prank "and then [insert character(s) here] felt a shudder run down their spine".
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Naruto pranked Yamato when they were on Turtle Island (with a little assist from Bee). Read the first six pages here.
So, I don't think he completely forsook his pranking ways after graduation, just reigned them in. And besides, he damn near saved the world with a prank. So, yeah...
So, I don't think he completely forsook his pranking ways after graduation, just reigned them in. And besides, he damn near saved the world with a prank. So, yeah...
Yeah I'm also fine with spontaneous silly pranks like that. It's when Naruto is spending hours planning out elaborate rube goldberg contraptions and secretly setting up dozens of juvenile booby traps in the homes of everyone who ever looked at him funny, or he's still doing petty vandalism like defacing the Hokage Monument, that I get sick of it.
So basically, a ninja version of Dennis the Menace. I used to love Dennis as a kid, but goddamn, looking back, he was an irritating little shite.
I, too, hate Naruto being a prankster after becoming a Genin. Just seems so stupid. I'd much prefer if he verbally/mentally fucked with people spontaneously. Not to the degree where he's a douchenozzle, but enough that people know "hey, here's a funny guy."
I, too, hate Naruto being a prankster after becoming a Genin. Just seems so stupid. I'd much prefer if he verbally/mentally fucked with people spontaneously. Not to the degree where he's a douchenozzle, but enough that people know "hey, here's a funny guy."
Seduction missions: look if you have mind walkers, genjutsu, 360° X-ray eyes, bugs that can gather info and alcohol but you still need to force your kunoichi to act as hookers you just suck, plain and simple.
Kidnapped kunoichi broodmare: unnecessarily grimderp, I'm sure Kumo has the know-how to harvest genetic and reproductive material to impregnate their own kunoichis. At worst they will keep you in a golden cage to study you and rob you of the chance to have a family of your own/kill you but they are ruthlessly pragmatics not recklessly cynico-nihilistic chaotic stupid monsters.
Cute little rookie genins being suspicious of Kabuto: the guy has infiltrated every village and is at the time at the very least a triple agent (Konoha, Orochimaru, Sasori), he knows what he is doing methinks.
Edit: D-rank missions. First: you can't chain them and do 3 of them in a day. Rock Lee did 25 by the time of the chuunin exams, so 2 a week before you go do C-ranks and then 1 sometime when you get the urge strikes me as a good template for a genin team that trains a lot. Second: they are here to teach cute little rookies how to interact with the client and the village administration, as well as learning to work together and trust your teammates to pull their weights. They aren't punishment, chores and there is no "underneath the underneath" l33t combat skillz to gain from them. Just a bit of easing up in the life of a ninja/easy way to get pocket money.
Edit2: Chakra Control. Ohmygod chakra control. It's not a single stat to grind where just adding silly things to a random excercise it will make your fireball cost half as much chakra but be twice as big. Also the bunshin: if Naruto had some idea on how chakra worked and had accomplished tree-walking he would have managed it, it's not forever out of his reach. And Sakura wasn't born with perfect chakra control, nor does her smaller reserve mean she has automatically better control (though I guess it can help), she's just a bookworm who knows a lot more about her body and chakra than her two bullheaded teammates. Kakashi just says that despite Sasuke/Naruto struggling more than her, they have way greater reserve and thus way more potential, that's all.
Edit3: I'm on a roll: fics where some genins throws ninjutsu around as if they were Kakashi. You really need to be able to justify it if you have some 10 years old throw around 6 C-ranks split between 2 or 3 elements.
Kidnapped kunoichi broodmare: unnecessarily grimderp, I'm sure Kumo has the know-how to harvest genetic and reproductive material to impregnate their own kunoichis. At worst they will keep you in a golden cage to study you and rob you of the chance to have a family of your own/kill you but they are ruthlessly pragmatics not recklessly cynico-nihilistic chaotic stupid monsters.
Cute little rookie genins being suspicious of Kabuto: the guy has infiltrated every village and is at the time at the very least a triple agent (Konoha, Orochimaru, Sasori), he knows what he is doing methinks.
Edit: D-rank missions. First: you can't chain them and do 3 of them in a day. Rock Lee did 25 by the time of the chuunin exams, so 2 a week before you go do C-ranks and then 1 sometime when you get the urge strikes me as a good template for a genin team that trains a lot. Second: they are here to teach cute little rookies how to interact with the client and the village administration, as well as learning to work together and trust your teammates to pull their weights. They aren't punishment, chores and there is no "underneath the underneath" l33t combat skillz to gain from them. Just a bit of easing up in the life of a ninja/easy way to get pocket money.
Edit2: Chakra Control. Ohmygod chakra control. It's not a single stat to grind where just adding silly things to a random excercise it will make your fireball cost half as much chakra but be twice as big. Also the bunshin: if Naruto had some idea on how chakra worked and had accomplished tree-walking he would have managed it, it's not forever out of his reach. And Sakura wasn't born with perfect chakra control, nor does her smaller reserve mean she has automatically better control (though I guess it can help), she's just a bookworm who knows a lot more about her body and chakra than her two bullheaded teammates. Kakashi just says that despite Sasuke/Naruto struggling more than her, they have way greater reserve and thus way more potential, that's all.
Edit3: I'm on a roll: fics where some genins throws ninjutsu around as if they were Kakashi. You really need to be able to justify it if you have some 10 years old throw around 6 C-ranks split between 2 or 3 elements.
Seduction missions could still be useful even in a world with genjutsu and x-ray vision, but the ninja wouldn't use them on their enemies. No, seduction would only be good for manipulating allies or other people who you wouldn't dare use ninjutsu on because the consequences of being caught would be politically disastrous. For example, trying to weasel information from a diplomat from an allied shinobi village, or curry favor from the nobles in the Fire Lord's court. Also seduction shouldn't be a kunoichi only job, there are at least a few powerful women in the Narutoverse as well. I'm sure more than a few male ninja spies have tried to work their way into Mei Terumi's panties.
So yeah the ninja would still try to seduce each other. Because getting caught trying to brainwash a rival kage with genjutsu would lead to war, but getting caught trying to loosen that Kage's lips with alcohol and the promise of a good time is merely embarrassing.
So yeah the ninja would still try to seduce each other. Because getting caught trying to brainwash a rival kage with genjutsu would lead to war, but getting caught trying to loosen that Kage's lips with alcohol and the promise of a good time is merely embarrassing.
I don't see why it would only be 'merely embarassing'. The inherent ridiculousness of that kind of attempt aside, you're still trying to make a foreign leader fork over important secrets. I don't see why the consequences would be different.
There's a larger chance you'd fail, of course, but that's about it.
Even more, I still can't see why seduction methods are needed when you have mind-readers. Or if you can raise the dead and force them to do your bidding. Or look through every wall with perfect clarity in 360 degrees, and more.
That's just the options we know are available in canon, that I thought of in a minute; I'm sure there's more.
There's a larger chance you'd fail, of course, but that's about it.
Even more, I still can't see why seduction methods are needed when you have mind-readers. Or if you can raise the dead and force them to do your bidding. Or look through every wall with perfect clarity in 360 degrees, and more.
That's just the options we know are available in canon, that I thought of in a minute; I'm sure there's more.
Let's be honest, we often tend to look at the shinobi in Naruto like the shinobi in Basilisk or Ninja Scroll.
Bad idea. Lets stick to treating them like Mighty Molding Psionic Rangers, despite Kishimoto's occasional visits into grimdark territory (Uchiha clan massacre, Kiri's situation, Orochimaru's Mad Science'ing)
Bad idea. Lets stick to treating them like Mighty Molding Psionic Rangers, despite Kishimoto's occasional visits into grimdark territory (Uchiha clan massacre, Kiri's situation, Orochimaru's Mad Science'ing)
'cause most chakra based stuff can be defended against.
Furthermore, if you're caught, well, you just started some major shit.
Now, trying your luck while having drinks? Can't get you pinned down for anything, because you were just having drinks and the other guy happened to blurt out important stuff.
Were you hoping for the guy to mess up? Yeah, but he hanged himself there. You literally did nothing wrong.
Basically, there is something to be said for the approach where you don't actually use your magic powers on the other guy to get what you want.
Now, when you are in outright war, yeah sure. Go nuts. Mind rape your prisoners and put them in genjutsu to use them as suicide bombers and what not.
Furthermore, if you're caught, well, you just started some major shit.
Now, trying your luck while having drinks? Can't get you pinned down for anything, because you were just having drinks and the other guy happened to blurt out important stuff.
Were you hoping for the guy to mess up? Yeah, but he hanged himself there. You literally did nothing wrong.
Basically, there is something to be said for the approach where you don't actually use your magic powers on the other guy to get what you want.
Now, when you are in outright war, yeah sure. Go nuts. Mind rape your prisoners and put them in genjutsu to use them as suicide bombers and what not.
I was mostly speaking of making seduction missions something every kunoichi should be prepared for and a reality of their lives and maybe even an obligation for the extra grimderp. I shoud have precised.
Though I like to think that anyone who would speak of scrt srs bsns because of alcohol/to impress dem ladies doesn't, in fact, have any sort of relevant/important knowledge.
Though I like to think that anyone who would speak of scrt srs bsns because of alcohol/to impress dem ladies doesn't, in fact, have any sort of relevant/important knowledge.
Nah, but talking shit while drinking is politics.
You're thinking it in terms of "Shoot, you were trying to get me drunk to spill this very important secret just now. Prepare to die!"
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Unless the other guy is a huge moron.
Most likely scenario, you got two guys in a meeting and while drinking one manages to get the other one to spill something minor without realizing it. Which is enough for the other village to put the pieces together to gain strategic advantage.
Now the other guy could go all, "You are spying on me!" but he has literally nothing to stand on since the thing is his damn fault he let things slip.
He could try to kill the other ninja, but then he could risk starting shit. Big political shit that could create a war because he fucked up.
Ninja are assassins, but Ninja villages are pretty much City States.
If their first answer to everything was going for the ninja magic... there'd have been a hell lot more than three ninja wars (Think the Clan Era).
You're thinking it in terms of "Shoot, you were trying to get me drunk to spill this very important secret just now. Prepare to die!"
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Unless the other guy is a huge moron.
Most likely scenario, you got two guys in a meeting and while drinking one manages to get the other one to spill something minor without realizing it. Which is enough for the other village to put the pieces together to gain strategic advantage.
Now the other guy could go all, "You are spying on me!" but he has literally nothing to stand on since the thing is his damn fault he let things slip.
He could try to kill the other ninja, but then he could risk starting shit. Big political shit that could create a war because he fucked up.
Ninja are assassins, but Ninja villages are pretty much City States.
If their first answer to everything was going for the ninja magic... there'd have been a hell lot more than three ninja wars (Think the Clan Era).
Keep in mind that this is a world where there exist doujutsu-users and sensor-nin who can literally just look at a dude and go "Yup, he's under a genjutsu. And hey, that chakra looks/feels familiar. I think I know who cast it on him, let's go arrest her."
Basically, using genjutsu for espionage is risky. Sure it's effective, but chakra is detectable and leaves a trail the ninja CSI team can follow right back to you.
Now if you're with the Torture and Interrogation squad and are ripping info out of the head of a prisoner of war that's no big deal. But if you are an undercover agent deep in foreign territory... well, seducing and emotionally manipulating some bureaucrat with a security clearance until he's whispering classified sweet nothings in your ear - that's harder to catch, harder to prove, and the victim will catch a lot of the blame for being stupid and gullible enough to fall for the ruse so there will be less fallout for your village if you are caught.
Because the person who gets seduced and reveals secrets to the enemy will take most of the blame.
If Kumo kidnaps a Konoha ninja and mind-rapes them, that makes Kumo look like warmongers. Everyone else sides with Konoha. But if a Kumo spy seduces a high-ranking Konoha ninja, he falls in love with her and soon he's revealing classified info during pillow talk... that makes Konoha look stupid. Nobody forced him to reveal that info, and Konoha can't threaten war or demand reparations because one of their own voluntarily revealed classified info. At worst it's politically embarrassing for Kumo.
So far as we know, mind-reading, raising the dead, and looking through walls are all exclusive to Konoha. It may well be that all those super hax espionage jutsu are actually really rare.
Also we do know the villages still practice non-magical espionage. Take for example, Kabuto. Dude is the greatest secret agent who ever spied it up in the ninja world. And so far we know, he had no leet mind-reading, genjutsu or x-ray vision skills. He's just a master of good-old-fashioned acting, social engineering and information gathering. A seduction expert as skilled as Kabuto would be an amazing asset for a ninja village.
Basically, using genjutsu for espionage is risky. Sure it's effective, but chakra is detectable and leaves a trail the ninja CSI team can follow right back to you.
Now if you're with the Torture and Interrogation squad and are ripping info out of the head of a prisoner of war that's no big deal. But if you are an undercover agent deep in foreign territory... well, seducing and emotionally manipulating some bureaucrat with a security clearance until he's whispering classified sweet nothings in your ear - that's harder to catch, harder to prove, and the victim will catch a lot of the blame for being stupid and gullible enough to fall for the ruse so there will be less fallout for your village if you are caught.
Because the person who gets seduced and reveals secrets to the enemy will take most of the blame.
If Kumo kidnaps a Konoha ninja and mind-rapes them, that makes Kumo look like warmongers. Everyone else sides with Konoha. But if a Kumo spy seduces a high-ranking Konoha ninja, he falls in love with her and soon he's revealing classified info during pillow talk... that makes Konoha look stupid. Nobody forced him to reveal that info, and Konoha can't threaten war or demand reparations because one of their own voluntarily revealed classified info. At worst it's politically embarrassing for Kumo.
So far as we know, mind-reading, raising the dead, and looking through walls are all exclusive to Konoha. It may well be that all those super hax espionage jutsu are actually really rare.
Also we do know the villages still practice non-magical espionage. Take for example, Kabuto. Dude is the greatest secret agent who ever spied it up in the ninja world. And so far we know, he had no leet mind-reading, genjutsu or x-ray vision skills. He's just a master of good-old-fashioned acting, social engineering and information gathering. A seduction expert as skilled as Kabuto would be an amazing asset for a ninja village.