Naruto No Rules, No Rulers [Naruto/High School DxD]
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Said example and Diodora Astaroth's peerages prove that the rules aren't that effective.
While Issei's death seemed enivitable, I just don't like the idea that Rias pops a piece in the others at the last minute when she could have popped up a minute before and got them some emergency medicine.
...it's not like they have a choice. If a member of a peerage runs away, it's labeled as a stray devil and hunted down, remember?
While Issei's death seemed enivitable, I just don't like the idea that Rias pops a piece in the others at the last minute when she could have popped up a minute before and got them some emergency medicine.
...it's not like they have a choice. If a member of a peerage runs away, it's labeled as a stray devil and hunted down, remember?
More like, they need pure minded people if they don't intend to end up with plenty of fallen angels. Irina tends to waver into black wings when she starts thinking of Issei and baby making.
Not that Irina can't have said babies, they just need to go into it for pure purposes of procreation and love after some rituals to lower their "dirty" thoughts and get into proper mood by those standards.
Not that Irina can't have said babies, they just need to go into it for pure purposes of procreation and love after some rituals to lower their "dirty" thoughts and get into proper mood by those standards.
Uh-huh. And it's not just Diodora being just plain 'lulz evulz', because he was written that way. He seems more like the type to put on a facade to show the world he's an upright and upstanding devil who follows the rul-oh wait.
You don't like the fact, except that's exactly what happens, which is why its fact.
Also, it's not like Rias just so happens to be carrying any sort of so-called 'emergency medicine' on her person. And the time it takes for Rias to make a teleportation circle to bring them medical attention, they'll already be dead by then, more or less forcing her to use a Piece to save them anyway. She could certainly try to heal them, but depending on how far gone they were, it would still be moot, even more so if she shucked her clothes to apply the stronger version by skin-to-skin contact right there on the goddamn snow, or the middle of street or in an abandoned church.
Oh fucking gee, Kiba sure got labeled a stray devil and hunted down because he ran away from his Peerage in pursuit of his own agenda, wasn't he.
You don't like the fact, except that's exactly what happens, which is why its fact.
Also, it's not like Rias just so happens to be carrying any sort of so-called 'emergency medicine' on her person. And the time it takes for Rias to make a teleportation circle to bring them medical attention, they'll already be dead by then, more or less forcing her to use a Piece to save them anyway. She could certainly try to heal them, but depending on how far gone they were, it would still be moot, even more so if she shucked her clothes to apply the stronger version by skin-to-skin contact right there on the goddamn snow, or the middle of street or in an abandoned church.
Oh fucking gee, Kiba sure got labeled a stray devil and hunted down because he ran away from his Peerage in pursuit of his own agenda, wasn't he.
Outliers do not define a set. Find more examples, like a pervading trend within devil society, and then we'll talk about this. You won't find it though because that's not what Ishibumi was going for.
Right, because Rias carries a magical defibrillator around in her purse, right between her wallet and her cell phone. :snigger: Oh, and it has miracle cure-all powers that works on everything from poison gas to stab wounds.
Please think about your arguments before you make them.
You completely ignored my point that they probably do have a choice because the ruling powers want willing servants who want to climb the power structure and become more high-class devils, number one. Number two, there are exactly two stray devils in the whole series, three if you count the anime. Of those, one (or two) are power-crazed monsters eating human souls, and the third was charged with murdering her master. "Running away" is not demonstrated to be a trigger condition for this status.
Right, because Rias carries a magical defibrillator around in her purse, right between her wallet and her cell phone. :snigger: Oh, and it has miracle cure-all powers that works on everything from poison gas to stab wounds.
Please think about your arguments before you make them.
You completely ignored my point that they probably do have a choice because the ruling powers want willing servants who want to climb the power structure and become more high-class devils, number one. Number two, there are exactly two stray devils in the whole series, three if you count the anime. Of those, one (or two) are power-crazed monsters eating human souls, and the third was charged with murdering her master. "Running away" is not demonstrated to be a trigger condition for this status.
And I'm pretty sure that the normal means of a Devil getting a member of their peerage involves them asking people if they wish to join. Rias is different because the people that joined her had no place else to go and was in no position to deny her, but they still chose to join.
Nasu, I'm starting to think that you just have a negative opinion for DxD Devils in general. There are only a few Devils that don't go with the established system one of the 4 Satans made and they are very polarizing just for being so fucking evil. You really can't judge Rias's unintentional method of getting members when she hasn't done anything necessarily bad to get them.
On another note, how goes it with the next chapter MoB? Did you find a good way to portray Naruto's POV concerning this whole debacle with Rias?
Nasu, I'm starting to think that you just have a negative opinion for DxD Devils in general. There are only a few Devils that don't go with the established system one of the 4 Satans made and they are very polarizing just for being so fucking evil. You really can't judge Rias's unintentional method of getting members when she hasn't done anything necessarily bad to get them.
On another note, how goes it with the next chapter MoB? Did you find a good way to portray Naruto's POV concerning this whole debacle with Rias?
Basically, if you see one time where Rias appears to be acting like a manipulative bitch but all the other times she appears she's a loving and wonderful person, it is probably better to interpret the outlier in terms of her real characterization rather than saying "See, this one time Rias appears to have possibly been acting like a bitch depending on your point of view is her true character!" The same goes for devil society and most other things.
That depends on how you handle the situation. Showing the scene prominently from Rias's perspective would probably help - make her confusion obvious, lay the facts out for the reader the way she sees them so that Naruto doesn't come across as a mouthpiece of righteous indignation. Otherwise most of your readers will probably assume that Naruto is automatically in the right just because he's upset - that's how the FF.net fanbase tends to operate, sadly.
To be fair, I thought that you actually were going to have her be some sort of manipulative bitch who had a plan for everything. On both Naruto's and her perspective. I guess it's much more...tolerance is too weak a word... acceptable, I guess, if it is instead some huge misunderstanding and incorrect facts that, hopefully, gets corrected or straightened out.
I've browsed through enough DxD xover badfics where the protagonist/author SI, with way too many tags than appropriately necessary, bashes on Rias by having everything she's ever done in her life be wrong, constantly undermining her struggles/achievements by calling her a manipulative bitch/spoiled brat, and then having Rias bend over and just take it 'just because the main character is the paragon of virtue and what's right and she's not', and then maybe be a member of their harem, which is obviously better than Issei's because 'the protagonist is an ineffable author SI who can do no wrong/a tragic figure trying to understand themselves' and Issei's just a worthless pervert who was given everything on a silver platter, despite the fact he actually had to struggle to get to the level where he was.
I've browsed through enough DxD xover badfics where the protagonist/author SI, with way too many tags than appropriately necessary, bashes on Rias by having everything she's ever done in her life be wrong, constantly undermining her struggles/achievements by calling her a manipulative bitch/spoiled brat, and then having Rias bend over and just take it 'just because the main character is the paragon of virtue and what's right and she's not', and then maybe be a member of their harem, which is obviously better than Issei's because 'the protagonist is an ineffable author SI who can do no wrong/a tragic figure trying to understand themselves' and Issei's just a worthless pervert who was given everything on a silver platter, despite the fact he actually had to struggle to get to the level where he was.
The way things were supposed to go down, was Naruto is immensely distrusting towards Rias, and is consistently pulling pranks on the ORC to gauge their reactions. It was supposed to all come to a head after the incident with Asia, at which point both sides explode at each other and things get, mostly, resolved. Naturally there would still be some underlying tension, and in no way would the two become fast friends.
Then you'll want to show the confrontation from both of their perspectives. You'll also probably want to add a note in the authors' notes that Naruto is completely in the wrong just to make it extra-clear to your readers that you're not taking his side or using him as a mouthpiece. (Remember kids, only you can kill bad fanon!)
I would also expect Rias to forgive Naruto pretty quickly once the misunderstanding is cleared up, and Naruto can make friends with just about anyone. If Naruto is acting against them because he thought a friend was in trouble... that's a thing Rias can sympathize with.
I would also expect Rias to forgive Naruto pretty quickly once the misunderstanding is cleared up, and Naruto can make friends with just about anyone. If Naruto is acting against them because he thought a friend was in trouble... that's a thing Rias can sympathize with.
I have a negative opinion for politicians. What you see is me playing the devil's advocate and saying that the devils ain't perfect. You guys say that Astaroth's was one of the odd ones that didn't conformed to the rules? Let me ask you, how many Peerage's have we seen? Six, wasn't it? Two of which were treated as the owner's harem.
Take it as you will.
...except I don't see his pranks being all that effective inside the ORC after a certain point. They might be hiding the facts that they are devils, but I don't think that Rias isn't incapable to set up something that could ruin Naruto's pranking run. A simple video of Naruto setting up a prank in the ORC is enough to land him some official disciplinary action by itself.
Take it as you will.
...except I don't see his pranks being all that effective inside the ORC after a certain point. They might be hiding the facts that they are devils, but I don't think that Rias isn't incapable to set up something that could ruin Naruto's pranking run. A simple video of Naruto setting up a prank in the ORC is enough to land him some official disciplinary action by itself.
The problem is that you're taking isolated incidents and turning them into defining trends in the interest of painting the characters in a negative light. That's character bashing (or in this case faction bashing).
Mind you, I wouldn't mind the factions being a little more rounded out with more defined flaws than they are demonstrated to have, but this is not the way to do it. Painting the peerage system as systemized slavery goes way past the devils being flawed and into the realm of moustache-twirling evil.
And in only one of those are the girls indicated to be abused or mistreated at all. Raiser's pieces don't show any signs of being anything less than 100% loyal to him regardless of Raiser's own character flaws. Once again, the outlier does not define the set.
Mind you, I wouldn't mind the factions being a little more rounded out with more defined flaws than they are demonstrated to have, but this is not the way to do it. Painting the peerage system as systemized slavery goes way past the devils being flawed and into the realm of moustache-twirling evil.
And in only one of those are the girls indicated to be abused or mistreated at all. Raiser's pieces don't show any signs of being anything less than 100% loyal to him regardless of Raiser's own character flaws. Once again, the outlier does not define the set.