Naruto No Rules, No Rulers [Naruto/High School DxD]

[Jomasten]

Nasu, I'm starting to think that you just have a negative opinion for DxD Devils in general.

I have a negative opinion for politicians. What you see is me playing the devil's advocate and saying that the devils ain't perfect. You guys say that Astaroth's was one of the odd ones that didn't conformed to the rules? Let me ask you, how many Peerage's have we seen? Six, wasn't it? Two of which were treated as the owner's harem.

Take it as you will.

HOW IS THIS IN ANYWAY RELATED TO DEVIL SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. You just literally spouted two things before you went for an actual reply that didn't even relate to the post you're replying to.

Riser's harem is that it's purely love and loyalty to him, plus Ravel. Diodora's is comprised of FORMER NUNS HE KIDNAPPED AND BROKE IN LIKE A SICK RANCHER BREAKING-IN WILD HORSES.

Oh fucking gee, Kiba sure got labeled a stray devil and hunted down because he ran away from his Peerage in pursuit of his own agenda, wasn't he.

Stray Devils
Stray Devils (はぐれ悪魔 Hagure Akuma) are Devils who have diverted away from their masters. Without their masters to keep their powers in check, they become a great threat if their powers go beyond their control. The Devils take this case very seriously, and any Devil who becomes a Stray will be killed on the spot. The only known Stray Devils in the series are Viser and Kuroka, the latter coming from the Vali Team.

Don't quote me the wiki article when I've already read it several times and think it's a legitimate answer, when it doesn't even answer why Kiba wasn't immediately hunted down as a stray. And it only mentions two cases of actual Strays, and maybe touches up on procedures to how one becomes a stray.

Viser became a stray when she killed her King and went on a rampage off-screen because of her blood lust. Kuroka's is, while similar in that she killed her King as well, entirely different in reasoning and motive[/quote]. None of this even remotely answers my sarcasm

 

[Nasuren]

Don't quote me the wiki article when I've already read it several times and think it's a legitimate answer, when it doesn't even answer why Kiba wasn't immediately hunted down as a stray.

He could have been:

“I won’t forgive you if you leave me! You are the “Knight” of the Gremory group. I will also be troubled if you turn into an “exiled”. Wait this instant!”

“Of course. Buchou would get sad if you were to go around in a rampage. Well, the fact that I made this plan by myself will cause trouble to Buchou as well. But it’s better than you becoming an “exiled”, right? Well it turned out to be a success, since we made an agreement with those guys from the Church.”

From what I figured out from the High School DxD: Names and Terminology Guidelines on Baka-Tsuki is exiled devils= stray devils.

 

[datakim]

The one thing thats a bit unclear to me is that this is apparently a post-series Naruto, after the whole sage-powerup-thing and having 9 bijuu stuck in him?

If so, how does Naruto get such an utterly mistaken impression of Rias, considering the whole "sense evil, malice and negativity" thing Kurama has?

Unless that was already explained and I missed it?

 

[Nasuren]

The one thing thats a bit unclear to me is that this is apparently a post-series Naruto, after the whole sage-powerup-thing and having 9 bijuu stuck in him?

If so, how does Naruto get such an utterly mistaken impression of Rias, considering the whole "sense evil, malice and negativity" thing Kurama has?

Unless that was already explained and I missed it?

Kurama's power is inaccessible to Naruto, and IIRC Naruto's sense malice is only available in his Jinchuriki form.

 

[Yorae Rasante]

Well, I'll repeat what I said, to avoid it being bashing just make us see things in Rias' point of view too, so the reader knows Naruto is actually wrong. How his reasoning goes wrong is up with you, but I personally don't think he has much.

Also, in response to what was said earlier about Rias using her healing abilities on the fying instead of turning them, it was said right in the beginning that the reason she could cure Issei was because he was not only already a devil but also a member of her clan.

 

[Smuthunter]

Don't quote me the wiki article when I've already read it several times and think it's a legitimate answer, when it doesn't even answer why Kiba wasn't immediately hunted down as a stray.

He could have been:

“I won’t forgive you if you leave me! You are the “Knight” of the Gremory group. I will also be troubled if you turn into an “exiled”. Wait this instant!”

“Of course. Buchou would get sad if you were to go around in a rampage. Well, the fact that I made this plan by myself will cause trouble to Buchou as well. But it’s better than you becoming an “exiled”, right? Well it turned out to be a success, since we made an agreement with those guys from the Church.”

From what I figured out from the High School DxD: Names and Terminology Guidelines on Baka-Tsuki is exiled devils= stray devils.

Baka-Tsuki's translation is rather slapdash, which is problematic because it's the only one we have. Given the context what she's probably worried about is that Kiba will be consumed by his quest for vengeance and wind up either getting himself killed or causing an inter-faction incident, not just that he isn't following her orders anymore.

 

[Jomasten]

Don't quote me the wiki article when I've already read it several times and think it's a legitimate answer, when it doesn't even answer why Kiba wasn't immediately hunted down as a stray.

He could have been:

“I won’t forgive you if you leave me! You are the “Knight” of the Gremory group. I will also be troubled if you turn into an “exiled”. Wait this instant!”

“Of course. Buchou would get sad if you were to go around in a rampage. Well, the fact that I made this plan by myself will cause trouble to Buchou as well. But it’s better than you becoming an “exiled”, right? Well it turned out to be a success, since we made an agreement with those guys from the Church.”

From what I figured out from the High School DxD: Names and Terminology Guidelines on Baka-Tsuki is exiled devils= stray devils.

That's a weak answer, and it doesn't tell me much; I know the context, but this doesn't present me a reasoning why the Evil Piece is 'akin to slavery', as you've been aptly putting it! In fact, if you're just reduced to using quotes to give a farce of a reply instead of, say, an actual answer based on actual facts instead of personal bias, let me quote Smuthunter on this same conversation.

...it's not like they have a choice. If a member of a peerage runs away, it's labeled as a stray devil and hunted down, remember?

You completely ignored my point that they probably do have a choice because the ruling powers want willing servants who want to climb the power structure and become more high-class devils, number one. Number two, there are exactly two stray devils in the whole series, three if you count the anime. Of those, one (or two) are power-crazed monsters eating human souls, and the third was charged with murdering her master. "Running away" is not demonstrated to be a trigger condition for this status.

While the only shown examples so far, the strays that were presented are crazed monster who became drunk on their own power; and in the case of Kuroka, killed her master to protect her sister. If a member of a Peerage is able to kill their Kings, that doesn't exactly present the image of 'total slavery', now does it? And going back to your Diodora example a few posts ago, as a few people have stated, he's an outlier who BROKE IN FORMER NUNS TO BE OBEDIENT SERVANTS TO GET HIS JOLLIES. Riser doesn't even do that! In fact, his SISTER was a willing Bishop, discounting the fact that he wanted a 'little-sister type' in his harem, though he's not a siscon. But she was there of her own volition, and if she had been treated like a slave, Riser would have been beaten down by his own family for doing such a thing

Also, here's an interesting note: Sairaorg Bael, the currently strongest young devil presented so far and heir to the Bael clan, was in fact bullied by Low and Middle class devils because he did not inherit any of the Bael's Power of Destruction, and was shunned by everyone because of this until he found the Nemean lion and clawed his way to the strongest young devil.

Lower and Middle class devils. As in the levels most reincarnated humans would be at. Bullying the scion of a high-class clan.

 

[KurokamiDG]

Actually I think he gained the ability to use that outside of jinchuuriki mode after he got that power up from the sage.

That, and he became a stupidly powerful sensor, but yeah.

 

[Cooltony101neo]

so when will you be done with the next part?

 

[MastaofBitches]

Still haven't started, I'm still slightly confused but I think I get the gist of what I need to do.

 

[datakim]

Kurama's power is inaccessible to Naruto, and IIRC Naruto's sense malice is only available in his Jinchuriki form.

But would it not be available to Kurama 24/7, since its you know, Kuramas power. And it was already shown earlier that Kurama perceives everything happening around Naruto.

So when Naruto starts going all "this chick is evil", should Kurama not go "naah, shes not"? Heck, Naruto could just ask Kurama directly. And can't Naruto go into that mode so he can check himself?

You cannot even use Kurama having problems as an excuse, since Naruto does have a source of Kuramas chakra independent of Kurama (the weaker "KCM" he got during the tug-of-war), so whether Kurama has problems with his yin-part or not, Naruto can always just go into that first mode.

It might not be super-duper-badass super-sage + instant-healer + flying + dark-killer-orbs + 9 bijuu helping-mode, but it does have evil-sensing, which is all that counts here.

 

[Garahs]

I'm thinking if you remove the part where Koneko and Riaz are talking about manipulating Issei you'll be ok. How does Naruto know the energy he's sensing is demonic anyways?

Something to think about: the sage put the juubi Chakra into animals, so kurama could classify as a kitsune.

 

[datakim]

I'm thinking if you remove the part where Koneko and Riaz are talking about manipulating Issei you'll be ok. How does Naruto know the energy he's sensing is demonic anyways?

Something to think about: the sage put the juubi Chakra into animals, so kurama could classify as a kitsune.

Pretty sure the sage just formed totally new chakra beings in the image of animals.

No actual living animals were ever involved. Kurama is a chakra-construct that happens to look like a fox. He is not, and never has been an actual fox.

 

[Nasuren]

I'm thinking if you remove the part where Koneko and Riaz are talking about manipulating Issei you'll be ok. How does Naruto know the energy he's sensing is demonic anyways?

Something to think about: the sage put the juubi Chakra into animals, so kurama could classify as a kitsune.

Pretty sure the sage just formed totally new chakra beings in the image of animals.

No actual living animals were ever involved. Kurama is a chakra-construct that happens to look like a fox. He is not, and never has been an actual fox.

He was a flesh and blood being in the shape of a fox, though.

 

[MastaofBitches]

Right, so to start off with, I write Issei perspective of how he feels like like, then Rias perspective on what happened after Issei's date and then Naruto's opinion on what's happening?

 

[l3fty]

Right, so to start off with, I write Issei perspective of how he feels like like, then Rias perspective on what happened after Issei's date and then Naruto's opinion on what's happening?

That order of introduction to the situation sounds good.

 

[Yorae Rasante]

Sounds good. I'd personally let Rias' for last since she is the one under suspicion by Naruto so we would know the truth if we did Rias' before his, just for milking that last bit of doubt

 

[MastaofBitches]

I put Rias second, because I didn't want people immediately dropping the fic because it looked like it was going to start bashing.

 

[Yorae Rasante]

I agree, that is a possibility... Oh well, I still think the narrative suffers a bit but it is a valid concern.

 

[T.L]

Yes It is a possibility,
But Remember at the end of the day its your story, your narrative.
You can do what ever you want to do.

 

[datakim]

He was a flesh and blood being in the shape of a fox, though.

So? Does not change the fact he is a chakra construct. Essentially a super-shadow clone of sorts that was not just skin deep. Its even explicitly mentioned that his "flesh" was composed of chakra with that thing with the two brothers.

Chakra has been shown to turn into trees, fire, water, all sorts of crazy things. I don't see whats odd about it turning into a flesh imitation of sorts.

In any case, a more obvious example would have been Hachibi, who is actually not a single animal form, but a mix of an octopus and an ox. Obviously no such creature exists, which further proves that the sage simply "imagined" them into being with that whole yin/yang Creation of All Things technique (was probably drunk when he made Hachibi "Right I was making on ox, no wait, an octopus." Hachibi finishes forming. "Well fuck".).

And I think thats enough of that.

 

[AoMythology]

(Off topic, but Creation of All Things isn't exactly Yin-Yang Release.)

 

[MastaofBitches]

Okay, so I keep forgetting about actually starting on the next chapter, and recent... events are making it difficult to get motivated. I'm wondering if I should just skip over Issei's couple of day's off, or have Naruto come over to drop Issei's homework off, and find out what's happened.

So the main issue is I have no idea where I should start from in this chapter. I know I need to include a scene of Rias talking to someone about events, so the audience get's to see her perspective, before Naruto's.

 

[lethum]

Maybe the ORC deals with getting pranked by Naruto and then we find out what the man thinks.

 

[MastaofBitches]

Maybe the ORC deals with getting pranked by Naruto and then we find out what the man thinks.

So, start with Rias explaining what happened to the ORC, she sits down at her desk, and then prank happens. Then cut to Naruto monologuing to himself/Kurama?