Relationship ideas

Old Iron

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lhklan said:
Link/Source/Name. NOW.
PM'd to ye.

Akiyoshi said:
The Wolkenritter are DIGIMON O_O!
Okay, I laughed way too hard at that. XD

And it sounds like Nanoha wasn't exactly good on her promise to get him out of the office more. But that does sound rather in character for her. So long as no one is hurting or needs something in a way she can perceive, Nanoha seems like she'd forget or put it off until later so she can deal with people who are in some sort of perceptible need.

Hayate and Vita seem more likely to be proactive on that front. Fate as well if you can set it up right. Nanoha's pretty reactive in many cases in my opinion.
 
Old Iron said:
And it sounds like Nanoha wasn't exactly good on her promise to get him out of the office more.
I don't recall her making any such promise. The promise for more heart-to-hearts could have been fufilled after the original season, before Chrono summoned Yuuno away from Earth to board the Arthra.

The one failure to drag him out of the office was just one failure. She might have had various successes that Seven Arcs didn't see fit to cover in any media.
 

Old Iron

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Sunder the Gold said:
I don't recall her making any such promise. The promise for more heart-to-hearts could have been fufilled after the original season, before Chrono summoned Yuuno away from Earth to board the Arthra.

The one failure to drag him out of the office was just one failure. She might have had various successes that Seven Arcs didn't see fit to cover in any media.
That's a very good point. I hadn't considered that side of things. Hmm... Such a possibility does open up a lot of area to explore.

And I do find the idea of Nanoha talking about a friend/boyfriend that no one (save the obvious) have ever seen before rather hilarious.
 

Chanthien

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Honestly I've never really like the interpretation of Yuuno as the shy guy who just can't gather the courage to confess and Nanoha as the oblivious girl who just can't understand. Oh, I remembered that scene in StrikerS, and I've read the transcripts of the Sound Stage, but those have always seems to be more heavy-handed ship tease than sensible development of their relationship. That Yuuno barely has any interaction with the others since StrikerS doesn't really help of course. Was there ever even a specific scene of Yuuno interacting mainly with Hayate in canon? If there was, it must have been so insignificant I don't even remember it.

To make a long story short, though, you can say that I really like the interpretation of No Drama Yuuno. The appeal of pairing him with many other girls, for me at least, is that it's just so satisfying to see a relationship that theoretically does not have any inherent potential for drama in the popular sense of the word and yet is still wonderfully deep and meaningful. Many people love the ups and downs of relationship; the intense feeling and the burning passion. It's probably one of the reason why so many NanoFate fans (among others) like the sort of story that focuses more on the "romance" part than the "Nanoha and Fate" part of the story. Nanoha being a sweet and oblivious and content housewife? Fate being a comically perverted husband doting on her wife all the time? Diabetes-inducing level of sweetness continuing way past the honeymoon? Not to say that's not something you can't or shouldn't enjoy, but that's just not Nanoha and Fate to me.

Ironically(?), to me a good NanoFate story would be very similar to a Yuunoha or YuunoFate (again, among others). The most important thing is that they just clicks. The different but equally wonderful chemistry was there regardless of romance. Essentially, between the three of them, intense and deep relationships (friendship might not be strong enough here) are more important than romance, if we can even distinguish them clearly.

Nanoha and Fate I probably don't need to elaborate. The appeal of Fate and Yuuno, to me, is that they are so similar yet they compliment each other so well. Both are kindhearted, well-meaning, mature, selfless, responsible people who both dearly love Nanoha. The iconic scene that represent YuunoFate to me is the scene where one of them blame themselves unfairly for some bad things that happened, and the other would hug them and console and tell them that it's not their fault. The beautiful irony is that both of them will end up doing this for each other many many times if only because they are about the only one fitted to do so for each other. And they both have a deep and unique relationship with both each other and with Nanoha, which is the sort of thing you normally can't find in the real world.

Yuunoha I actually think in a very similar way to what some people imagine YuunoxHayate. They have between them a very carefree and easy relationship, in which they both intuitively know each other so well there's no place for either melodrama or heart-wrenching "romance". To outsiders, they would seems like a couple which skips the honeymoon entirely and just jumps straight to married-for-decades couple. The iconic scene that represents Yuunoha to me would be any scene where outsiders are simply baffled by the near-unimaginable ease they have in interacting with each other. Someone (Hayate, maybe) would try to tease them for their relationship after seeing a particularly intimate scene between them, only for their teasing to fall short because neither Yuuno or Nanoha think anything about their behaviors. They are just that comfortable with each other.

Overall, I imagine Nanoha, Fate, and Yuuno to be so close and intimate with each other that few would be able to truly comprehend their relationship. The closest example I can find is the "ideal" interpretation of the dynamics between Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke. Nanoha is as close to Fate and Yuuno as they are to each other. The specific nature of the relationship would be different, obviously, but they would be more or less equally strong. There could be any numbers of iconic scene for the three's relationship, but one example could be when the three of them (plus Hayate and others?) go on a vacation. They would be walking (sitting?lying?) together when Nanoha hugs them both out of nowhere and says she loves them so much. Fate and Yuuno would look into each other's eyes, share a knowing smile, and hug Nanoha back.

Again, the main drawing point for me is how they are near-perfectly at ease with the other that's also why I like NanohaxYuunoxFate. Looking from the right angle, it really is something that can organically grow from their already present relationship without the need for any contrived incidences "pushing" them together and/or "waking" them up to their "real" feelings towards each other. Nanoha and Yuuno would have something with each other that they don't have with Fate, and so do NanohaxFate and YuunoxFate. And beautifully enough, the three of them would have something together that's more than just the addition of the individual relationships. NanohaxYuunoxFate, in my opinion at least, would have important emergent characteristics that can't be found in either NanohaxYuuno, NanohaxFate, or FatexYuuno. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. As it should be.

Edit: Ignore my rambling if you want, but if possible I'd like the aforementioned doujinshi, please.
 
lhklan said:
You might want to check out F91's story "Tsuntsun, Deredere" on ffnet. It's quite a nice read. There's Iron's story "Swords and Shields" in the Previews section for your viewing pleasure. Warning: BloodKnight!Yuuno ahead.
Yeah, I read both of those. Really wish there was more to Tsuntsun, Deredere. And I liked Swords and Shields, though I'm not sure of Yuuno at first. But as an AU it works well. :)
 

Hoki

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I've been wrestling with the idea of making people around Nanoha, Fate. Hayate, and Yuuno make their relationship develop to proverbial "next level." I mean canonically speaking, Amy seems in favor of Yuunoha, evidenced by the fact that she asks Yuuno how his relationship with Nanoha has progressed at the epilogue in A's. Chrono might want a reliable man for Fate,as well as somebody he can trust, so he'll probably push YuunoFate. Hayate might side with either one, just for the lulz, but the wolkenritter may have other plans, thus take steps to ensure that their mistress ends up with a partner they deem worthy, thus supporting YuunoxHayate.
 

Gx Hero

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As Far as hints on relationship their is Nanoha Yunno which at the end of A"s and after the battle at Augusta Hotel in strikers shows them leaning that way. More Yunnoa Nanoha.
 
In re Fate, Nanoha, and Yuuno, I tend to like the 'OT3' if someone's writing them as romantic interests.

I know that a Sound Stage hinted that Fate kept away, though Vivid retconned that. Which I'm fine with.

I think between the Big Bed(tm) in StrikerS, the hints of attraction in StrikerS between Nanoha and Yuuno, and the ending with Nanoha, Yuuno, and such peeping on Vivio, there's enough support in the fiction for the idea.

One reason I really liked the A Day in the Life series.
 

Old Iron

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Ickarium said:
In re Fate, Nanoha, and Yuuno, I tend to like the 'OT3' if someone's writing them as romantic interests.

I know that a Sound Stage hinted that Fate kept away, though Vivid retconned that. Which I'm fine with.

I think between the Big Bed(tm) in StrikerS, the hints of attraction in StrikerS between Nanoha and Yuuno, and the ending with Nanoha, Yuuno, and such peeping on Vivio, there's enough support in the fiction for the idea.
Hmm... That does make sense. It's entirely possible that this is is a viable canon; just one never shown to us in any of the media because that wasn't the focus of them.

And an OT3 would work very well between those three. The difficulty is executing it believably. One thing that was hammered into my head about those setups is all points of the polygon have to love all other points.

Hoki said:
I've been wrestling with the idea of making people around Nanoha, Fate. Hayate, and Yuuno make their relationship develop to proverbial "next level." I mean canonically speaking, Amy seems in favor of Yuunoha, evidenced by the fact that she asks Yuuno how his relationship with Nanoha has progressed at the epilogue in A's. Chrono might want a reliable man for Fate,as well as somebody he can trust, so he'll probably push YuunoFate. Hayate might side with either one, just for the lulz, but the wolkenritter may have other plans, thus take steps to ensure that their mistress ends up with a partner they deem worthy, thus supporting YuunoxHayate.
I'm throwing money and jewels and gold and spice and all the riches at the screen and nothing's happening. T_T
 

Chanthien

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I think my wall of text must have scared people away, so I hope it's okay to ask again. Can I have the childhood friends doujinshi please?

Edit: Oh, and while the whole setup is rather vague and there are lots of room for interpretation, I personally thought that Immatrael (a.k.a Aleph)'s The Bitter End was a particularly good example of NanohaxYuunoxFate. The nicest thing about the fanfic is, I think, it doesn't matter that much if you read romance into their relationship or not. It's beautiful either way.
 

Old Iron

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Chanthien said:
I think my wall of text must have scared people away, so I hope it's okay to ask again. Can I have the childhood friends doujinshi please?

Edit: Oh, and while the whole setup is rather vague and there are lots of room for interpretation, I personally thought that Immatrael (a.k.a Aleph)'s The Bitter End was a particularly good example of NanohaxYuunoxFate. The nicest thing about the fanfic is, I think, it doesn't matter that much if you read romance into their relationship or not. It's beautiful either way.
I shall PM it to you.

And I don't think it scared people away. For me it was something I really wasn't sure how to comment or follow up on. It's a very well written statement and I can both see and agree with a lot of the points you made; if not all of them.

Dammit. You are making me want to put LoA on hold so I can do a Yuuno/Nanoha/Fate story. As I am sitting here writing it! >.<
 

Chanthien

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Old Iron said:
Chanthien said:
I think my wall of text must have scared people away, so I hope it's okay to ask again. Can I have the childhood friends doujinshi please?

Edit: Oh, and while the whole setup is rather vague and there are lots of room for interpretation, I personally thought that Immatrael (a.k.a Aleph)'s The Bitter End was a particularly good example of NanohaxYuunoxFate. The nicest thing about the fanfic is, I think, it doesn't matter that much if you read romance into their relationship or not. It's beautiful either way.
I shall PM it to you.

And I don't think it scared people away. For me it was something I really wasn't sure how to comment or follow up on. It's a very well written statement and I can both see and agree with a lot of the points you made; if not all of them.

Dammit. You are making me want to put LoA on hold so I can do a Yuuno/Nanoha/Fate story. As I am sitting here writing it! >.<
Much obliged for the wonderful doujinshi. If I may ask, is it my opinion on NanohaxYuunoxFate or Aleph's The Bitter End that makes you want to write a story about the three of them? I just want to ask because Aleph also posted the story on FFN and SB, but so far I've seen no comment whatsoever on the nature of the three (plus Vivio)'s relationship. Given the nature of the story, I wouldn't blame anyone but it certainly would be nice if there's somebody out there also paying attention to that aspect of the story.
 

Old Iron

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Chanthien said:
Old Iron said:
Chanthien said:
I think my wall of text must have scared people away, so I hope it's okay to ask again. Can I have the childhood friends doujinshi please?

Edit: Oh, and while the whole setup is rather vague and there are lots of room for interpretation, I personally thought that Immatrael (a.k.a Aleph)'s The Bitter End was a particularly good example of NanohaxYuunoxFate. The nicest thing about the fanfic is, I think, it doesn't matter that much if you read romance into their relationship or not. It's beautiful either way.
I shall PM it to you.

And I don't think it scared people away. For me it was something I really wasn't sure how to comment or follow up on. It's a very well written statement and I can both see and agree with a lot of the points you made; if not all of them.

Dammit. You are making me want to put LoA on hold so I can do a Yuuno/Nanoha/Fate story. As I am sitting here writing it! >.<
Much obliged for the wonderful doujinshi. If I may ask, is it my opinion on NanohaxYuunoxFate or Aleph's The Bitter End that makes you want to write a story about the three of them? I just want to ask because Aleph also posted the story on FFN and SB, but so far I've seen no comment whatsoever on the nature of the three (plus Vivio)'s relationship. Given the nature of the story, I wouldn't blame anyone but it certainly would be nice if there's somebody out there also paying attention to that aspect of the story.
It would be your opinion that is influencing my actions. Fortunately, I'm making some decent progress and that's what keeping my head on straight for the time being. I am however, taking notes.

And I'm glad you enjoyed the doujin. =3
 
Hoki said:
Hey, share the love, and NSFW material. I want one too.
That's what the porn sections are for -- posting such things publically so that no one has to make specific requests.

http://thefanfictionforum.net/showthread.php?tid=19974

Or

http://thefanfictionforum.net/showthread.php?tid=78


Old Iron said:
And I do find the idea of Nanoha talking about a friend/boyfriend that no one (save the obvious) have ever seen before rather hilarious.
Boys will growl and girls will dream about this mysterious "Yuuno", whom is apparently so manly that Nanoha, Fate and Hayate will never see any of their male school-mates as anything other than children by comparison.

The three friends will laugh at any suggestion that the mysterious Yuuno is super-manly or ultra-romantic.

Rather, if they put their feelings into words, it's more that Yuuno is mature, courageous and dependable in a way that only someone who voluntarily fought beside them in life-or-death battle could be. He's proven himself in a way that few school-boys would dream to dare.

But they can't really talk about that, so no one ever really learns why Yuuno, or Fate's brother, or Hayate's uncle or dog (no one's sure which) are such daunting figures.

And the less that the three girls talk about Yuuno to others, the more confused their peers will be, since going by half of their overheard conversation, "Yuuno" is actually a ferret.


Chanthien said:
Honestly I've never really like the interpretation of Yuuno as the shy guy who just can't gather the courage to confess
Alright, then let's look at a less obvious interpretation of his nervous reaction to Amy's question at the fast-forward epilogue of A's.

Rather than being embarassed that he's made no progress because he didn't have the guts to ask Nanoha out, maybe he's embarassed because he simply hasn't found the take her on a date. Between their mutually workaholic ethics, there aren't as many opportunities as he'd like, and he keeps getting distracted by his own job.

Maybe they HAVE gone on dates, but they've been relaxed and casual things between closest friends without much of a romantic spark, and he enjoyed them too much to feel the need to change that.

Maybe Yuuno is embarassed because he actually HAS been going out on dates with Nanoha, and ALSO with Fate and Hayate, individually. As above, they're all very platonic, friendly outtings, but they've also left Yuuno confused and conflicted about moving forward with Nanoha or anyone else.


and Nanoha as the oblivious girl who just can't understand. Oh, I remembered that scene in StrikerS, and I've read the transcripts of the Sound Stage, but those have always seems to be more heavy-handed ship tease than sensible development of their relationship.
Nanoha was in a tactical mindset when the subject of her relationship with Yuuno came up, and since tactics is a very important part of a job she's very passionate about... Well, it's possible that Nanoha simply got side-tracked and monofocused on one possible interpretation of the conversation and missed the other. It doesn't mean that she needs to be blind to Yuuno's feelings.

Indeed, she could have been fully cognizant of Yuuno's feelings for her before that conversation, and yet think that had absolutely nothing to do with the tactical realities of the two of them together in combat situation.

(Of course, I also think her assessment is a bit flawed -- namely, about the idea that Yuuno should just stay in the kitchen out of combat. THAT was surely Sevens Arcs trying to push him out of the picture, despite his previous combat performances and the easy power-up potential of simply giving him any kind of Device.)


That Yuuno barely has any interaction with the others since StrikerS doesn't really help of course.
The paucity of Yuuno/Fate interaction scenes is criminal. We vaguely know that they work together easily, as in their rescue of Nanoha and battle against the Wolkenritter, and can presume that they're on friendly terms given how he testified in her defense and taught her better defensive magic, but we don't really know if they actually consider each other friends to the point that they'd actively seek out each other's company.


Was there ever even a specific scene of Yuuno interacting mainly with Hayate in canon?
I've looked. He and Hayate have never spoken directly to each other in ANY medium: anime, manga, movie or Sound Stage. Hayate has only ever spoken OF Yuuno once, in a post-A's Sound Stage, and Yuuno has never spoke of her.


To make a long story short, though, you can say that I really like the interpretation of No Drama Yuuno. The appeal of pairing him with many other girls, for me at least, is that it's just so satisfying to see a relationship that theoretically does not have any inherent potential for drama in the popular sense of the word and yet is still wonderfully deep and meaningful.
Because Yuuno, Nanoha, Fate and Hayate are absurdly mature for their age. They feel insecurities and make mistakes, but they also show self-discipline over their weaknesses and communicate.

Well, Fate didn't during the original season, and she didn't quite do it in A's while working through whether she wanted to hold onto being a Testarossa or start over as a Hallahoun. Though it's a lot to work through, she did talk to Nanoha about part of it, and she might not have needed the Lotus Eater Dream to eventually make her decision.

Hayate hid her pain and loneliness from the Wolkenritter as much as possible, showing them a strong facade.

Nanoha worked herself to the point of collapse. Which I still think was related to Seven Arcs pushing Yuuno out of the picture, because with him and her other friends, I don't see them all missing the signs. Or rather, they might miss the signs, but I think they would being dragging her away to relax often enough that it wouldn't happen so dramatically.

Plus, Nanoha's personal friends with Shamal. How did regular checkups fail to catch severe Linker Core strain?


Overall, I imagine Nanoha, Fate, and Yuuno to be so close and intimate with each other that few would be able to truly comprehend their relationship. The closest example I can find is the "ideal" interpretation of the dynamics between Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke. Nanoha is as close to Fate and Yuuno as they are to each other. The specific nature of the relationship would be different, obviously, but they would be more or less equally strong. There could be any numbers of iconic scene for the three's relationship, but one example could be when the three of them (plus Hayate and others?) go on a vacation. They would be walking (sitting?lying?) together when Nanoha hugs them both out of nowhere and says she loves them so much. Fate and Yuuno would look into each other's eyes, share a knowing smile, and hug Nanoha back.
That would be really cute, and I'd like to read a story about it.
 

Gx Hero

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well If people think that way the Materials would be happy to have him. Inf act that could be a scene where Yunno is rejected and the materials take him away.
 

Chanthien

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Gx Hero said:
well If people think that way the Materials would be happy to have him. Inf act that could be a scene where Yunno is rejected and the materials take him away.
May I ask what exact way of thinking are you talking about?
 

lhklan

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Old Iron said:
Chanthien said:
I think my wall of text must have scared people away, so I hope it's okay to ask again. Can I have the childhood friends doujinshi please?

Edit: Oh, and while the whole setup is rather vague and there are lots of room for interpretation, I personally thought that Immatrael (a.k.a Aleph)'s The Bitter End was a particularly good example of NanohaxYuunoxFate. The nicest thing about the fanfic is, I think, it doesn't matter that much if you read romance into their relationship or not. It's beautiful either way.
I shall PM it to you.

And I don't think it scared people away. For me it was something I really wasn't sure how to comment or follow up on. It's a very well written statement and I can both see and agree with a lot of the points you made; if not all of them.

Dammit. You are making me want to put LoA on hold so I can do a Yuuno/Nanoha/Fate story. As I am sitting here writing it! >.<
... *Load guns* Sorry about this, but I'm really really anxious for LoA. *Shoots Chanthien*

Anyway: A sort of AU Vice/Ixpellia ala "The Princess and The Pilot". Vice -a TSAB pilot - is ordered to take the Dark Ruler of the destroyed world of Galea out of Orussia sector and deliver her to the Saint Church. He just didn't expect said ruler to be Ix - an old friend of his sister. Alone, with a girl who had a crush on him, and with a civil war around him, can this ace makes it out unscathed?
 

Akiyoshi

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Very nice idea. Vice even fillls the bill of being a "retired badass agent" who turned into a pilot due to a dramatic failure. Now i'm waiting for him to kick some but in the air and spoke a few cool one liners xD
 

Gx Hero

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I guess I should rephrase what I said especially since I thought about what I wrote earlier.

Material S x Yunno

My thinking is that Nanoha falls for Fate leaving Yunno wondering what to do with his life now that the girl he loved falls for someone else, Fate in this case.

Material S sees this and decides to try her luck.


and I was wondering about the paring Ixpellia x Vivio.

And before anyone asks I based this on the fact that for the centuries Ixpellia was alive she only stayed awake for short periods of time there for is most likely still a kid or a teenager who is small like Vita., aka can't grow taller and will be mistaken as a child.
 

lhklan

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Akiyoshi said:
Very nice idea. Vice even fillls the bill of being a "retired badass agent" who turned into a pilot due to a dramatic failure. Now i'm waiting for him to kick some but in the air and spoke a few cool one liners xD
The call sign he was assigned for this mission is "Mobius", after a legendary fighter in the Belkan Wars.
 

lethum

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I'm fairly sure that in one of first Sound Stages, Yuuno and Hayate talk. About Yuuno offering to maybe help her with that, later on. Though I may be wrong. As I write this I recognize that my recollection of that sound stage isn't perfect.
 
Made a oneshot exploring my crack pairing from the first post, in case you're all curious. Go find it in my Shorts Collection thread.
 
@ Yuuno offering to help Hayate with something:

I recall Hayate mentioning to the Wolkenritter that she was considering asking Yuuno for help to create Reinforce Zwei. Yuuno wasn't actually in the scene, and there was never any confirmation that she did ask or whether he did help.

Is that the scene you're thinking of?
 
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