Naruto Stories you wish you can destroy

[Vexarian]

Duh, Team Gai is the equivilent of Team 7. A Genius, Dead-last and a Fan Girl to round it out.

Lee, in all probability just scraped his graduation by a hair.

If he did, I wonder, that would imply one of three things.

1. Lee is capable of the basic 3 Jutsu.
2. His class graduated using some other form of test.
3. Bullshit happened and he graduated without the requirements.

 

[Darmani]

The entirety of the yaoi fandom. The Naru/Sasu pairings in general. Why? If I need to answer that question, there's something wrong with you.

Why? I mean that at the very least is cute and charming as to the disturbing fates of the girls that can be love interests and the reduction of female characters to sex objects for Naruto/The fans enjoyment. Cliche and trite they may be slash pairings reduce the characters motives but don't eliminate them to sex objects.

 

[Souffle]

Everyone who hates yaoi just wants to come out the closet and become a fangirl for Sasuke.


No, not really, but this is getting pretty retarded.

If you utterley loathe yaoi, whine about how many yoai/slash stories there are, fine. Just realize that if you loooooove yuri and whine about how there aren't enough yuri stories, you're being almost painfully hypocritical about it.

No, you shouldn't hate stories because they're yaoi, you need to hate stories because they suck, utterly. How shitty the fic is has little to do with the pairing.

 

[zeebee1]

And if they're yaoi they will likely suck. But if they're not they will liekly suck.

 

[Vexarian]

I'll break it down for you, Souffle.

Yaoi, often perpetuates EXTREME AU, or in layman's terms, the complete divorce of the characters from the setting.

In addition to it's mind bogglingly absurd quantity, it is also consistently of a similarly disgustingly low quality. Add to this the fact that Yaoi is often NOT clearly Marked, giving many readers a treat of "Surprize Buttsexks!", for the few that are of an acceptable quality.

Then one merely must take a look at the Authors and fan-base of Yaoi. At best, it can be qualified as poor, and at worst it deserves nothing less then the title of Obsessive Fangirlery. Quality is not cared for, criticism is not acceptable, and only the most "Kawaii!" pairing will survive.

Yuri on the other hand, contains almost none of these qualities. Often, the worst you can say about them are they are drenched in pure WAFF.

Yaoi and Shit have become synonymous, and that's exactly what it deserves considering it's fanbase.

 

[nkvd]

For the record, I don't read or like Yuri. ^_^

 

[Juubi]

For the record, I don't read or like Yuri. ^_^

I read it from time to time, but mostly focus on hetero pairings.

 

[shadar]

Who says you can't have a quality yaoi fic? The fact that they don't exist doesn't necessarily mean they can't ever. That's like saying, "If I don't see it with my own eyes, it can't/doesn't exist."

I'm with Souffle, and I am completely against bad writing. The fact that there's an incredibly high proportion of yaoi stories (I'm not going to condemn the genre completely) which fall into this category doesn't say that none can ever exist. Something being synonymous with a name doesn't imply that one can break those boundaries.

Plus, doesn't Yaoi imply no plot in its very name? I'm fairly sure one etymology of Yaoi is the Japanese phrase "yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi" - No climax, no resolution, no meaning. Even if this isn't the exact meaning anymore, it's a phrase still applied to yaoi. It's mentioned in a Lucky Star episode XD.

*shrug* If you don't like it, then don't read it. Stereotyping isn't particularly good in any case, and neither is generalisation.

 

[Vexarian]

Except when it's applicable.

If the world worked in a way that there were people with green hair, but 99 out of 100 of them had a serious mental disorder where they randomly go into fits of spastic murder-cannibalism, you wouldn't hang out with green haired people would you?

Yaoi fics are a sea filled with Shit and good ones are diamonds littering the bottom. Not many people care enough to go fetch them.

Ninja-Edit: And for the record, I don't read Yuri, it's always too WAFFY for my tastes. I'll read Threesome-Harem fics with it though, provided their good.

 

[shadar]

If you apply that analogy, it applies to over 90% of fanfiction available online anyway. The fact that quite a bit of this is yaoi probably originates because the fanfiction demographic is dominated by teenage girls. Still, it's not like many of the other non-yaoi writers are that great.

I don't even read fanfiction anymore unless it's by recommendation, and even then I rarely get past the first chapter. That doesn't say much, because I'm like that with written fiction too.

Anyway, hate against yaoi is bad. Just hate BAD writing.

Why bother hating only a single group when you can hate that group and more? XD

Ninja edit too!: I actually read a decent amount of yuri fanfiction, and watch yuri anime too. WAFFy is alright in my view, but I read/watch them because I feel the character development generally is much better in those types of stories. I thrive on character development and interaction ^_^.

 

[Vexarian]

Oh, don't take that as me saying there's anything wrong with WAFF, it's just not my cup of tea.

 

[elric]

Furthermore, Yuri fics almost never include MPREG, and rarely have rape.

The same cannot be said of Yaoi fics.

 

[Vexarian]

Furthermore, Yuri fics almost never include MPREG, and rarely have rape.

The same cannot be said of Yaoi fics.

But in all seriousness, Elric is indeed right. Off the top of my head I can only recall a single instance of Lesbian Rape, and I don't want to count it because it was a Lemon Fic and Sex Demons were involved.

 

[kaiseryuu]

I don't usually read yaoi, cuz those mostly focus on the romance. Yuri is likewise for me as well, but only due to the fact that I like to read about male characters.

If it's a fic that focuses on Fem!Naruto, romance or angst. Let it burn. I read Naruto cuz it's shounen, you know? Mindless fighting between two characters capable of ridiculous physical feats.

 

[Bucks]

Personally, I still like both the Golden fox and Mizukage. While I used to hero worship them a few months ago, I don't think as highly of them as I used to when I was new to fanfiction, I still consider them better than 90% of the shit on FF.net right now. They have actually given me a sort of guilty pleasure in reading banished Naruto fics. Having said that there is only two more that I read apart from that.

Being slightly hypocritical, I hate fics where the council are fucking retards. Koharu and Homaru have been in politics for 40 maybe 50 years and your telling me they have not learned a single thing about politics. They should be a whole lot better at keeping their emotion at bay and do things for the good of the village. Yet they are almost always portrayed as ignorant dip-shits in fanon. The first few times was alright, but it seems like every fic I come across has this plot-device and it grates on my nerves everytime I see one these days.

Depending on my mood, I can be up for a bit of Sasuke bashing.(This is only after a manga chapter where the author seems to worship the Uchiha) But my god don't make a freaking story about it. Sensless bashing of a character that was actually meant to be disliked in part 1. Granted, in part 2 he comes of as cliche antagonist, but in part 1 can you actually fault him. He is a 3 diminesional character don't piss on it by sensless bashing and downgrade him to a 2 dimensional one.

Sakura bashers are full fail also. She has the best character development in the Naruto series. We can actually see her change from an annoying fan-girl to a character that can be well liked. *Gasp* She grew up, do you really have to undo it by making her stupid. Funnily enough, the people that bash her are die hard Naru/Hina shippers. My guess is that the retards don't like her because Naruto and Sakura can actually stay in character and be a couple, where as in Naru/Hina you have to make one or even both of them OOC.

Kakashi has been covered so I won't say anything today.

On a side note Perfect Lionheart deserves have both his knee caps shot.

 

[Souffle]

Objectively, there is nothing wrong with Yaoi as long as it's written well.

Personally I will not read yaoi under any circumstance.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Sakura bashers are full fail also. She has the best character development in the Naruto series. We can actually see her change from an annoying fan-girl to a character that can be well liked. *Gasp* She grew up, do you really have to undo it by making her stupid. Funnily enough, the people that bash her are die hard Naru/Hina shippers. My guess is that the retards don't like her because Naruto and Sakura can actually stay in character and be a couple, where as in Naru/Hina you have to make one or even both of them OOC.

Was there a point in lashing out in the naruhina shippers? I've seen more Sakura bashing in pairings that aren't NaruHina. Most people don't like Sakura because first impressions tend to stay with people. She said Naruto was lucky he didn't have parents. How heartless is that. I know she's 12 but she's a ninja who should have learned the concept of death. She only really grew up in part 2 and look at how people feel about that.

I don't like Sakura, I doubt I ever will but you don't see me insulting every NaruSaku fan.

 

[Juubi]

My opinion of Sakura is so-so, personally. I don't really dislike any character in the series, besides Sasuke, but that's obvious.

 

[Bucks]

Was there a point in lashing out in the naruhina shippers? I've seen more Sakura bashing in pairings that aren't NaruHina. Most people don't like Sakura because first impressions tend to stay with people. She said Naruto was lucky he didn't have parents. How heartless is that. I know she's 12 but she's a ninja who should have learned the concept of death. She only really grew up in part 2 and look at how people feel about that.

I don't like Sakura, I doubt I ever will but you don't see me insulting every NaruSaku fan.

I have a history with some of those die hard Naru/Hina shippers, personally I dispise the pairing, nor do I particularly care for if you lash out at Naru/Saku shippers. But the fact remains the bashers on where I have reviewed for are Naru/Hina shippers. I'm pretty sure there are some Yaoi one's also. But take 3 guesses what their excuse was for bashing her

And I quote this

"She is an annoying fangirl"

...

"Then what is Hinata then?"

"She loves Naruto unlike Sakura who is shallow"

Right....

I'm sorry if I have offended you in a way, but the majority of the Sakura bashers are Naru/Hina shippers. I'm not above reading Naru/Hina if it is well writen but the fact remains that you have to make one or both OOC. Because if they don't, they would have mixed like oil and water.

There are few non hypocrtitical authors that ship Naru/Hina, but they are few and far between.

 

[ValkyrieHamster]

I used to not mind the Naru/hina pairings...but when you start seeing them over and over and the quality of them become worse and worse, they seem to just add to the pile of things one wishes they could filter out when going through lists of new naruto fics.

This is probably the case for any pairing...(sasu/naru)

The best naru/hina fics I've read are ones that don't just announce it in the summary, I think those stories tend to be better because most of the time they try to develop the foundation of the reltionship moreso then just ones that annouce it right off the bat and just thrust the 2 together...

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

We can actually see her change from an annoying fan-girl to a character that can be well liked.

If you mean from pre-TS to shippuden, frankly speaking we didn't see her change. She just did with no development whatsoever. Which is the main problem, particularly with Naruto barely growing up at all, and Sasuke manageing to grow to the point where he's a few levels from God.

And I don't know about you, but a character who bashes peoples faces in (Enforced now by Uber strength) for perverted techniques and then turns around and gushes over the exact same thing in reverse can raise issues with people who are not great fans of Tsunderes.

My guess is that the retards don't like her because Naruto and Sakura can actually stay in character and be a couple, where as in Naru/Hina you have to make one or even both of them OOC.

This is false. The main problem with NaruSaku is the Sasuke issue, which is the exact same thing as the Sakura issue that raises the bar against NaruHina. You have to make Sakura OOC in order to get over Sasuke much the same way you have to make Naruto OOC to get over Sakura. And frankly speaking, both are rather stubborn about it. The main issue is Sakura's devotion to him goes to the point where she even offered to go with him when he was planning to leave the villiage, so it's a hard case to argue just how she'd manage to get over Sasuke given that scene.

Now if we're talking Shippuden in the case of Sakura, that's a character change taken over a long period of time. Which is utterly easy to work with Naruto, as to this point he's shown little to no interest in Sakura anymore, save a few comments that could easily be taken as jokes (Ignoring the way the Anime takes it of course). All you need to do is edit or set up a few specific situations and it's nearly set. Heck, the whole basis of characters like Hinata (Nodoka from Negima being the best example) is that they manage to change themselves over time and gain a little courage with the person they like.

 

[Crossoverfanatic]

well i don't have a name right now (cause i tend to try to forget all the bad fics i have ever read) but basically i hate all OOC without a reason fics......
you want a peace-loving hippie sasuke, fine, explain why and give good reasons.
you want a hinata who loves fucking ppl up the ass figuratively and physically, fine, as i said give explanations ans good background reasoning. personally i feel that innovative fics and extremely bad fics only have a major separator, that being a good 'why-everything-is-like-that' thingie.......

 

[ValkyrieHamster]

Mmm also of note is that Naruto has shown no interest in Hinata at all in Shippuden, and as far as I can remember hasn't made comments leading to any form of interest :3

Also just based on the way the characters are drawn and the way they interact (naru and sakura) some of those scenes that could be taken as jokes as you put it could also be taken the other way and be considered not so unlikely.

Then you take into consideration how the differences in translations or what's lost in the translation of the dialogue can really lead to misperceptions on what's really going on between characters.

 

[Bucks]

If you mean from pre-TS to shippuden, frankly speaking we didn't see her change. She just did with no development whatsoever. Which is the main problem, particularly with Naruto barely growing up at all, and Sasuke manageing to grow to the point where he's a few levels from God.

And I don't know about you, but a character who bashes peoples faces in (Enforced now by Uber strength) for perverted techniques and then turns around and gushes over the exact same thing in reverse can raise issues with people who are not great fans of Tsunderes.

I meant before timeskip. Sakura at the start was shown as a person who can't shut up. Annoying character who was beyond useless. As a character she grew up a bit during the Chunin exams as she was about to throw her chance and more importantly Sasuke's chance (who at the time she was still obssesing over) for Naruto. In fact throughout the Chunin exams Sakura was steadily improving, sahe even cut her hair. Personally, I take it as a symbol that she isn't going back to be a mindless fan-girl and will strive to improve.

Truly it is not just about the hitting people thing, but how she grew as character. And she did grow as a character. During time-skip we didn't see her grow as much as we would have liked, but Kishi hasn't giving anyone including Sasuke on this a chance to develop their characters. Naruto and Sasuke are still almost the same as they were at 12. They might have gotten stronger, but as characters they have hardly grown.

Now if we're talking Shippuden in the case of Sakura, that's a character change taken over a long period of time. Which is utterly easy to work with Naruto, as to this point he's shown little to no interest in Sakura anymore, save a few comments that could easily be taken as jokes (Ignoring the way the Anime takes it of course). All you need to do is edit or set up a few specific situations and it's nearly set. Heck, the whole basis of characters like Hinata (Nodoka from Negima being the best example) is that they manage to change themselves over time and gain a little courage with the person they like.

Hence make her OOC. Sakura as I've said above is growing as a character. At the start we have seen how she insulted Naruto. But now look at her. She was willing to risk her life calming down Naruto. Naruto has matured a little and Sakura has changed alot from when she was 12. I say they mix a whole lot better than Naru/Hina ship.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

I meant before timeskip. Sakura at the start was shown as a person who can't shut up. Annoying character who was beyond useless. As a character she grew up a bit during the Chunin exams as she was about to throw her chance and more importantly Sasuke's chance (who at the time she was still obssesing over) for Naruto. In fact throughout the Chunin exams Sakura was steadily improving, sahe even cut her hair. Personally, I take it as a symbol that she isn't going back to be a mindless fan-girl and will strive to improve.

Truly it is not just about the hitting people thing, but how she grew as character. And she did grow as a character. During time-skip we didn't see her grow as much as we would have liked, but Kishi hasn't giving anyone including Sasuke on this a chance to develop their characters. Naruto and Sasuke are still almost the same as they were at 12. They might have gotten stronger, but as characters they have hardly grown.

Yeah, I have issues with that scene. It started off good, but the way it ended was retarded. I do agree that she grew up a little there, but frankly speaking that was by far the dumbest move she could have made, because if the enemies were capable of thinking, they would have killed Naruto and Sasuke.

Also I wouldn't call it steadily improving. She had that one bit, then her sad battle with Ino, and then for all intents and purposes was cut off from the Chunin exams beyond a few scenes that barely showed any type of development.

The main problem with your comment about going back to a mindless fangirl is the scene with Sasuke that I mentioned. Granted we don't know for sure if she would have actually done it, but she did offer to go with Sasuke and betray konoha.

Also the character development is utterly sad in Naruto. Seriously. There's no point in going into it, because there's hardly any there.

Hence make her OOC. Sakura as I've said above is growing as a character. At the start we have seen how she insulted Naruto. But now look at her. She was willing to risk her life calming down Naruto. Naruto has matured a little and Sakura has changed alot from when she was 12. I say they mix a whole lot better than Naru/Hina ship.

Er... no. Hinata's archetype (Again, I reference Nodoka for this, who is even similar to Hinata in appearance) is all about steadily changing themselves. And I'm not saying eventual rape or violent outbursts of their affections, just that eventually they will gain the resovle to actually say it. Heck, even in Naruto this is the case, as it was a major point in both scenes she showed in with Naruto, and she even came close to outright admiting it right before the Neji fight. Plus there's even the one brief showing she had at the very end of the first part and the promise there. It's not OOC for a person to change with development. In fact, by saying that, pretty much every character in Naruto is not allowed to change, which goes against pretty much every writing rule in the book. A large reason why Eragon and it's sequel fails so hard.

As for the last bit, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I'm just noting that pretty much every romance pairing will have to be OOC by your terms eventually, thus it's unwise to knock this one just because they do. Especially NaruSaku, as the Sasuke issue is a huge thing in the way of that pairing. Often I see NaruSaku stories pull the exact same thing quite a few NaruHina fics do by having Sakura get over Sasuke because of a particularly bad rejection, when in canon this has actually happened, yet she didn't do anything remotely similar.