The MGLN Franchise
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I am SO beating myself up for this afterwards...
I've got two words for you then, "Absorption Complete."
They left because, you know, they already took what they needed from Nanoha, Fate, and Arf: the energy of their linker cores. Or are you implying that they could've taken more if they were as powerful as in the series? You seem to be missing, or deliberately ignoring the fact that there are limits to a mage's energy, and the B.o.D can only take as much as the victim can give. This is shown both in the series and in the movie.
Vita had expressed her concern about needing more time in draining Nanoha before anyone else showed up, until Signum came and bought her time. Vita finished draining Nanoha of all her energy at the same time Signum finished her fight with Fate.
The Wolkies had so much time in the movie that they even had the time to place Nanoha, Fate, and Arf on a bench before they left, as Lindy found them in that state.
Oh in the series, Shamal DID completely drain Nanoha of her linker core BEFORE she can even fire Starlight Breaker. If you want to go further, it can also be implied that she was draining Nanoha's core while she was firing SB, finishing before Nanoha fell unconscious. They left after the barrier broke, but otherwise, considered their mission accomplished.
Did you miss the part where Fate screamed "Nanoha!!!" when she saw that there was a hand through her friend's chest in the series? Although less dramatic than in the movie, this was one of the few times we see Fate frantically calling somebody's name and rushing to that person. The only difference is Signum not smacking Fate on the ground, when she could have easily done so now that her opponent has lost focus.
And does frantically worrying about your friend's well being, especially when you see them beat up and knocked out automatically make you emo? I think it was an appropriate response from Fate, a character known for her love and loyalty to others, in so much as she suffered a heroic BSOD when Precia stated she hated her.
Hell if you're looking for an emo character, look no further than Tobi, whose response to seeing her teammate/crush getting killed is to start a war and try to put EVERYBODY in an illusionary world.
I think it was done well for the Wolkenritter, who introduced themselves as dangerous characters/villains by beating the crap out of the heroines.
I won't press further on Nanoha's case.
I've got two words for you then, "Absorption Complete."
They left because, you know, they already took what they needed from Nanoha, Fate, and Arf: the energy of their linker cores. Or are you implying that they could've taken more if they were as powerful as in the series? You seem to be missing, or deliberately ignoring the fact that there are limits to a mage's energy, and the B.o.D can only take as much as the victim can give. This is shown both in the series and in the movie.
Vita had expressed her concern about needing more time in draining Nanoha before anyone else showed up, until Signum came and bought her time. Vita finished draining Nanoha of all her energy at the same time Signum finished her fight with Fate.
The Wolkies had so much time in the movie that they even had the time to place Nanoha, Fate, and Arf on a bench before they left, as Lindy found them in that state.
Oh in the series, Shamal DID completely drain Nanoha of her linker core BEFORE she can even fire Starlight Breaker. If you want to go further, it can also be implied that she was draining Nanoha's core while she was firing SB, finishing before Nanoha fell unconscious. They left after the barrier broke, but otherwise, considered their mission accomplished.
Did you miss the part where Fate screamed "Nanoha!!!" when she saw that there was a hand through her friend's chest in the series? Although less dramatic than in the movie, this was one of the few times we see Fate frantically calling somebody's name and rushing to that person. The only difference is Signum not smacking Fate on the ground, when she could have easily done so now that her opponent has lost focus.
And does frantically worrying about your friend's well being, especially when you see them beat up and knocked out automatically make you emo? I think it was an appropriate response from Fate, a character known for her love and loyalty to others, in so much as she suffered a heroic BSOD when Precia stated she hated her.
Hell if you're looking for an emo character, look no further than Tobi, whose response to seeing her teammate/crush getting killed is to start a war and try to put EVERYBODY in an illusionary world.
I think it was done well for the Wolkenritter, who introduced themselves as dangerous characters/villains by beating the crap out of the heroines.
I won't press further on Nanoha's case.
Well the difference between them is that the Huckebein are smug jerks with hax powers. The difference between the combatants was so great that it wasn't a fair fight to begin with. Like Kaijo said, the Wolkenritter can be fought by the heroines on equal footing, they just had something that the heroines did not, thus became a credible threat. Once Nanoha nad Fate got their hands on the cartridge system, it was back to an even battle.
The hucks on the other hand remain broken for a REALLY long time that it's not even funny anymore. Even with the improving AEC weapons, they still manage to get away with minimal injuries, and to them a severed arm IS a minimal injury.
The hucks on the other hand remain broken for a REALLY long time that it's not even funny anymore. Even with the improving AEC weapons, they still manage to get away with minimal injuries, and to them a severed arm IS a minimal injury.
Actually...
If you want to compare...
The Hucks were only invincible through episodes 2 and 3 of Force.
Remember, the Force manga comes out only once a month, the pacing of each chapter is so slow that it would only take a couple of minutes, at most, of screen time up per episode.
Hmm... 2 episodes of invincibility sure seems like the Wolkenritter, huh?
Also, don't forget that Signum was pretty arrogant when she fought against Fate the first time. (She was even MORE arrogant in the movie for crying out loud!)
If you want to compare...
The Hucks were only invincible through episodes 2 and 3 of Force.
Remember, the Force manga comes out only once a month, the pacing of each chapter is so slow that it would only take a couple of minutes, at most, of screen time up per episode.
Hmm... 2 episodes of invincibility sure seems like the Wolkenritter, huh?
Also, don't forget that Signum was pretty arrogant when she fought against Fate the first time. (She was even MORE arrogant in the movie for crying out loud!)
Hmm I might be late to the parade again but something crossed my mind regarding Fate.
Fate is so... well cool and perfect because she thinks she has to. Her time with Precia somehow instilled in her mind the belief that unless she is the absolutely best little daughter, best fighter, best girl she can be no one will love her. She essentially believes (at subconscious level) that unless she gives everything her all and unless she is as efficient as possible she will be a disappointment to everyone around her and they will throw her away.
Just a bit of theorising on my part.
Fate is so... well cool and perfect because she thinks she has to. Her time with Precia somehow instilled in her mind the belief that unless she is the absolutely best little daughter, best fighter, best girl she can be no one will love her. She essentially believes (at subconscious level) that unless she gives everything her all and unless she is as efficient as possible she will be a disappointment to everyone around her and they will throw her away.
Just a bit of theorising on my part.
Fate's line tells you; "better prepared" means she has cartridges now. Remember, only a week or two has gone by. As I pointed out, that is not nearly enough time for any kind of training to have any kind of effect; most of which would have been spent magicless. And a truck hitting you is going to propel you the same distance, regardless of how much you've "trained."
Also, in the movie, A flaming strike by Signum sends Fate cratering into the ground, making her barely able to move. In the series, a flaming strike just cracks Bardiche (and later breaks it in half) and sends Fate into a building, but she's able to recover easily enough and get back up. So part of it is the heroes being portrayed weaker, that gives the appearance of a major shonen power up.
But really, it's mainly the overall presentation, and the little things like this, that gives the overall impression. The series does a better job handling the cartridge system in my opinion, of showing it like what it is: an extra tool.
As for Fate's state of mind, that is another quibble. Series Fate kept her head, despite seeing a hand coming out of Nanoha's chest. Movie Fate broke down completely. I think the movie really did a number on her character, making her more mentally unbalanced than she should have been. But this is more of a personal dislike of what the movie did to Fate.
Also, in the movie, A flaming strike by Signum sends Fate cratering into the ground, making her barely able to move. In the series, a flaming strike just cracks Bardiche (and later breaks it in half) and sends Fate into a building, but she's able to recover easily enough and get back up. So part of it is the heroes being portrayed weaker, that gives the appearance of a major shonen power up.
But really, it's mainly the overall presentation, and the little things like this, that gives the overall impression. The series does a better job handling the cartridge system in my opinion, of showing it like what it is: an extra tool.
As for Fate's state of mind, that is another quibble. Series Fate kept her head, despite seeing a hand coming out of Nanoha's chest. Movie Fate broke down completely. I think the movie really did a number on her character, making her more mentally unbalanced than she should have been. But this is more of a personal dislike of what the movie did to Fate.
I'm pretty sure (and I've read my post thrice just to be sure), that I did not mention anything about Fate's training affecting her second match. Again she was not in a proper state of mental preparedness in the first fight, but fully prepared mentally in the second. And I stressed that this lack of mental focus is what made the difference between the two fights. Sure she did train, but again, she still reeled from some of Signum's blows that she took, and preferred dodging the others, meaning whatever physical training she did, it barely did anything. She was able to brace herself when she can't dodge as to not be sent flying, and dodged the attacks she knew she could, all this being the result of being able to focus on nothing but the fight and her opponent.
Also, as a guy who had personal experience in literally being hit by a truck, I can tell you that you only get hit by a truck when you don't see one coming. If you do see one coming, you get the hell out of the way, because you know you'll get hurt, really bad.
And I believe the movie showed it more effectively, as the cartridge system is not only an extra tool, but an important component of the Belkan Style of magic, a magic based on offense. Different strokes, I guess.
Fate's reactions in the series were shock at the sight of a hand through Nanoha, and frantic worry that Nanoha's life is now in danger, hence the screaming and flying hurriedly, only to be stopped by Signum appearing in front of her. Her reactions in the movie were shock at the sight of Nanoha down and out, and frantic worry that Nanoha's life is now in danger, hence the screaming and flying hurriedly. the only difference is that Signum actually took advantage of this lack of focus and sent Fate to the ground. Again I say they are perfectly normal reactions from Fate in both situations. I can't really judge you on whether you liked it or not.
Also, as a guy who had personal experience in literally being hit by a truck, I can tell you that you only get hit by a truck when you don't see one coming. If you do see one coming, you get the hell out of the way, because you know you'll get hurt, really bad.
And I believe the movie showed it more effectively, as the cartridge system is not only an extra tool, but an important component of the Belkan Style of magic, a magic based on offense. Different strokes, I guess.
Fate's reactions in the series were shock at the sight of a hand through Nanoha, and frantic worry that Nanoha's life is now in danger, hence the screaming and flying hurriedly, only to be stopped by Signum appearing in front of her. Her reactions in the movie were shock at the sight of Nanoha down and out, and frantic worry that Nanoha's life is now in danger, hence the screaming and flying hurriedly. the only difference is that Signum actually took advantage of this lack of focus and sent Fate to the ground. Again I say they are perfectly normal reactions from Fate in both situations. I can't really judge you on whether you liked it or not.
You didn't mention anything about Fate's training her second match. That was the entire point of me making that connection. If Fate does a MUCH better job facing Signum the second time, and we rule out training as a factor, then the only thing left is the cartridge system. The only way Fate could face Signum in the movie, is via the extreme power up of the cartridge system. In the series, she could face Signum without it; she just got overpowered when a cartridge spell was used.
Perhaps I wasn't clear as to why I mentioned this. Physics is physics. If you are standing there and get hit by a truck going 60 mph, you will go flying a certain distance. As long as you reproduce those circumstances, you will get the same result every time. You will go flying the exact same distance, regardless of how "mentally prepared" you are.
Actually, cartridges aren't an important component of the Belkan style of magic. You can see this most clearly with Vivd, where there are several Belkan users who don't use cartridges.
Which is why I refer to this one as more of a personal quibble. Sure, both reactions are perfectly normal... but that doesn't change the fact that series-Fate kept her head about her, while movie-Fate lost it. Thus, why I prefer and like series-Fate over movie-Fate.
It's not quite unlike the issues people have with the Movie 1st manga, which had Emoha shouting into the sky because she felt empty. Sure, it's a normal possible reaction... but it didn't mesh with the attitude people normally had associated with Nanoha in the series. Hence the name Emoha. I suppose the movie 2nd gives us HysteriaFate.
Perhaps I wasn't clear as to why I mentioned this. Physics is physics. If you are standing there and get hit by a truck going 60 mph, you will go flying a certain distance. As long as you reproduce those circumstances, you will get the same result every time. You will go flying the exact same distance, regardless of how "mentally prepared" you are.
Actually, cartridges aren't an important component of the Belkan style of magic. You can see this most clearly with Vivd, where there are several Belkan users who don't use cartridges.
Which is why I refer to this one as more of a personal quibble. Sure, both reactions are perfectly normal... but that doesn't change the fact that series-Fate kept her head about her, while movie-Fate lost it. Thus, why I prefer and like series-Fate over movie-Fate.
It's not quite unlike the issues people have with the Movie 1st manga, which had Emoha shouting into the sky because she felt empty. Sure, it's a normal possible reaction... but it didn't mesh with the attitude people normally had associated with Nanoha in the series. Hence the name Emoha. I suppose the movie 2nd gives us HysteriaFate.
Even in A's, you have Hayate, Zafira, Reinforce and Shamal who don't use cartridges and do just as well as Vita and Signum.
StrikerS gives us Lutecia, who was S rank and summoning monstrosities without a cartridge system, and Vivio forced Nanoha to go Blaster 2 just to match her in an AMF environment without cartridges.
ViVid has Einhart, no cartridges there. What style does Rio use for magic anyway?
StrikerS gives us Lutecia, who was S rank and summoning monstrosities without a cartridge system, and Vivio forced Nanoha to go Blaster 2 just to match her in an AMF environment without cartridges.
ViVid has Einhart, no cartridges there. What style does Rio use for magic anyway?
Okay, as the guy who haven't participate in this, I'll be the neutral party here.
First off, Fate's reaction in the TV series: (Sorry for the inconvenience, but when I tried the img tag, it won't show up)
http://postimg.org/image/4ypy2f2uf/
Next, Fate's reaction in the movie:
http://postimg.org/image/ms70yjgol/
As you can, see TV!Face doesn't look that much different from how she usually looks, while Movie!Fate... check her eyes. Yes, there are tears there. (There wasn't a close up of Fate in the TV series, but then when I zoom in, there's no different colored bits around her eyes, so no tears in the TV series).
Also, when I personally compare the 2 voice clips, Movie!Fate sounds a bit more desperate than TV!Fate. Sure, they both screamed, but TV!Fate's voice just sounds a bit higher, while Movie!Fate's conveys a desperation.
So yeah, I feel that TV!Fate is a lot calmer.
As for your " as a guy who had personal experience in literally being hit by a truck", I can't help but ask: How the fuck did it happens? Because, a truck is really loud, and when the driver saw you, he would definitely sounds the horn. Unless the guy's a drunk driver, which makes it down right hard to dodge since the driver is not in the right state of mind.
First off, Fate's reaction in the TV series: (Sorry for the inconvenience, but when I tried the img tag, it won't show up)
http://postimg.org/image/4ypy2f2uf/
Next, Fate's reaction in the movie:
http://postimg.org/image/ms70yjgol/
As you can, see TV!Face doesn't look that much different from how she usually looks, while Movie!Fate... check her eyes. Yes, there are tears there. (There wasn't a close up of Fate in the TV series, but then when I zoom in, there's no different colored bits around her eyes, so no tears in the TV series).
Also, when I personally compare the 2 voice clips, Movie!Fate sounds a bit more desperate than TV!Fate. Sure, they both screamed, but TV!Fate's voice just sounds a bit higher, while Movie!Fate's conveys a desperation.
So yeah, I feel that TV!Fate is a lot calmer.
As for your " as a guy who had personal experience in literally being hit by a truck", I can't help but ask: How the fuck did it happens? Because, a truck is really loud, and when the driver saw you, he would definitely sounds the horn. Unless the guy's a drunk driver, which makes it down right hard to dodge since the driver is not in the right state of mind.
@Kaijo
*sigh* Since I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and not that I'm trying to anyway. I'll stop our discussion about it here and move on. "A man must know when to fold when discussing things with another equally informed individual about their tastes," is one of rules stated in my book on how to live my life.
I guess we'll have another round when the 3rd movie comes out.
Long story short, I didn't hear him coming when I was crossing the road. Result: time at the hospital with several broken bones and severe concussion. At least I got free pizza every week from the company that owned the truck, in addition to them paying the bills. All that happened in my first year in high school.
*sigh* Since I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and not that I'm trying to anyway. I'll stop our discussion about it here and move on. "A man must know when to fold when discussing things with another equally informed individual about their tastes," is one of rules stated in my book on how to live my life.
I guess we'll have another round when the 3rd movie comes out.
Long story short, I didn't hear him coming when I was crossing the road. Result: time at the hospital with several broken bones and severe concussion. At least I got free pizza every week from the company that owned the truck, in addition to them paying the bills. All that happened in my first year in high school.
Really, the first two movies should have gone original content only. Sadly, because they didn't, they will, forever, be compared to the series.
And, because of how poorly the first two movies have been handled, I really have zero faith that the third one will be any good. Honestly, I wish Tsuki would just DROP these movies and turn ViVid into an OVA (all the fanservice you want!) and Force into a TV series already.
And, because of how poorly the first two movies have been handled, I really have zero faith that the third one will be any good. Honestly, I wish Tsuki would just DROP these movies and turn ViVid into an OVA (all the fanservice you want!) and Force into a TV series already.
vic-vic said:
Wholeheartedly agree. What cast of seiyuu studio could choose for Hucks, I would like to hear Takahairo Sakurai as Veyron, Tanaka Rie as Cypha, Mamoru Miyano as Fortis and Kikuko Inoe as Karen. 
Hideo Ishikawa should be Veyron's VA, since you know, Squall.
Azumanga Daioh wasn't a sports/game-centric story. It was a series of animated four-panel strips which covered the day-to-day antics of a bunch of cute and mildly-crazy girls.
Also, Innocent abandons the continuity and character relationships in which we were actually invested, as well as a number of characters.
Also, Innocent abandons the continuity and character relationships in which we were actually invested, as well as a number of characters.