Now continuing from where we left off...
Leidolf said:
Those movies were in-universe?
Yup. They were made to be some sort of TSAB propaganda or recruitment materials centered around Nanoha's early career, more specifically, her first two missions. There are special sound stages that feature the StrikerS cast being interviewed for the movie for their output and the Vivid cast even got to wear the costumes for the 2nd movie and I think the cast comments on the events on the movie as they are watching it in the Blue Ray version.
I don't think they'd release the details of the Saint's Cradle to the public. Otherwise they'd have to account for why the mad scientist was running loose, the fact that combat cyborgs were still a thing, and how one of their S-Rankers ended up being killed and turned into an Artificial Mage. It's much easier to say that 'there was a thing, and this woman's team stopped it because we told them to.'
Well of course they won't. The event is known to the public as the work of a terrorist group.
Zextrace said:
That only applies to those who haven't seen the movie. After seeing the movie, people can form their own opinion on who they prefer and who was the most memorable. Does that not apply to real life, as well?
This doesn't remove the fact that the movie is about the titular character, and whether one has watched it or not, the first logical description about it would be about the character whose name is in the title. That alone makes her more familiar than the rest of the cast. Even if you have watched the movies, the first description you would tell a person who hasn't is that its about a girl named Nanoha.
Nanoha stopped Fate, but Fate was not the interdimensional scare...That was Precia. The TSAB would have dealt with Precia on their own even if Nanoha wasn't around. What Nanoha did was save Fates life. Or at least converted her to the good side. The TSAB were standing idly by to stop Precia/Fate in the event Nanoha failed to win against Fate.
Let me tell you interesting pieces of information:
=The TSAB was
completely unaware of the jewel seed situation at first because nobody reported it. What drew them to Earth is what they thought to be a minor dimensional quake (caused by Nanoha and Fate's clash over a jewel seed), and since the Arthra was the nearest and then available ship that time, they were the ones who came to check it out. It was Yuuno who gave them the rundown on the situation, which Lindy decided to take over from there. So no, if the dimensional quake didn't happen, the TSAB would've not been involved in the jewel seed incident at all.
=Even if the TSAB had been involved earlier, they would've treated
Fate as the primary suspect responsible for collecting dangerous lost logia, as she will not likely tell anyone that her mom needs them. Even if they manage to get that out of her, they would not be able to make her tell where Precia is.
=Nanoha's involvement in the incident is not just saving Fate, she also served as a helpful combat asset, as Lindy determined it would be better to make use of her abilities to capture the rest of the Jewel seeds and leave Chrono in reserve in case a more serious situation arose. She was also kinda responsible for Arf's confession, as Arf determined her concern for Fate was genuine. That final fight with Fate over all of the jewel seeds is a very good xanatos gambit as whoever won that fight, the result would favor the TSAB as any result would allow them to locate where Precia is. who thought of that? Nanoha did. So yeah, the TSAB was standing idly by during their climatic duel, because they were
supposed to. Once they located Precia's lair, they wasted no time in getting there. Even there, Nanoha played an important part, namely shutting down the Garden of Time's engine room.
Nanoha didn't stop Reinforce, she fought her, but she didn't stop her. It was a joint effort. Especially in the movie...Because Nanoha was toast if not for Fates last second appearance. Also after the book mutated into that monster, it was everyone s ultimate attack that brought it down (paired with the Asura's strongest attack)
She may not have won, but she sure put up one hell of a fight against somebody that is leagues more powerful than she is. That counts as awesome. If you think about it, the hero of that operation was Yuuno, as it was his research that led to the destruction of the B.o.D.
Also, I highly doubt the events that happened during Nanoha and Fates childhood are what gave them their fame. They were very young and most midchildans are unlikely to know it even happened. It didn't take place on mid childa, after all. And the aces were already famous before the movies came out.
Nanoha became famous in the bureau
specifically because of her involvement in the two cases. She played a big part in the resolution of those big cases, and since the details of these were classified back then, it eventually became a rumor within the TSAB academy that she solved them herself as a rookie mage (this was according to Subaru, the rumor even stating that she destroyed an indestructible weapon, probably referring to the B.o.D.) The movies were made in such a way that it portrays Nanoha's exploits that time in the most awesome way possible while removing or changing certain information, like Precia being more sympathetic in the first movie and the involvement of Admiral Graham and the Lieze twins in the second.
Hayate was the head of the team...but Nanoha stopped Vivio/Quattro while Fate stopped Jail/three other numbers. If Hayate was given credit for being their commander, then surely Fate and Nanoha were given just as much in being the two vital enforcers who stopped the villains controlling the cradle.
In real life, people rarely remember the people who were part of a certain event, except those who actually took part in it. This is most evident in highly publicized events, where only the central figures of the incident are mentioned. Historically speaking, this also holds true to major battles or wars. Ordinary people rarely remember the individuals who participated in the battle, but they will remember the guy who led the troops. Hayate falls under this category, as while Nanoha and Fate's names might be mentioned somewhere in the story, the entire operation still was under Hayate's command, thus she gets most of the credit for it.
Speaking of the movies, with so much explosions and exaggerated renditions of the attacks, it makes you wonder if the things were directed by Mid-Childa's Michael Bay.