Naruto The Narutoversity

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

Makes sense. Your average medical ninja probably can't cure a rare autoimmune disease like microscopic polyangiitis (medic-nin would understandably specialize in physical trauma and poisons, as ninja are far more likely to die from battlefield injuries), but they could probably completely alleviate the symptoms with regular treatment. However as a missing-nin Itachi is going to have difficulty finding and forcing an expert medic like Tsunade to treat him and he wouldn't be able to make regular visits to even some country bumpkin medic-nin. He probably ambushed and mind-raped a couple of poor chuunin medic-nins to get a diagnosis and raided a civilian doctor's clinic to get the drugs he needed to self-treat the best he could.
 
Sakon and Ukon's Kekkei Genkai v1 (Knyght)

Knyght

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Since Kishimoto never explained Sakon and Ukon's bloodline limit, I took a stab at it myself and expanded on its use.

Sakon and Ukon's Kekkei Genkai v1 (Version 2)

Isshindoutai, One Flesh

This corporeal bloodline limit* allows the user to control the cells of their body. They can consciously heal any physical injuries inflicted upon them by using their chakra to stimulate cell division, similarly to the effects of medical chakra. With enough skill, they can reach a level where they essentially possess regeneration. They can even make their cells strengthen in response to the damage they receive, such as gaining greater resistance to heat after being burned by a fire jutsu.

Another use of this bloodline limit is for the holder to partially or completely replicate their body. They can grow additional body parts so that extra arms and legs sprout from their body or grow a flesh-and-blood clone of themselves, one that can remain attached to its creator or be separated as an independent entity.

The more advanced levels of their bloodline limit allow the user to control their cells so that they can move through solid objects by merging with them. Or replicate their body parts in places outside of their body such as from the ground or walls to attack or grab an opponent. With sample of another person's DNA, they can rearrange their own cells to shape shift into a copy of that person for a disguise that surpass the Transformation Technique.

They can even deconstruct their body on a cellular level and enter an opponent's body. At that point they are able to alter the cells and proteins of the target at will, effectively killing them, and then leaving the target to reconstruct their own body again. This technique, however, has the disadvantage of them taking the same damage as the body they had invaded.

Those who possess the same bloodline can merge their bodies with one another, combining their physical abilities and chakra to achieve greater than they possess alone. From within their merged body, they can bring out some of their body parts to aid in battle such as defending blind-spot and performed three armed punches or three legged kicks. They can empower a jutsu with their combined chakra and control, perform them independently from one another and even do separate jutsu simultaneously. As twins, Sakon and Ukon exemplify this style of fighting as they have practically shared one body since before they were born.

*This is one of the three classifications for a bloodline limit; corporeal, elemental and visual. Corporeal types involve causing physical changes to the body, elemental type involve combining two different chakra natures to create a new nature and visual types are abilities that stem from the eyes.

The only three known corporeal bloodline limits are the Kimimaro's, Sakon and Ukon's and (presumably) Juugo's.
 
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nixofcyzerra

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RE: The Naruversity

If their bloodline works like that, wouldn't they be able to use Alex Mercer-style techniques?
 

Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

Problem is, that's Juugo's stick. Their power involves controlling their cells in some way but I wasn't sure how to phrase it to show it's not being able to do literally anything and everything with cells. :huh.:

Technically, controlling your cells would also mean you can control bone growth too, wouldn't it?

To break it down into exactly what I remember seeing this bloodline do:
- Twin brothers able to fuse their bodies.
- Heal faster when fused.
- Extend parts of one person's body out from the other person.
- Deconstruct themselves and fuse with another person.
- Grow half a person from their body.
- Transform that half-person into another person and use their powers through it.

It's a bit hard to group it all together.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

The regeneration, adaptation and transformation abilities are all pretty cool ideas for Sakon and Ukon's bloodline limit, but I'm not sure I agree with the flesh clones or with giving the bloodline Nico Robin's devil fruit power.

Clones are temporary constructs because they are made out of chakra, their bodies are merely convincing forgeries of real flesh. If you can grow a copy of yourself from flesh and blood, what exactly makes it a "clone" and not just a new, permanent, real person who shares your DNA and memories? Sakon and Ukon could essentially reproduce at will with that power.

And growing copies of your limbs out of walls and floors would require you to be able to teleport your cells away from your body, requiring the bloodline to have an entirely unrelated secondary power of time/space manipulation. Maybe someone with this bloodline who specializes in time/space jutsu could pull that off but I don't think it should be a standard part of the bloodline.
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

The Nico Robin power was based on Kimimaro's Dance of the Seedling Fern, his sole ninjutsu which apparently grew bones straight from the ground. I figured if he could do that, Sakon and Ukon could take a similar approach. Perhaps it'd be better to specify which skills involve ninjutsu and aren't inherent parts of the power?

The flesh clones I didn't put much thought into but I'd probably treat them similar to a wood clone, since we see Yamato literally grow a clone by turning his cells into vegetation. They're flesh-and-blood clones grown from the user's body but they're still maintained and powered by them. And what I meant by an "independent entity" was just like most of clone techniques i.e. a physical copy of the user that can move on its own, not a completely separate person if that was confusing. That was to differentiate from the half-clone we see Kabuto use against Itachi and Sasuke.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

knight504 said:
The Nico Robin power was based on Kimimaro's Dance of the Seedling Fern, his sole ninjutsu which apparently grew bones straight from the ground. I figured if he could do that, Sakon and Ukon could take a similar approach.
Yeah, but Kimimaro was also already underground when he used Dance of the Seedling Fern, Gaara sucked him down several hundred meters with sand. I just assumed the bone forest grew directly out of his own body, like a bunch of plant stems growing from a single bulb. I don't think Kimimaro can somehow cause his bones to manifest outside of his own body with ninjutsu - if he could, why even bother with all that nasty and presumably very painful ripping and tearing of his own flesh to get at them?
 

Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

It was used above ground here. It doesn't look like it comes from his body imo (both here and with the bone forest) and the databook description only says that it rises up from underground. And if it did, there's not much reason for it to be classed as ninjutsu unlike everything else he does. I would think that creating bones externally means that he's limited in what kind of bones he can create so he just has them rise like spikes, and most of his repertoire relies on the bones come from his body e.g. the finger bone bullets, full body spikes arm drill and spine whip.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

I dunno man. Being able to just magically manifest freakin' bones outside your own body is just too weird for me. I assumed he was doing the Alex Mercer thing and there were spikes of bones coming out of the palms of his hand (which he has pressed against the ground) and they were traveling underground to the opponents location and then popping up underneath them.

I mean I get where you're coming from and I admit that you're probably right, but I really don't like it.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

knight504 said:
To break it down into exactly what I remember seeing this bloodline do:
- Twin brothers able to fuse their bodies.
- Heal faster when fused.
- Extend parts of one person's body out from the other person.
- Deconstruct themselves and fuse with another person.
- Grow half a person from their body.
- Transform that half-person into another person and use their powers through it.


It's a bit hard to group it all together.
I actually have to question the bolded ones. I thought that Kabuto just collected the corpses of the Sound Four and Kimimaro, animated them with the Dead Soul technique, and fused them into his own body with Sakon and Ukon's kekkei genkai so he wouldn't have to unseal them from scrolls or summon them when he needed their jutsu. So what Kabuto was doing was just the "fusing bodies together" part of that bloodline combined with Kabuto's own jutsu that animates the dead, not growing transforming flesh clones or anything crazy like that.

If I had to describe it I'd say that Sakon and Ukon's bloodline lets you control cellular growth but within the limitations of normal human physiology. This allows them to regenerate and to fuse cells from multiple people together without surgery or risk of antibody rejection, but they still have to follow basic human DNA blueprints. While Juugo and Kimimaro can ignore the normal human limitations and mutate their cells/bone cells in any way they can imagine.

So Sakon can regrow an arm, bone and all, but he can't make that bone hard as steel or grow under his skin like subdermal armor or pop out and shape into a drill, because none of those things are encoded in human DNA. He could probably make his nails or teeth grow longer and use those as weapons though.
 

Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

Would the Dead Soul jutsu allow them to use their jutsu? I thought it only allowed the body to move using Kabuto's chakra.

But that does sound more reasonable. So that would leave the regeneration, various types of fusing, adaptation and transformation?

Edit: And that reminds me, when I originally drafted this I actually made it so that everyone born with this kekkei genkai has a twin, which is why Ukon literally lives inside Sakon's body. That could spruce up this ability in place of the body replications.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

knight504 said:
Would the Dead Soul jutsu allow them to use their jutsu? I thought it only allowed the body to move using Kabuto's chakra.
Assuming the brain and nervous system are still well preserved enough to access their memories and muscle memory, then yeah I don't see why Dead Soul wouldn't allow you to learn jutsu from a corpse. Kakashi did say in the Wave arc that Hunter-nin exist because it's possible to steal a village's jutsu by studying the corpses of their ninja, it's possible that Dead Soul is exactly the kind of jutsu hunter-nin are trained to counter.

Although actually making the corpse cast jutsu for you would be harder since corpses typically don't produce chakra anymore. Actually, maybe that's why Kabuto needed Sakon and Ukon's bloodline? By fusing his cells with the cells of the corpses of the Sound Four and Kimimaro, he became able to provide the chakra needed to power their jutsu from his own body.

knight504 said:
Edit: And that reminds me, when I originally drafted this I actually made it so that everyone born with this kekkei genkai has a twin, which is why Ukon literally lives inside Sakon's body. That could spruce up this ability in place of the body replications.
I support this idea. I would further say that one twin is always born pre-fused with the older one, and parents with this bloodline regularly have to test their newborn children to discover if they are carrying any passengers. This would explain why Ukon was so fond of always staying inside of Sakon, he may well have spent the first few years of his life trapped inside Sakon until he learned how to consciously use his bloodline and separate from him.
 

Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

Altered Nova said:
Although actually making the corpse cast jutsu for you would be harder since corpses typically don't produce chakra anymore. Actually, maybe that's why Kabuto needed Sakon and Ukon's bloodline? By fusing his cells with the cells of the corpses of the Sound Four and Kimimaro, he became able to provide the chakra needed to power their jutsu from his own body.
That was my point, yes. Though if Kabuto requires Sakon and Ukon's bloodline to pull it off, would the Dead Soul tech be required or could it be an aspect of the bloodline itself? So Sakon and Ukon could fuse with a corpse (or someone living though it'd probably kill them in the process) and then bring their body back out to use their jutsu, powered by the brothers' chakra.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

I'm thinking that Dead Soul or a similar jutsu would probably be needed to animate the corpse after they fused with it. Fusing with Kiba didn't give Ukon any direct control over Kiba's body, only the ability to construct and deconstruct his cells and proteins at will by sending his chakra to them through the chakra circulatory system. (which apparently is even connected to individual proteins in each individual cell in the body. I had no idea the chakra circulatory system was so extensive and intricate.) They could probably keep the corpse preserved indefinitely with that power though.

Other interesting facts:

Sakon and Ukon can also construct cells and proteins when fused with another person. That would seem to imply they could potentially fuse with an ally and basically give them a healing factor. That could be a very useful way to use this bloodline in a support role. Actually this is probably why Sakon and Ukon heal faster when fused together.

Constructing and destructing cells and proteins when fused with another person is something Sakon and Ukon could only do in cursed seal level 2. So it's not a feat an average user of their bloodline is going to be capable of duplicating.
 

Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

That would make it something near the heights of what you can do with that kekkei genkai, requires more chakra than they typically have and/or can't be done without senjutsu chakra.

I also copied some relevant passages from a databook translation, in case it provides a different perspective on what we've seen:

Brothers who share one body by merging their cells. This special ability allows one to be active while the other recovers chakra while sleeping. These brothers, who share their body and destiny, work together with perfect timing to drive despair into their opponentsÂ… While they share a body, their personalities are different, and being able to view each other objectively is a large advantage for them. They seem to be a leader in the Sound group of four, taking the lead, speaking for the group and scolding the others for their mistakes.

His power of ‘cell’ control which makes merging possible can be applied to swiftly heal injuries!

The older brother, Ukon, has a ferocious and impatient personality. He cannot relax until his opponent has been squashed out. His mind moves quickly, and he is almost like a Command Tower, analysing situations and giving orders to his brother. He is more accustomed to fusing with others, and frequently uses this strategy in skirmishes.

The brothers posses a unique ability to share one body, however the older brother, Ukon, possesses and even more terrifying jutsu! In ‘Level 2’, Ukon can use this ability to enter his foe’s body. Then he gradually destroys his opponent’s cells, using this cruel assassination jutsu…! They truly are terrifying twins surpassing cellular and physical reason.
 

daosys

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RE: The Naruversity

knight504 said:
Itachi's Mysterious Sickness
Looks like someone figured out what sickness Itachi was afflicted with a few years back, and it's not the typical conclusion that it was tuberculosis.
Could it be that Kimimaro had the same sickness as Itachi?
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

I assume so. They were both coughing up blood and die practically the same way.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

knight504 said:
That would make it something near the heights of what you can do with that kekkei genkai, requires more chakra than they typically have and/or can't be done without senjutsu chakra.
Or it could be because Sakon and Ukon were still just teenagers and were probably only high Chuunin level at most without the cursed seals. Give them another ten years to grow in power and perfect their jutsu and they could probably fuse with people who don't share their bloodline without needing the cursed seal level 2 boost.
 

Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

That was option 1 and 2, dude. ^_^

They might have needed more skill since, like you said, they're not that great without their curse seal. They might have needed more chakra since Ukon only has has 2pts for stamina. Or it might have genuinely been something only senjutsu chakra could achieve, like when Sasuke got that weird boost to his eye of insight when he had clay bombs inside him. That's what I'm saying. And I prefer the first two choices anyway.

Same with Kimimaro fusing with his bone trees which he needed level 2 to use; even discounting his sickness, I doubt he'd reached his peak at 15.
 

Altered Nova

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And now I'm curious as to just how good the Sound Four and Kimimaro would have gotten after the timeskip if they'd lived. Heck, I'm still bitter that we didn't even get to see zombie!Kimimaro go all out with infinite chakra and without his sickness holding him back.
 
Kekkei Genkai Classification/Sakon and Ukon's Kekkei Genkai v2/Juugo's Kekkei Genkai (Knyght)

Knyght

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Kekkei Genkai Classification

Elemental Kekkei Genkai: Transforms chakra into two different natures simultaneously and combines them to create a new chakra nature e.g. combining earth and fire chakra to create lava.

Corporeal Kekkei Genkai: They grant limitated control over a specific aspect of the holder's physiology e.g. controlling the growth of bones.

Visual Kekkei Genkai: More commonly known as doujutsu, they grant the holder's eyes special abilities e.g. seeing chakra on a visible spectrum.

Sakon and Ukon's Kekkei Genkai v2 (Version 3)

This corporeal bloodline limit allows the user to control cells within the limitations of normal human physiology. Itâ's an unusual bloodline limit where everyone who has it is born with an identical twin. One twin is always fused inside the other from the very beginning, spending the early years of their life almost constantly inside their sibling. Even after learning to completely separate themselves from their twin, they spend most of their life merged.

The dormant twin is move freely inside of their sibling and can protrude any part of their body from anywhere on the dominant twin's body e.g. unmerging their head to cover their twin's blind spots or unmerging their hands and feet to launch a three-handed punch or kick. They can empower a jutsu with their combined chakra and control, perform them independently from one another and even do separate jutsu simultaneously.

This bloodline can be used to consciously heal any physical injuries without the use of medical ninjutsu by stimulating cell division. The speed and extent of the healing depends on the skill of the individuals but it can reach a level where they essentially possess regeneration, able to rapidly heal anything except lethal wounds. They can even instruct their cells to strengthen in response to the damage they receive such as having tougher skin after being cut by a sword or gaining greater resistance to heat after being burned by a fire jutsu. The twins can heal themselves individually but it works best when they are merged and are sharing their chakra.

At the more advanced stages of the bloodline limit, they can construct and deconstruct cells and proteins of their own body and the body of others through ninjutsu.

One such technique is their ability to deconstruct their body on a cellular level and enter an opponent's body. At that point they are able to alter the cells and proteins of the target at will, effectively killing them, and then leaving the target to reconstruct their own body again. This technique, however, has the disadvantage of them taking the same damage as the body they had invaded. An alternative use of this can done so that the bloodline holder fuses with the target but, instead of killing them, they heal their injuries by constructing cells where they have been damaged.

Another technique is how they can merge the cells of multiple people together inside them without surgery or risk of antibody rejection. One purpose of this is to rearrange their own cells to shape shift into a copy of that person for a disguise that surpasses the Transformation Technique. The other is to partially unmerge that body from the twins', to reanimate the body with their chakra and to then have that body use the same jutsu they wielded in life.

Juugo's Kekkei Genkai

[Addendum: The Fourth Databook has not given Juugo a Kekkei Genkai characteristic and his jutsu do not have Kekkei Genkai in their classification, so his abilities cannot be a Kekkei Genkai.]

This bloodline limit allows the holder to passively absorb natural energy and manipulate biomass. This natural energy constantly mixes with their physical and spiritual energy to produce senjutsu chakra. Unlike regular humans and animals, they do not need to stay still to absorb natural energy and are not vulnerable to petrification. Unfortunately, this has two side-effects; instead of petrifying, they go into murderous rages when there is too much natural energy in their body, and they cannot instinctively sense and control natural energy meaning that, without training, they cannot control these rampages.

This natural energy gives them the ability to transform all or parts of their body for a number of purposes. They can increase the size of their fists, extend the length of their arms, shape their flesh into natural weapons, transform their skin into dermal armour and grow new limbs from their body like horns, wings and tails.

They can even extend booster-like appendages from their body, concentrating their chakra pathways in the extension so that they can fire jets of chakra through them. This act as propulsion to fire the bloodline holder through air or increase the velocity of their attacks, or it is offensive attack made of destructive beams and bolts.

The bloodline holder's biomass manipulation enables them to absorb the flesh, organs and chakra of humans and animals through physical contact. This is usually done to replenish their own flesh and chakra when injured or weakened. They can also do the opposite and transfer their biomass or chakra to others to heal them but the nature of their power means they can usually only do this with those who possess their DNA.They can even absorb the flesh of one person and integrate it into the flesh of another person, typically as a safer method of healing an injury though it is harder to apply.

Their full body transformation is the equivalent of Sage Mode, causing them to adopt a demonic appearance where are all of their physical capabilities are significantly enhanced to turn them into a destructive weapon. However whilst they can use partial transformation without losing their minds, a full body transformation guarantees that they go on a rampage where they kill everyone around them.

And finally, a little known fact is that individuals with this bloodline limit are attuned with nature in such a way that they can instinctively befriend and communicate with animals, enabling them to use them as helpers or companions.
 
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Altered Nova

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That all sounds pretty good. Although now there's one thing about Sakon and Ukon's bloodline that has me curious.

When Sakon fuses with another person, does that person gain weight equal to Sakon's? That is, are all of Sakon's cells physically entering the other person's body and somehow "overlapping" the other person's cells, existing simultaneously in the same physical space, or is he deconstructing his body into chakra and hiding in their chakra coils or something?

Both explanations are kind of crazy honestly but I'm leaning towards the former as it would better explain why Sakon would also receive any injuries the other person receives while fused. Although if it's the latter and he doesn't add weight then he could also use that jutsu as a pretty awesome spying technique just by hiding inside some poor unaware sap.
 

Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

I'd go with the former. Ukon makes it sounds like they're sharing cells until he deliberately moves his cells so that some parts belonged only to Kiba, thus making them vulnerable. And the weight probably isn't added until Ukon starts protruding body parts; Kiba didn't act as if he's suddenly weighed down by 45 kg (Sakon and Ukon's weight, apparently), so it's probably only the bits that stick out that have any weight. Maybe anyway, it's a pretty strange process.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

Yeah that probably does make the most sense. I suppose the cell fusion ninjutsu must include some kind of weight reducing component or something since otherwise Kiba probably should have felt Ukon's weight added to his own body. We know it's possible to manipulate mass with chakra thanks to Oonoki so that wouldn't be that much crazier.
 
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