Naruto The Narutoversity

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

I hadn't thought of it like that at all. It would certainly broaden the scope of what I thought Erosion Release could do which is fitting for something that uses Earth as a component. It seemed too much like Scorch and Explosion Release which I doubt have that much variety behind them being made from, imo, Wind/Fire and Fire/Lightning. Advanced elements using Water and Earth should have the greatest variety of jutsu, I think.

I like this. :sisi:

Deidara can fly with a clay dragon. And Sai does it with ink. Konan too. Flying seems quite easy with the right material; I'm surprised more characters aren't doing it. That there isn't an character who flies with wind jutsu is just sad. And why doesn't Temari fly around with her fan? It's perfect.

 

[Altered Nova]

The Naruversity

Not sure that's really strong evidence that sand is part wind element, as we've yet to see a wind element jutsu that grants flight. Heck all three Tsuchikage are able to fly and it doesn't even seem to be an elemental jutsu.

Although now I'm really wondering why more people don't fly around like Gaara does. Edit: I forgot that Sai, Konan and Deidara use jutsu to fly. Earth and Water Releases allow for levitating those elements, how come we never see people riding around on mud and water dragons? Cause that would be bitchin' awesome.

Edit: Yeah sand being a variation of erosion makes perfect sense. Erosion is how sand is made!

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

I was thinking mainly along the lines of "use chakra to erode matter" rather than "use chakra to control eroded matter". Anyway, this gives Gaara's some interesting potential to expand his skillet. Use Earth Release to manipulate the weight of his sand and combining it with Wind Release is all kinds of deadly. Surprising he hasn't done a combo with Temari yet, in that respect.

 

[Shirotsume]

The Naruversity

I was thinking mainly along the lines of "use chakra to erode matter" rather than "use chakra to control eroded matter". Anyway, this gives Gaara's some interesting potential to expand his skillet. Use Earth Release to manipulate the weight of his sand and combining it with Wind Release is all kinds of deadly. Surprising he hasn't done a combo with Temari yet, in that respect.

<s>Iron</s> Sand Chef Gaara?

Now I want to see Naruto riding a rasenshuriken.

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

God forbid you insult his cooking.

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

Just had a thought for the different types of Lava Release. Rather than there being a different ratio of earth and fire chakra which is what I originally thought, it could simply be because of the earth element. The nature of earth allows it to "alter everything in solidity and composition" so the reasons you get rubber, quicklime, viscous lava and molten rock is because they all manipulate the earth chakra differently from one another.

The oddball who can Magnet Release to magnetise people with his shuriken could be a simple result of spatial recomposition. Similar to how you can use wind chakra to create dust and fire chakra to create ash, it's manipulated in a certain way that it steps outside the typical function but with the same basis as rest.

 

[Altered Nova]

The Naruversity

So back to the subject of people creating real substances from their chakra. <a href='http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto323/173517-14.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Asuma spits out a cloud of bizarrely flammable ash.</a> ("ash" is what's left over after you burn something and is not usually flammable) Unlike other people who spit out non-elemental substances, this one is still classified as an elemental jutsu. Asuma used fire chakra to create a solid material, that's really weird. Can you create solid lightning with lightning chakra too?

Actually, Izumo did the same thing. He used <a href='http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto326/173523-8.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>a water jutsu to create starch syrup.</a> How does that work?

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

Izumo's is described as "<a href='http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=22998623&postcount=342' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>high-viscosity, chakra-mixed water</a>" so it's more like he's changing a certain aspect of the water he creates rather than creating a different substance, making it the equivalent of starch syrup/<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizuame' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>mizuame</a>.

Asuma isn't creating ash, he's creating <a href='http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=23245206&postcount=367' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>chakra-altered gunpowder</a> though I'm not sure if that's less strange. Creating a flammable substance is a lot different than just creating fire like every other fire jutsu. Maybe he's creating gunpowder, then infusing it with fire chakra before he exhales it? One of Jiraiya's jutsu has him <a href='http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=23245162&postcount=365' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>create oil and spit it out with a fire jutsu.</a> Though if he infused it then it would be on fire rather than flammable.

And isn't there a lightning jutsu during the Pein Invasion that creates rock pillars?

 

[Altered Nova]

The Naruversity

Gunpowder?! Well, there goes my theory that they don't have guns because gunpowder doesn't exist. Now it's even weirder that they don't have any weapons or jutsu that work using the same concept as a firearm, if they're even using gunpowder in their jutsu.

Yeah, <a href='http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Release:_Four_Pillar_Bind' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Lightning Release: Four Pillar Bind</a> was a weird jutsu. And I don't think that one's been listed in a databook yet, I searched those same forums you linked to and couldn't find it. So we don't really know how that one works at all.

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

Maybe Asuma's gunpower jutsu is classified as Fire Release just because it involves fire, rather than using fire chakra. He's just created gunpowder, like Shizune's poison and Jiraiya's oil, but its main purpose is to set it alight and have it explode so it's considered a Fire Release jutsu. I think Hanzo does something similar where he uses a explosive tag jutsu against Nagato which he refers to as a Fire Release.

 

[Knyght]

Ninja Academy v1, Graduation and Genin (Version 2)

The Academy is a six year course during peace-time where students are enlisted from the age of six and graduate at twelve. Each year typically has ninety students which are split into three classes of thirty and are rearranged each year.

To paraphrase the fanbook, students are given basic training and education so they gain sturdy bodies and fundamental knowledge immediately after entrance. Next are practical lessons where they are taught to use ninja tools, ninjutsu and physical attacks. Many classes practice team play and simulated battle. When students are deemed to have mastered the basics and manoeuvres they are moved to the application stage, where they are taught techniques designed for their personality and skills. Private lessons or special seminars help enhance their specials qualities. Then they graduate.

In the last year of the Academy, there are three graduation exams. The first two are mock exams which show the students their current skill level and how much knowledge they have so they know what they need to improve on. The final exam is at the end of the year and is the one that decides whether or not they become ninja.

The exam tests their theoretical and practical knowledge, their taijutsu skill, whether they are capable of recognising and dispelling genjutsu, and show mastery of one of three ninjutsu. Each class (or year) is tested with a different ninjutsu i.e. Henge no Jutsu, Kawarimi no Jutsu or Bunshin no Jutsu.

The students that graduate are sorted into teams of three and are placed under a tokubetsu jounin or a jounin. These teams are given a Genin Certification Exam which has a failure rate of over 66%. The parameters of the test differ for each teacher but they require the genin to achieve a specific objective whilst demonstrating their individual skills and working together as a team.

If they pass, they become an official team and get to work in the field. They spend the majority of their time training under an elite ninja and work for the village's clientele with D-rank and C-rank missions. They quickly earn field experience, develop thier skills and possess a good chance of being promoted within a few years.

If they fail, they are sent back to the Academy. They undergo a short course to receive training in a field of expertise outside of fieldwork so they can be sent to work in one of the village's divisions. They are meant to handle the more mundane tasks that are needed to keep the village running and secure. The ones that failed have to retest for field certification or cajole an existing jonin/chunin into being their sponsor or even educate themselves if they want to improve. Being promoted isn't impossible but it's harder, takes longer and there are far less opportunities.

 

[Altered Nova]

The Naruversity

It's a good theory. My only issue is the graduation exam - why only test one of the 3 basic jutsu at random? Seems like unqualified students could slip by if they get lucky and are tested only on their best jutsu that way. It would make more sense to test every student on all 3 jutsu. I always assumed that's how it worked, and we only saw Naruto being tested on the clone technique because that's just the one that's tested first and since Naruto failed it there was no point in asking him to do the other two.

I'm also curious on your thoughts on genin apprenticeship - genin like Anko who trained under a Jounin by themselves. Is that a common or rare practice, and are there special rules for that? Is it just something the Jounin can opt for if they don't want to bother with a full team?

 

[ankokudaishogun]

The Naruversity

most likely, Anko was part of a Genin Team under Orochimaru, but she was the only survivor

I wonder if Naruto's being a loser for failing the Genin test three times is because he failed three times on the same part, the Bunshin test, which meant he never actually improved between the times he took the test.
It's less "he failed three times" and more "he failed three times the SAME test". With Bunshin being a basic jutsu, Naruto never managing to cover his obvious weakest point even though it caused him to fail the Genin test two times would make easy for his peers to classify Naruto as a no-good failure.
I bet those who fail more than one time fail because a different reason each time, slowly improving themselves

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

It would make sense for them to test all three but Iruka says <a href='http://i40.mangapanda.com/naruto/1/naruto-1564786.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a> they had to do the Bunshin no Jutsu and <a href='http://i26.mangapanda.com/naruto/104/naruto-2145.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Naruto spoke of it</a> as the only aspect of the ninjutsu test. (And I think that panel shows that there are definitely other parts to the exam since this was just the "ninjutsu test on the final exam".) And then there's Rock Lee who I think had a situation which was the opposite of Naruto's as he was lucky enough to be tested on his best skill. I find it difficult to believe he's proficient at all three of the main ninjutsu, so being good at the right jutsu and compensating with the taijutsu he focused on works better for me.

Personally, I don't think Anko was Orochimaru's sole student but a member of his genin team. The difference being that she was the student that he favoured and the one he made his apprentice as well. Typically, teachers are just meant to improve their students' skills and guide their development in the right direction, which is why students aren't usually copies of their teachers and only use certain aspects of their style. But in case, Orochimaru decided to make Anko the one who would completely inherit his jutsu and fighting style, hence why she has snake summons and knows his kinjutsu.

I think a jounin can request to train a specific student but that would mean that they receive the entire team rather than only having that student, otherwise it would undermine the emphasis on teamwork. But after the genin had received enough experience or has been promoted, they're fair game like when Tsunade took Shizune on the road.

 

[Altered Nova]

The Naruversity

Yeah it's pretty hard to argue against those links that they didn't only test one jutsu for the final exam, but it still doesn't make much sense.

Hmm... maybe everyone in Naruto's class had shown that they'd already aced kawarimi and henge during normal classroom exercises but some people were still struggling with bunshin, so Mizuki and Iruka didn't feel it was necessary to test anything but bunshin on the final exam? Basically it's up to the instructors to decide the most appropriate jutsu(s) to test and normally they'll choose whichever ones the classrooms still need to work on. If the students overall are about evenly divided in mastery between different jutsu then multiple jutsu will tested for.

I wonder which of the three basic jutsu was Rock Lee's best? Probably henge since that jutsu doesn't involve expelling chakra outside of his body like the other two seem too, so it might be easier to perform for someone who really struggles with ninjutsu.

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

I'd go with Henge too. It's possibly the easiest since Naruto was supposed to be able to do it properly by his third year, and Lee might have used it to disguise his injuries at the start of the exam.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

The Naruversity

Probably Kawarimi. In the end it's mainly high speed movement

 

[Altered Nova]

The Naruversity

Probably Kawarimi. In the end it's mainly high speed movement

I thought that was retconned on the basis that it's absolutely ridiculous? I mean, are we really supposed to believe that an academy student should be able to use an E-rank jutsu to move fast enough to run away, grab a log, run back, put it where they were, then run away again, all in a micro-second... but just doing one part of that absurd sequence with shunshin no jutsu is a more difficult D-rank jutsu?

No. While still kind of ridiculous for a academy student to be capable of, kawarimi being a time-space reverse-summoning jutsu is a lot more believable.

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

If it was a space-time ninjutsu then I think it would get used a lot more since you'd be able to escape instantaneously. I just think of it as latching onto a object within the user's line-of-sight or within their awareness and switch with it in a high-speed linear movement.

 

[Altered Nova]

The Naruversity

So what, the log gets sucked towards where you started somehow while you run past it to where it originated? Cause otherwise we're back to "run away, grab something, run back then run away again." Which is retarded.

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

I don't think there's any running involved at all. Especially since Gaara pulled that shit in mid-air and Sakura managed to get above the sound-nin (Zaku could apparently follow her movement somewhat too). I'm thinking they are literally pulled towards each to switch places at high speeds. Don't get how the hell they do that without smashing into each other and I really don't get how the same sized log appears almost everytime. Even in the middle of Amegakure.

 

[Altered Nova]

The Naruversity

Even if they aren't using wormholes to teleport the distance it still sounds like they'd need to pull some space-time manipulation shenanigans to warp through the air like that.

Also if Kawarimi is some kind of high speed movement exchange then how did Pain escape from Jiriaya's hair and Gaara from Lee bandages without breaking them? Unless Kawarimi can also let you phase through solid matter then being restrained should be enough to prevent it from working.

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

Gaara did the swap before he was bound. And I think Pain did something similar where he escaped before he was captured while using a clone to speak to Jiriaya (building on how the kawarimi can create an afterimage anyway) who held onto the log instead of his body.

Though he might have just swapped himself upwards.

 

[Altered Nova]

The Naruversity

Good points. But yeah, you'd still need to manipulate the space-time continuum to swap places with something like that without requiring a number of number of preposterous secondary effects, such as: accelerating and decelerating at insane rates that would probably rip both you and the log apart; manipulation of gravity to explain where that acceleration comes from; immunity to wind resistance so you don't create a sonic boom.

Frankly I would be pretty impressed if an E-rank jutsu could accomplish all that. Merely "bending" space to aid you in switching with a log still seems a bit advanced for an academy student, but it's more believable than the alternative.

 

[Knyght]

The Naruversity

The other two ninjutsu are quite complex too, in their own way. Hand-seals kick ass.