Naruto The Narutoversity
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I like Quake Release. It could be used for both sound based attacks and attacking with vibrations through solid and liquid mediums, so sonic booms, tsunamis and earthquakes would all be fair game.
Sorry for aggravating you by comparing your Plasma release to Dust Release. It's just that, well, the two ways you described it primarily being used sounded extremely similar to Oonoki's 'Detachment of the Primitive World' and 'Detachment of the Primitive World: Pillar' ninjutsu.
I don't have any solid ideas for alternatives, but I do have a couple suggestions. Maybe instead of trying to figure out a logical physical reaction between the two elements (ala Ice Release or Lava Release), you could try being more abstract? Find some poetic link between the elements, or something separate that links them together somehow. Sort of like how Water and Earth makes Wood, apparently just because plants require both substances to survive. Or how Scorch release literally sucks water out of living things, I guess because hot air makes people thirsty?
...Actually, thinking along those lines, maybe you could still use that plasma concept. For example, the sun is made of plasma, and it emits a lot of light. So maybe Fire and Lighting combined could result in a "Light Release" bloodline that can control light. Blind people with darkness, create hologram-based genjutsu, turn invisible, shoot lasers, etc.
Or you could copy Storm Release and simply combine the basic properties of both styles of ninjutsu. Fire chakra is hot and creates concussive blasts, and lightning chakra is conductive and pierces. So maybe Plasma Release could create superheated exploding lightning bolts, or fire that flows through objects and burns them from the inside-out, or like the ultimate raikiri that can pierce the heavens.
I like Quake Release. It could be used for both sound based attacks and attacking with vibrations through solid and liquid mediums, so sonic booms, tsunamis and earthquakes would all be fair game.
Sorry for aggravating you by comparing your Plasma release to Dust Release. It's just that, well, the two ways you described it primarily being used sounded extremely similar to Oonoki's 'Detachment of the Primitive World' and 'Detachment of the Primitive World: Pillar' ninjutsu.
I don't have any solid ideas for alternatives, but I do have a couple suggestions. Maybe instead of trying to figure out a logical physical reaction between the two elements (ala Ice Release or Lava Release), you could try being more abstract? Find some poetic link between the elements, or something separate that links them together somehow. Sort of like how Water and Earth makes Wood, apparently just because plants require both substances to survive. Or how Scorch release literally sucks water out of living things, I guess because hot air makes people thirsty?
...Actually, thinking along those lines, maybe you could still use that plasma concept. For example, the sun is made of plasma, and it emits a lot of light. So maybe Fire and Lighting combined could result in a "Light Release" bloodline that can control light. Blind people with darkness, create hologram-based genjutsu, turn invisible, shoot lasers, etc.
Or you could copy Storm Release and simply combine the basic properties of both styles of ninjutsu. Fire chakra is hot and creates concussive blasts, and lightning chakra is conductive and pierces. So maybe Plasma Release could create superheated exploding lightning bolts, or fire that flows through objects and burns them from the inside-out, or like the ultimate raikiri that can pierce the heavens.
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Eh, just means that I didn't think it all the way through to miss that connection.
Storm Release Light Fang is literally described as a "beam of light" so the equivalent of Light Release has already been taken apparently. Something like exploding plasma bolts could be the way to go.
Eh, just means that I didn't think it all the way through to miss that connection.
Storm Release Light Fang is literally described as a "beam of light" so the equivalent of Light Release has already been taken apparently. Something like exploding plasma bolts could be the way to go.
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Oh Yeah, I totally forgot that Madara also has Storm Release... How the hell does he have Storm Release?
Well, I guess Storm Release did call dibs on lasers then... even if that doesn't really make any sense. Laser Circus obviously didn't utilize literal beams of light, what with the beams being slow, flexible and remotely controllable by the user. Also not sure how the hell water and lightning chakra could plausibly create a laser beam. My headcanon was that storm release was basically just lightning bolts that were as fluid and malleable as water, and Madara's Light Fang jutsu throws a wrench in that. Bah.
Even disregarding that I was hesitant to suggest Light Release as a bloodline. Not that it wouldn't be a cool powerset, but all the different potential combat applications of controlling light have kind of already been used in some way. Hashirama had a darkness genjutsu, Gengetsu had a hologram genjutsu, Iwa has an invisibility jutsu, Kumo had a flashbang genjutsu... and now Madara had a laser. It would be neat for one person to have all those powers, but I'm not sure I could come up with a unique light-based jutsu they could have to stand out from the crowd.
Exploding plasma bolts probably could work. Burns like fire, pierces like lightning. User can choose between having the plasma cut like a blade or explode on impact. Plasma is superheated so glancing hits and even close misses can cause horrific burns. I suppose it could still have a Kamehame Hadoken for the ultimate technique, and perhaps a "Lightsaber no jutsu" for users who fancy the sword?
Edit: Lol, I think I just kind of circled right back around to your original concept for Plasma Release.
Oh Yeah, I totally forgot that Madara also has Storm Release... How the hell does he have Storm Release?
Well, I guess Storm Release did call dibs on lasers then... even if that doesn't really make any sense. Laser Circus obviously didn't utilize literal beams of light, what with the beams being slow, flexible and remotely controllable by the user. Also not sure how the hell water and lightning chakra could plausibly create a laser beam. My headcanon was that storm release was basically just lightning bolts that were as fluid and malleable as water, and Madara's Light Fang jutsu throws a wrench in that. Bah.
Even disregarding that I was hesitant to suggest Light Release as a bloodline. Not that it wouldn't be a cool powerset, but all the different potential combat applications of controlling light have kind of already been used in some way. Hashirama had a darkness genjutsu, Gengetsu had a hologram genjutsu, Iwa has an invisibility jutsu, Kumo had a flashbang genjutsu... and now Madara had a laser. It would be neat for one person to have all those powers, but I'm not sure I could come up with a unique light-based jutsu they could have to stand out from the crowd.
Exploding plasma bolts probably could work. Burns like fire, pierces like lightning. User can choose between having the plasma cut like a blade or explode on impact. Plasma is superheated so glancing hits and even close misses can cause horrific burns. I suppose it could still have a Kamehame Hadoken for the ultimate technique, and perhaps a "Lightsaber no jutsu" for users who fancy the sword?
Edit: Lol, I think I just kind of circled right back around to your original concept for Plasma Release.
RE: The Naruversity
Plasma.
No, but seriously. I consider fire/lightning more energy than actually plasma. Because plamsa is a state of supercharged matter, wind/lightning brings us the matter with the air but fire/lightning are already supposedly plasma in the first place.
The thing is, plasma as knight put it is too powerful. I think it should be more supercharged energy balls at first.
By the way, what is the supposed combination for swift release?
Plasma.
No, but seriously. I consider fire/lightning more energy than actually plasma. Because plamsa is a state of supercharged matter, wind/lightning brings us the matter with the air but fire/lightning are already supposedly plasma in the first place.
The thing is, plasma as knight put it is too powerful. I think it should be more supercharged energy balls at first.
By the way, what is the supposed combination for swift release?
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So Plasma Release as a concept is alright it's just that the scale of power reflected in my description is too extreme. :sisi:
I'd chalk it up to becoming the Ten-Tails' Jinchuuriki grants the ability to create literally every single chakra nature. Madara may have realised this and come up with the jutsu on the spot or had copied the original version with his Sharingan in the past and only then gained the ability to use it.
It would probably be a combination of Wind and Lightning. Steel Release would have been Earth and Lightning. And I guess Dark Relase would have been Earth and Wind because, uh, gravity and suction? Whatever.
So Plasma Release as a concept is alright it's just that the scale of power reflected in my description is too extreme. :sisi:
I'd chalk it up to becoming the Ten-Tails' Jinchuuriki grants the ability to create literally every single chakra nature. Madara may have realised this and come up with the jutsu on the spot or had copied the original version with his Sharingan in the past and only then gained the ability to use it.
It would probably be a combination of Wind and Lightning. Steel Release would have been Earth and Lightning. And I guess Dark Relase would have been Earth and Wind because, uh, gravity and suction? Whatever.
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Just something I wanted to toss out here...
Someone one of the members in my group in the Naruto Online had pointed out to a Scarlet Blaze user: his character has red eyes.
Now, having played a Scarlet Blaze char, I simply chalked it up to making characters similar to other established characters, like how the Breeze Dancer is Temari with Naruto's Rasengan and multi clone skills.
She's pretty badass with those, though I'm digressing.
However, said Scarlet Blaze player made a comment that had me doing some research: he's a member of the Chinoike clan. Which, to my surprise, is an actual clan from the Narutoverse, though it's taken from the novel Sasuke Shinden: Book of Sunrise. Most everything about it matches the actual character. The red eye is a signature of the Chinoike clan called the Kerryuugan, which is comparable to the Sharingan, due to its abilities to confer genjutsu by sight. It can also control blood and other liquids with a high iron content.
I don't know if that was something official in-game, though the person that said Chinoike clan is where Scarlet Blaze hails from seemed surprised when he said it, and it only came from a novel release and not a filler episode, so maybe there's a kernel of truth in there. Regardless, I thought it to be interesting enough to mention, as well as wonder if the other characters come from other clams within the Narutoverse.
Just something I wanted to toss out here...
Someone one of the members in my group in the Naruto Online had pointed out to a Scarlet Blaze user: his character has red eyes.
Now, having played a Scarlet Blaze char, I simply chalked it up to making characters similar to other established characters, like how the Breeze Dancer is Temari with Naruto's Rasengan and multi clone skills.
She's pretty badass with those, though I'm digressing.
However, said Scarlet Blaze player made a comment that had me doing some research: he's a member of the Chinoike clan. Which, to my surprise, is an actual clan from the Narutoverse, though it's taken from the novel Sasuke Shinden: Book of Sunrise. Most everything about it matches the actual character. The red eye is a signature of the Chinoike clan called the Kerryuugan, which is comparable to the Sharingan, due to its abilities to confer genjutsu by sight. It can also control blood and other liquids with a high iron content.
I don't know if that was something official in-game, though the person that said Chinoike clan is where Scarlet Blaze hails from seemed surprised when he said it, and it only came from a novel release and not a filler episode, so maybe there's a kernel of truth in there. Regardless, I thought it to be interesting enough to mention, as well as wonder if the other characters come from other clams within the Narutoverse.
RE: The Naruversity
So the First Raikage was a dovahkiin, and his favorite shout was Fus Ro Dah. I approve of this idea. :sisi:
I like to imagine that he combined his Wave Release with Lightning Release to create a "Thunderclap no Jutsu". Anyone who survives the lightning bolt is blown apart by the thunder.h43r:
Wave release can be used to attack an opponent's internal organs, eh? Would you say that qualifies as a Gentle Fist style of taijutsu? It sounds like they could probably give the Hyuuga a run for their money.
I'm not sure I'd agree that Star Release would have no means of defense. I'd imagine a big ol' wall of plasma around the user could keep even huge groups of enemies at bay - similar to that time Sasuke used a ring of Amaterasu to keep Kabuto away from him and to counter his Sage jutsu. It could probably also be used to intercept and consume all but the most powerful projectile weapons and ninjutsu, if the user had quick reflexes and good accuracy.
I'm a bit disappointed that there was no mention of a Lightsaber no Jutsu. A skilled Star Release user could be terrifying to face in melee combat.
So the First Raikage was a dovahkiin, and his favorite shout was Fus Ro Dah. I approve of this idea. :sisi:
I like to imagine that he combined his Wave Release with Lightning Release to create a "Thunderclap no Jutsu". Anyone who survives the lightning bolt is blown apart by the thunder.
h43r: Wave release can be used to attack an opponent's internal organs, eh? Would you say that qualifies as a Gentle Fist style of taijutsu? It sounds like they could probably give the Hyuuga a run for their money.
I'm not sure I'd agree that Star Release would have no means of defense. I'd imagine a big ol' wall of plasma around the user could keep even huge groups of enemies at bay - similar to that time Sasuke used a ring of Amaterasu to keep Kabuto away from him and to counter his Sage jutsu. It could probably also be used to intercept and consume all but the most powerful projectile weapons and ninjutsu, if the user had quick reflexes and good accuracy.
I'm a bit disappointed that there was no mention of a Lightsaber no Jutsu. A skilled Star Release user could be terrifying to face in melee combat.
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Then it's fortunate that I've gone back and threw those things in, good sir.
Basically what I had in mind. It's a shame because "vibration taijutsu" was something I'd thought of prior to this when coming up for Gentle Fist style but now it's limited it to the users of a specific kekkei genkai. It's the only one I'd come up with that wasn't simply using nature transformed chakra instead of regular chakra to attack internally.
Then it's fortunate that I've gone back and threw those things in, good sir.
Basically what I had in mind. It's a shame because "vibration taijutsu" was something I'd thought of prior to this when coming up for Gentle Fist style but now it's limited it to the users of a specific kekkei genkai. It's the only one I'd come up with that wasn't simply using nature transformed chakra instead of regular chakra to attack internally.
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Next, scrounging up ideas on what the other kekkei tota could theoretically be. I like this model I stumbled across which has every element showing up no more than three times rather than literally every combination of three elements.
Fire, Wind and Earth - Dust Release - Disintegrating objects on a molecular level.
Lightning, Earth and Fire - Sun Release - Creating miniaturised stars of light and heat.
Water, Fire and Lightning - ???
Earth, Water and Wind - Void Release - Summoning a black hole to consume matter and energy.
Wind, Lightning and Water - Sky Release - Controlling the atmosphere's weather conditions.
Next, scrounging up ideas on what the other kekkei tota could theoretically be. I like this model I stumbled across which has every element showing up no more than three times rather than literally every combination of three elements.
Fire, Wind and Earth - Dust Release - Disintegrating objects on a molecular level.
Lightning, Earth and Fire - Sun Release - Creating miniaturised stars of light and heat.
Water, Fire and Lightning - ???
Earth, Water and Wind - Void Release - Summoning a black hole to consume matter and energy.
Wind, Lightning and Water - Sky Release - Controlling the atmosphere's weather conditions.
RE: The Naruversity
sorry, but... it lacks some combinations.
Let's see... if we do not allow repetitions (like, if we think there is no Fire+Fire = stronger fire, no reason to think there is a Fire+Fire+anything either)...
5!/3!*(5-3)! = 5!/3!*2! = 5*4*3!/3!*2 = 5*4/2 = 5*2 = 10
So, those are only half the possible combinations.
sorry, but... it lacks some combinations.
Let's see... if we do not allow repetitions (like, if we think there is no Fire+Fire = stronger fire, no reason to think there is a Fire+Fire+anything either)...
5!/3!*(5-3)! = 5!/3!*2! = 5*4*3!/3!*2 = 5*4/2 = 5*2 = 10
So, those are only half the possible combinations.
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I did say.
I prefer the idea that there are fewer kekkei tota than there are elemental kekkei genkai since they are far rarer and presumably more powerful by default, creating nine of the ten types is just far more effort than it's worth and having each element only show up three times in these combinations of three just appeals to me.
I did say.
I prefer the idea that there are fewer kekkei tota than there are elemental kekkei genkai since they are far rarer and presumably more powerful by default, creating nine of the ten types is just far more effort than it's worth and having each element only show up three times in these combinations of three just appeals to me.
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Well, there being three in the combination instead of two already diminishes the number a LOT...
While I agree that they should be much rarer, that means there are less chance of them being inherited or even found in the world outside experiments, it does not mean limiting our possible variations.
This is all imaginary exercises after all. Removing a possibility now will only make someone have an idea to take its place later.
That said, while I can see Sun Release, I think it would make more sense if it was wind instead of earth, since from what I was taught stars are born from hydrogen and end when they turn into iron...
And can't see how the combination makes Void Release...
Well, there being three in the combination instead of two already diminishes the number a LOT...
While I agree that they should be much rarer, that means there are less chance of them being inherited or even found in the world outside experiments, it does not mean limiting our possible variations.
This is all imaginary exercises after all. Removing a possibility now will only make someone have an idea to take its place later.
That said, while I can see Sun Release, I think it would make more sense if it was wind instead of earth, since from what I was taught stars are born from hydrogen and end when they turn into iron...
And can't see how the combination makes Void Release...
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Sticking with fve feels more logical to me but if we can actually give ten or so legit examples of kekkei tota than I ain't gonna complain.
Sun Release was always something I'd thought of as a kekkei tota and the inclusion of earth of the pattern of three. In this case, earth chakra contributes the stability and density of the "sun" and especially its ties to gravity. Void Release is loosely based on the idea that a "sufficiently compact mass can deform spacetime to form a black hole." Earth, wind and water are the three elements that create physical matter which is compressed into a single mass to create the ninja magic equivalent of a black hole.
Sticking with fve feels more logical to me but if we can actually give ten or so legit examples of kekkei tota than I ain't gonna complain.
Sun Release was always something I'd thought of as a kekkei tota and the inclusion of earth of the pattern of three. In this case, earth chakra contributes the stability and density of the "sun" and especially its ties to gravity. Void Release is loosely based on the idea that a "sufficiently compact mass can deform spacetime to form a black hole." Earth, wind and water are the three elements that create physical matter which is compressed into a single mass to create the ninja magic equivalent of a black hole.
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RE: The Naruversity
I agree with Knight's idea of there only being five kekkei tota. Because yeah, Kekkai Tota are really overpowered and extraordinarily rare. We don't really need more than five, and even if there were more they probably haven't all even been discovered yet. Also, once you've combined that many elements it's difficult to logically deduce what what it will produce; there are just too many possible ways to combine the properties of each element, or for the elements to interact with each other. You could justify pretty much any effect you can think of for any combination of three different elements. Might as well stick to a few really distinctive and awesome ones.
I also approve of those diagrams, with each chosen combination being one "primary" element plus the two opposite of it on the circle. It's simple and elegant, and matches with Dust Release's canon elements. My ideas:
Earth + Fire + Wind = Dust Release, obviously. Good old disintegration.
Fire + Lightning + Earth = Sun Release sounds good to me. Also known as Nuke Release. Basically a combination of Plasma and Explosion Release that very closely simulates the actual nuclear fusion reactions that occur inside a star. Sun chakra is so hot it can melt solid stone and incinerate living creatures just from close proximity. Infamous for being capable of creating gargantuan bijuu-dama level explosions that would make Deidara cream his pants.
Lightning + Water + Fire = ??? Sorry, I'm also stumped by this one. Steam lasers? Acid plasma? Plasma lasers?
Water + Wind + Lightning = Force Release. A combination of Ice Release and Storm Release. This chakra style can create solid constructs of light energy that can be shaped entirely according to the user's will. (Think Green Lantern ring.) Forcefields, weapons, clones... anything the user can imagine can be created and controlled remotely. Perhaps lacking in power compared to other Kekkai Tota, but bar far the most versatile Ninjutsu Style known to exist.
Wind + Earth + Water = Gravity Release. This chakra type simulates the force of gravity by manipulating space-time. The user can selectively bend, amplify and nullify the gravity within their personal chakra field at will. This allows them to paralyze an opponent by crushing them to the ground or pulling them into the sky. They can infuse projectiles with Gravity chakra to throw them with far greater force than muscle alone can accomplish, curve and twist their pathways, or even put them into orbit around themselves or other points. Flight is relatively simple, as is pushing and pulling objects and people towards and away from the user. The ultimate technique is the Black Hole - a ball of pure Gravity chakra that violently pulls everything nearby towards it's center. The technique can be used to create artificial satellites or even to create actual singularities that crush anything they touch into ultra dense matter.
Interestingly, those few individuals who have acquired the legendary Rinnegan were also granted the ability to use this kekkai tota. It is said that those who gain the full power of the Ten-tails can potentially use any and every chakra nature, including the mythical Kekkai Mora that combines all five elements. Perhaps the Rinnegan can access the power of Gravity Release because it contains a fraction of the Ten-tails power?
I agree with Knight's idea of there only being five kekkei tota. Because yeah, Kekkai Tota are really overpowered and extraordinarily rare. We don't really need more than five, and even if there were more they probably haven't all even been discovered yet. Also, once you've combined that many elements it's difficult to logically deduce what what it will produce; there are just too many possible ways to combine the properties of each element, or for the elements to interact with each other. You could justify pretty much any effect you can think of for any combination of three different elements. Might as well stick to a few really distinctive and awesome ones.
I also approve of those diagrams, with each chosen combination being one "primary" element plus the two opposite of it on the circle. It's simple and elegant, and matches with Dust Release's canon elements. My ideas:
Earth + Fire + Wind = Dust Release, obviously. Good old disintegration.
Fire + Lightning + Earth = Sun Release sounds good to me. Also known as Nuke Release. Basically a combination of Plasma and Explosion Release that very closely simulates the actual nuclear fusion reactions that occur inside a star. Sun chakra is so hot it can melt solid stone and incinerate living creatures just from close proximity. Infamous for being capable of creating gargantuan bijuu-dama level explosions that would make Deidara cream his pants.
Lightning + Water + Fire = ??? Sorry, I'm also stumped by this one. Steam lasers? Acid plasma? Plasma lasers?
Water + Wind + Lightning = Force Release. A combination of Ice Release and Storm Release. This chakra style can create solid constructs of light energy that can be shaped entirely according to the user's will. (Think Green Lantern ring.) Forcefields, weapons, clones... anything the user can imagine can be created and controlled remotely. Perhaps lacking in power compared to other Kekkai Tota, but bar far the most versatile Ninjutsu Style known to exist.
Wind + Earth + Water = Gravity Release. This chakra type simulates the force of gravity by manipulating space-time. The user can selectively bend, amplify and nullify the gravity within their personal chakra field at will. This allows them to paralyze an opponent by crushing them to the ground or pulling them into the sky. They can infuse projectiles with Gravity chakra to throw them with far greater force than muscle alone can accomplish, curve and twist their pathways, or even put them into orbit around themselves or other points. Flight is relatively simple, as is pushing and pulling objects and people towards and away from the user. The ultimate technique is the Black Hole - a ball of pure Gravity chakra that violently pulls everything nearby towards it's center. The technique can be used to create artificial satellites or even to create actual singularities that crush anything they touch into ultra dense matter.
Interestingly, those few individuals who have acquired the legendary Rinnegan were also granted the ability to use this kekkai tota. It is said that those who gain the full power of the Ten-tails can potentially use any and every chakra nature, including the mythical Kekkai Mora that combines all five elements. Perhaps the Rinnegan can access the power of Gravity Release because it contains a fraction of the Ten-tails power?
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Actually, that Force Release would work as combination of Lightning+Water+Fire with water giving fluidity and solidity to the energies of fire and lightning to create hard light constructs.
Lemme expand on one of mine because I had a specific idea for it about domething tgat had been driving me crazy:
Sky Release - This is a tri-advanced nature transformation which combines wind, water and water chakra to manipulate the atmosphere and create any kind of weather kind the wielder desires. It can match and exceed the highest jutsu of its component elements that can create their own weather effects by default. One can summon rain fast enough to flood the land beneath it, snow which can bury their enemies, lightning bolts that can strike the earth in countless numbers, thunder that can burst eardrums and winds strong enough to tear buildings from foundations. And any kind of weather that exists can be taken away, returned everything to a clear and calm sky as if nothing had ever happened.
This kekkei tota is the only one besides Dust Release to have manifested in the years since the hidden villages' founding. The Third Mizukage awakened Sky Release and reached the highest position in the village with its power. Understanding the mechanics of his power and prejudice of his homeland against kekkei genkai, the Third didn't advertise the nature if his abilities during his rise and disguised it as an mastery of wind, water and lightning chakra which he could skillfully combine into collaboration ninjutsu. While rare and difficult, each of those chakra matures have the potential to manipulate the weather to a smaller degree which is why his own abilities never gained quite tye same fame as the Second and Third Tsuchikage.
Actually, that Force Release would work as combination of Lightning+Water+Fire with water giving fluidity and solidity to the energies of fire and lightning to create hard light constructs.
Lemme expand on one of mine because I had a specific idea for it about domething tgat had been driving me crazy:
Sky Release - This is a tri-advanced nature transformation which combines wind, water and water chakra to manipulate the atmosphere and create any kind of weather kind the wielder desires. It can match and exceed the highest jutsu of its component elements that can create their own weather effects by default. One can summon rain fast enough to flood the land beneath it, snow which can bury their enemies, lightning bolts that can strike the earth in countless numbers, thunder that can burst eardrums and winds strong enough to tear buildings from foundations. And any kind of weather that exists can be taken away, returned everything to a clear and calm sky as if nothing had ever happened.
This kekkei tota is the only one besides Dust Release to have manifested in the years since the hidden villages' founding. The Third Mizukage awakened Sky Release and reached the highest position in the village with its power. Understanding the mechanics of his power and prejudice of his homeland against kekkei genkai, the Third didn't advertise the nature if his abilities during his rise and disguised it as an mastery of wind, water and lightning chakra which he could skillfully combine into collaboration ninjutsu. While rare and difficult, each of those chakra matures have the potential to manipulate the weather to a smaller degree which is why his own abilities never gained quite tye same fame as the Second and Third Tsuchikage.
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I'm not sure how I feel about weather control being a bloodline. It's a really cool idea, but I feel like any jutsu which directly manipulates the weather over a significantly large area would probably have to be a Sage Art, as it would need to control the flow of the planet's natural energy. I mean, the greatest and most comparable examples we've seen of weather manipulation in the manga were the Ten-tails and Kaguya, and both of them can control natural energy (Tenpenchii is explicitly described as "interfering with the natural energy"). Sure there was also Nagato's Rain Tiger at Will Technique, but that jutsu is weird in that it's not even elemental and Nagato also has the convenient justification of the Rinnegan which is capable of all sorts of bizarre, random jutsu.
Wasn't there an anime filler character that could control the weather? I vaguely remember something like that.
By the way, what do you think of my retconning of the Deva Path actually being a form of Gravity Release? Is that a plausible idea?
Maybe. I personally feel Force Release being a combination of Storm and Ice Release makes more sense. I'm struggling to understand what exactly the Fire element is contributing to a bloodline that creates hard light constructs. If you really want to use Water + Wind + Lightning for a different bloodline though, and don't mind having more than the five combinations you've already proposed, then Earth would probably make more sense than Fire.
I'm not sure how I feel about weather control being a bloodline. It's a really cool idea, but I feel like any jutsu which directly manipulates the weather over a significantly large area would probably have to be a Sage Art, as it would need to control the flow of the planet's natural energy. I mean, the greatest and most comparable examples we've seen of weather manipulation in the manga were the Ten-tails and Kaguya, and both of them can control natural energy (Tenpenchii is explicitly described as "interfering with the natural energy"). Sure there was also Nagato's Rain Tiger at Will Technique, but that jutsu is weird in that it's not even elemental and Nagato also has the convenient justification of the Rinnegan which is capable of all sorts of bizarre, random jutsu.
Wasn't there an anime filler character that could control the weather? I vaguely remember something like that.
By the way, what do you think of my retconning of the Deva Path actually being a form of Gravity Release? Is that a plausible idea?
Maybe. I personally feel Force Release being a combination of Storm and Ice Release makes more sense. I'm struggling to understand what exactly the Fire element is contributing to a bloodline that creates hard light constructs. If you really want to use Water + Wind + Lightning for a different bloodline though, and don't mind having more than the five combinations you've already proposed, then Earth would probably make more sense than Fire.
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The discussion about Natural Energy on the Questions thread made me think... Maybe Mokuton, or at least Hashirama's (and Madara's), is called a Kekkei Genkai because of when it was first shown, but it is actually a Kekkei Tota?
I mean, we know of the Water+Earth part of it but, while it can be explained in a way it making plants grow and controls them, Mokuton as shown can actually create plant life from nothing.
Naruto makes Zetsus burst into trees when he touches them while covered in Kurama's Yang chakra.
I know it goes against what was first shown in the first databooks, but maybe Mokuton is actually Water+Earth+Yang.
The discussion about Natural Energy on the Questions thread made me think... Maybe Mokuton, or at least Hashirama's (and Madara's), is called a Kekkei Genkai because of when it was first shown, but it is actually a Kekkei Tota?
I mean, we know of the Water+Earth part of it but, while it can be explained in a way it making plants grow and controls them, Mokuton as shown can actually create plant life from nothing.
Naruto makes Zetsus burst into trees when he touches them while covered in Kurama's Yang chakra.
I know it goes against what was first shown in the first databooks, but maybe Mokuton is actually Water+Earth+Yang.
RE: The Naruversity
That is actually a theory that I came up with before and Knight agreed with me. It makes a lot of sense for several reasons. Primarily because the bloodline is uniquely powerful compared to the other elemental kekkei genkai and it also has unique properties such as being able to absorb chakra and suppress the bijuu. Secondly because, as you mentioned, it literally creates living things that can survive permanently independent from the person who used the ninjutsu. And Finally because we know that Hashirama has an incredibly powerful yang affinity, to the point that he has a natural healing factor. It's also the best explanation we could come up with for why nobody else besides Hashirama has ever naturally awoken the bloodline, not even his direct descendants.
That is actually a theory that I came up with before and Knight agreed with me. It makes a lot of sense for several reasons. Primarily because the bloodline is uniquely powerful compared to the other elemental kekkei genkai and it also has unique properties such as being able to absorb chakra and suppress the bijuu. Secondly because, as you mentioned, it literally creates living things that can survive permanently independent from the person who used the ninjutsu. And Finally because we know that Hashirama has an incredibly powerful yang affinity, to the point that he has a natural healing factor. It's also the best explanation we could come up with for why nobody else besides Hashirama has ever naturally awoken the bloodline, not even his direct descendants.