Naruto The Narutoversity

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

To be fair, we basically see the equivalent of a Fire Release Rasengan and a Water Release Rasengan with the Tailed Beasts' chakra, though I'd forgotten about those when I first wrote this up. Mainly I just thought that it'd be natural for all five chakra natures to potentially be combined with the Rasengan once Naruto succeeded with wind and Kakashi at least attempting it with lightning. And especially when we actually see it done successfully with advanced elements like Magnet Release and Lava Release (ignoring all that other random like acid and ink of all things) which are one step above the standard ones.

I was disappointed that we didn't get to see it done straight in canon so I couldn't help but speculate on how they might have functioned when it should definitely be possible. Same deal with those chakra modes I did before.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

Goen Rasengan is a combination jutsu, not an elemental version of the Rasengan. He just breathed flames onto a normal rasengan, he didn't make the rasengan out of fire nature chakra. It's also not canon, it only appeared in a video game. It was pretty awesome though.

Yeah good points on the elemental rasengan. I really don't think most of the elements would add much to a rasengan, or seem like they would even really be workable at all. But since a few of them are canon it's perfectly fair to speculate on the remaining elements.

But seriously though, what is up with those bijuu rasenshurikens? How the hell does adding ink improve the jutsu at all? What did Chomei even add to it's rasenshuriken? And was Kurama's even different from a normal Rasenshuriken?
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

Honestly, they should have just been Tailed Beast Ball Rasnshuriken. These just go to show how much of a disservice Kishimoto did some of these Tailed Beasts with their random ass powers. And the only dude who should be spitting ink in this story is Sai.
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

I'm thinking that I should include something about Boruto's Rasengan since it involves nature transformation but I don't really get how his works.

Could Boruto's Rasengan be the result of subconsciously using wind chakra to create the Rasengan rather than creating the Rasengan and adding wind chakra to it? Which would be why it looks and works differently to Naruto's Rasenshuriken. Or is it more like how elemental jutsu can be expressed in ways other than just create the element like fire jutsu which create ash or powder and earth jutsu that increase weight or harden the body? Boruto just happened to accidently express his wind chakra as actual wind rather than the slicing and dicing style.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

Narutopedia calls it the "Vanishing Rasengan" and says it's the second possibility you mentioned:

"After creating a small Rasengan, Boruto unconsciously adds Wind Release to it before throwing it. As it glides, the nature transformation abruptly kicks in, resulting in the technique disappearing from sight and invisibly hitting the target."

They cite the movie novelization for this explanation.

Using wind chakra to control the air and bend light in order to make something invisible sounds plausible to me. Moreso then doing it with water vapour anyway.

Not sure I can really believe in someone adding nature transformed chakra to the super difficult A-rank Rasengan "unconsciously" though. It took Naruto like a week of training using clones to pull that off (plus the week of training just to learn the regular rasengan), and he still needed a clone's help to accomplish it for a long time. No way is Boruto that much ridiculously more talented than Naruto was that he can pull off the same incredible feat by accident, without clones, while still learning how to create a normal rasengan.
 
RE: The Naruversity

It's not only a matter of talent.

Remember: Naruto was an ignorant moron with no method behind his training attempts.

Bolt is an actual prodigy with a schooling background that gave him the tools to apply his talent even more effectively.

Add actual naturally good chakra control(in part because he had not Kurama fucking it, in part possibly because he inherited Hinata's) and some degree of experience in manipulating his own element(we are told he has at least one wind technique) and you get him naturally changing raw chakra to wind chakra.


Also, invisibility through vapor make actually more sense: the vaporized water droplets act as mirrors and prisms, deflecting light.
Invisibility through wind make much less sense, unless we're talking about Giant no Hoshi.
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

Yet Boruto somehow even outperformed both Kakashi and Minato who were both genuine prodigies with greater experience and skill. The Vanishing Rasengan makes it sound like Boruto is literally god's gift to wind chakra at the very least.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

I guess he needs some ridiculously implausible skill to stand apart from his daddy who is the strongest jinchuuriki ever and also basically the second coming of the Sage of Six Paths (even if he's really let himself go since the Fourth Shinobi World War).
 
RE: The Naruversity

Remember Salada also used Sakura's Megaton Punch subconsciously.

Himawari, too, is horribly overpowered.
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

Being real, all Himawari did was awaken the Byakugan like any Hyuuga and then accidently hit Naruto in the worst place. And I'm not convinced that Sarada wasn't taught Sakura's enhanced strength and, at most, took it further than she had before during the Gaiden. Plus that'd make her the only kid who was taught jack shit by her parents which is just sad.

Anyway, neither of those are on the level are essentially creating what is technically an S-rank jutsu while trying to learn one of the most advanced A-rank jutsu around in a few days. But whatever, it happened. I just hope Ikemoto/Kishimoto actually keep it consistent and make sure Boruto actually harnesses that unbelievable talent.

Another question: how could a Yang Release Rasengan or Yin Release Rasengan do to someone?
 
RE: The Naruversity

Well, we had Yin creatures that Tayuya summoned that devored someone's chackra on contact, so a Yin rasengan would probably just exhaust but not kill.
A Yang rasengan... a healing shiv?
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

Yang Release manipulates living cells, Yin Release manipulates noncorporeal spiritual things such as shadows and/or consciousness/perception. I think making a rasengan out of either of those types of chakra would be kind of pointless.

I mean, I suppose you could create a Rasengan that causes the victim's cells to break down like those nano-bugs, or one that traps the victim in an illusion. But considering the jutsu is supposed to outright pulverize the victim's body and kill them instantly, those secondary effects would be rather redundant in most cases.
 
RE: The Naruversity

Not exactly, an Yin Rasengan would be a good non-lethal version.
 
Village Hidden in the Sound (Knyght)

Knyght

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Village Hidden in the Sound (Official Version)

Oto, the Village Hidden in the Sound, is the latest hidden village to be formed in the ninja world and the first to be founded by a rogue ninja, Orochimaru of the Sannin.

Its true nature is unlike any of the other ninja organizations meant to serve as the military power of its respective nation. His desire was to create a hidden village not bound to a nation or ideals and would instead be used to express the individuality of ninja who didn't conform to the standards of their society.

Oto never existed as a single settlement of ninja but as a network of bases spread throughout the continent, sequestered away in lands without the protection and surveillance of the Five Great Hidden Village. Each of them were built within the land itself or kept far away from any wanderers to keep them hidden away from the world, and every hideout contains different aspects of Orochimaru's research to prevent the discovery of one from every doing true harm to his goals.

They did, however, create a main headquarters in the Land of Thunder designed to emulate the other hidden village so that Oto could be recognized in an official capacity. It was a weak and impoverished country that Orochimaru knew would be vulnerable to his exploitation.

The Land of Thunder was a victim of Sasori of the Red Sands and his hundred puppets who had torn his way through their disunited ninja clans to turn their best men into his human puppets. Practically their entire military power had been wiped out by a single man - heralding his recruitment into the Akatsuki in fact - and leaving them incredibly weak for years to come. By offering to provide the country with a new powerful military force capable of protecting them from any enemies gave Orochimaru great influence over the country's leaders.

However the true purpose was to allow Oto to build an alliance with Konoha so they could participate in the International Chuunin Exams a year later, setting the groundwork for Orochimaru's plan to invade Konoha and spark the Fourth Shinobi World War. No-one outside of Oto knew the true identity of the village's founder, a mysterious figure believed to actually be a woman who have lived as a mercenary ninja.

Moreover, the village could provide more money and resources for Orochimaru's research and experiments than he could as easily gather on his own. And using Oto allowed him to capture ninja from various clans and confine them within the prison built in the main settlement so that he can utilize them as experimental material for the development of new jutsu.

Orochimaru's power and charisma drew many ninja to his side; ninjas who did not belong to any clans, clans who were being driven to extinctions and criminal shinobi who saw the opportunity to become a part of a greater power. His great ambitions, ruthlessness and mastery of ninjutsu caused those ninja to worship him and are willing to throw away their lives for the sake of his ambitious achievements.

Oto's numbers grew rapidly in spite of being so new as Orochimaru did not limit himself to recruiting from a single country, instead recruiting from any country that had those willing to follow him out of fear, admiration or simple lust for power. But a result of that indiscriminate recruitment and Oto's deliberately divided state, it lacked the military strength of many other hidden villages which raise as many strong shinobi as possible to fulfill any mission requested of them and be able to defend their borders from invasion. Oto's strength is in its numbers, the varied nature of its ninja and how they are distributed around the continent rather than pure military might.

These ninja were granted the headband and uniform of a sound ninja once they had sworn their allegiance to Orochimaru. Each one covers their face with a mask in battle to keep their faces so that they might frighten their enemies as a horde of anonymous foes, not unlike the Anbu. It also helped them operated throughout Oto's numerous bases as it meant that they were unlikely to be recognized when unmasked as they moved through different lands.

Orochimaru was particularly skilled in finding young talent to join his side; children who have lost their family or homes and with unique gifts to make them stand out in the ninja world. He made them believe that they were special and that he could offer them power or acknowledgment or a home. In truth, those young recruits were often those were often used as research material for him to study new abilities or technology.

Five among them had the greatest potential to become powerful ninja in the future and Orochimaru personally saw to their development. Jirobou, Kidoumaru, Tayuya, Sakon/Ukon and Kimimaro survived the branding of the cursed seal and eventually lost their free will to its power, becoming completely devoted to Orochimaru. And so he trained them as his personal bodyguards who he knew could never betray him, teaching them fuuinjutsu and barrier ninjutsu and helping them realize their individual potential.

Unfortunately for Oto, the failure of the Konoha Crush started a slow death for the hidden village. The loss of their forces during the invasion, Orochimaru's crippled ability to use ninjutsu and the sacrifice of the Sound Five led to the Sannin losing the illusion of invulnerability he once held, causing more and more ninja to defect from the ranks when possible.

After Orochimaru was presumed to have been killed by Uchiha Sasuke and Kabuto disappeared for the sake of his own experiment, Oto simply self destructed. He had not built this village with the intention of anyone succeeding him as a leader. Those who wished to take control of the hidden village fought and killed one another while others simply left and the prisoners revolted in hopes of freedom. Within a few months of Orochimaru's defeat, Oto no longer existed as a hidden village. and was quickly forgotten by the shinobi world.
 
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Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

Nice writeup.

My only issue with Oto is that scene where Sasuke defeated a thousand of them literally without breaking a sweat or causing serious harm to any of them. I find that to be incredibly implausible, to the point where the only explanation that can satisfy my suspension of disbelief is either that Orochimaru ordered them to throw the fight (though why? To inflate Sasuke's ego?) or that they weren't real ninja, but rather barely trained fresh conscripts.

If the latter is true, that makes me think that the whole village is a sham. That Orochimaru only had a small number of real ninja followers (mostly just those he experimented on) and the rest of Oto was basically a Potemkin Village so that he fake his way into a chuunin exam. Which would also explain why all the Sound Ninja who invaded Konoha were total weaklings that were slaughtered en mass whenever they faced a Konoha Jounin.
 
RE: The Naruversity

Implausible because they were too many, you mean?

Are we even sure they were Saound ninja? That said, I wouldn't put Orochimaru beyond growing some thousands of genin-level scrubs for his experiments. Just good enough to be Genin, but powered up by Oro's drugs so they could be dangerous as Chunin(though I'd bet with a very shortened healthy life-span)
 

Knyght

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I forgett how freaking many there are every time.

I've gone into it some already but I could probably tie Oto's relative weakness more deeply into how the whole organization doesn't function like a normal hidden village because its more a useful pet project and the majority of members are just the dregs of society that get pulled into his wake.

Which would also explain why all the Sound Ninja who invaded Konoha were total weaklings that were slaughtered en mass whenever they faced a Konoha Jounin.
To be fair, among the invasion scenes we actually saw, the sound-nin only seemed to be the a group in the stadium getting beaten up by Kakashi and Asuma and the other group that got murdered by Asuma while Shikamaru had them in his Shadow Possession. Most of the other invaders we see get killed by various Konoha ninja were sand-nin (which I never noticed before now, tbh).
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

I always found that scene to be implausible not necessarily because there were too many opponents, but because Sasuke won so easily. He didn't kill any of them, he isn't sweating or winded, and judging by the lack of damage to the surrounding he didn't use any serious ninjutsu either. Even if those thousand opponents were all genin level Sasuke should still have needed to put some actual effort into defeating them all. (Even if he defeated them all with a single punch, a thousand punches in a row should have given him a decent workout!) He's not yet that god-like at that point in the manga.
 

Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

The parallel's clear but Kimimaro basically had it on easy mode in comparison. He just had to fight a couple hundred clones of the same person who appeared to do nothing but charge at him in groups with just taijutsu and were literally defeated in a single blow.
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

Easy mode, I say! Naruto did himself no favours splitting his chakra hundreds of times over. I could imagine being able to overcome Naruto when put in the same scenario but dying when put in Sasuke's.

Also, redrafted the Hidden Sound entry.
 
Yamato's Name (Knyght)

Knyght

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I sort of wanted to do a general background for Yamato but the Kakakashi Anbu filler arc makes me leery.

Yamato's Name

There was only one survivor among the children of the Land of Fire who were captured by Orochimaru for his experiments in recreating the Wood Release kekkei genkai with the First Hokage's cells.

The records of identity for those original subjects were lost and only referred to by the identification number Orochimaru used in his research, meaning that no one knew of survivor's birth name by the time he was recovered by Konoha Anbu's Root division.

He was trained as one of the Root Anbu from childhood and was given the codename Kinoe. But after multiple interactions with Hatake Kakashi due to the various missions they participated in as members of Anbu, Kinoe found that the life and ideals of Root no longer suited him. Eventually he rejected the organization and requested of the Third Hokage that he be allowed to operate within the standard Anbu forces.

Hiruzen agreed and gave Kinoe two new code names to reflect his new life. Tenzo was his name when working in Konoha's Anbu and he would come to be known Tenzo of the Wood Release among his companions for his unique abilities and impressive mission records. And Yamato was his public name for whenever he wasn't wearing a mask, whether it was for a mission that he would participate as a regular chuunin or jounin or for just living as another citizen in the village which he couldn't do as a part of Root.
 
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Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

Finally publishing on The Naruversity again and decided to do The Village Hidden in the Mist next. I'm rethinking my position on the Fourth Jinchuuriki's abilities as a jinchuuriki and how Obito defeated him. Currently it's like this:

Confident in his strength as the Fourth Mizukage, Yagura confronted the Tailed Beast directly in a contest over its chakra and actually emerged victorious. He subjugated the creature and stole the majority of its chakra for himself, allowing him to train with its power without its willful influence. Unknown to him, he had followed a similar path to Killer B in gaining control of its chakra yet Yagura never became partners with Isobu and they remained hostile to one another. But his mastery of its abilities meant that he became recognized worldwide as a perfect jinchuuriki too.
Yagura’s negative relationship with his Tailed Beast was actually what allowed Uchiha Obito to exploit them. Obito avoided a direct confrontation by ambushing the Fourth Mizukage, crushing his will with the hypnotic influence of his Mangekyou Sharingan as he had been taught by Uchiha Madara. With neither Yagura nor Isobu protecting the other from genjutsu, both were overcome by Obito and became subject to his control. And so the Hidden Mist itself fell under his control as well.
Now I'm wondering if I should play it straight and say that Yagura really was a perfect jinchuuriki - perhaps not as friendly as B and Gyuki but with a working partnership at least - and that his defeat came from Obito's suppressing their power with Wood Release (possibly with Tobi's help) and his Mangekyo Sharingan being able to overcome them both with genjutsu.
 
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