Naruto The Narutoversity
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RE: The Naruversity
After rereading those scenes with Zabuza, yeah I think I did overstate the power of the Sharingan's hypnosis. Rather than "just" planting suggestions in Zabuza's mind, Kakashi's did a bunch of things to him. He used the Sharingan's prediction power to copy his physical movements while using his own observations and analytical skills to predict his mental state and thoughts, which allowed him to interrupt and finish his sentences for him. This caused so much anxiety and insecurity in Zabuza's mind that the visual hypnosis was able to get into his subconscious and trick him into unknowingly signalling what jutsu he was planning to use and how he'd be using it, which is how Kakashi was able to not only copy it but finish before he could.
Which... honestly, sounds extraordinary extraordinarily complicate and rather farfetched. And he *did* technically implant one suggestion in Zabuza's mind, namely the "signal to me what jutsu you are going to use and how you will use it" part of that process. So my theory isn't wrong, per se. It's just that the person needs to have their "mental defenses" weakened for the hypnosis to work, you can't just implant suggestions in their head willy-nilly.
However, I also think you are understating how powerful Kotoamatsukami is. Or at least the version of it contained in Shisui's left eye. Remember, Itachi gave that eye to Naruto with the intention that it would be used against Sasuke in the event he turned against the village by giving him the command to "protect Konoha." That means that Itachi believed that jutsu could override a person's own desires. Danzou may have had a watered down version that only implant suggestions, but Itachi's version of the jutsu was straight up mind control.
Yup, this is how I meant it. A teenager is generally going to have significantly stronger chakra than a preschooler simply on account of being more physically and mentally mature. But yeah I could have worded it better.
Although anko does have a point that Obito may actually have had unusually powerful chakra and was just a late bloomer. He *was* a total badass later in life, and while Sasuke and Madara did outclass them they also got a massive buff from being incarnations of Indra.
After rereading those scenes with Zabuza, yeah I think I did overstate the power of the Sharingan's hypnosis. Rather than "just" planting suggestions in Zabuza's mind, Kakashi's did a bunch of things to him. He used the Sharingan's prediction power to copy his physical movements while using his own observations and analytical skills to predict his mental state and thoughts, which allowed him to interrupt and finish his sentences for him. This caused so much anxiety and insecurity in Zabuza's mind that the visual hypnosis was able to get into his subconscious and trick him into unknowingly signalling what jutsu he was planning to use and how he'd be using it, which is how Kakashi was able to not only copy it but finish before he could.
Which... honestly, sounds extraordinary extraordinarily complicate and rather farfetched. And he *did* technically implant one suggestion in Zabuza's mind, namely the "signal to me what jutsu you are going to use and how you will use it" part of that process. So my theory isn't wrong, per se. It's just that the person needs to have their "mental defenses" weakened for the hypnosis to work, you can't just implant suggestions in their head willy-nilly.
However, I also think you are understating how powerful Kotoamatsukami is. Or at least the version of it contained in Shisui's left eye. Remember, Itachi gave that eye to Naruto with the intention that it would be used against Sasuke in the event he turned against the village by giving him the command to "protect Konoha." That means that Itachi believed that jutsu could override a person's own desires. Danzou may have had a watered down version that only implant suggestions, but Itachi's version of the jutsu was straight up mind control.
Yup, this is how I meant it. A teenager is generally going to have significantly stronger chakra than a preschooler simply on account of being more physically and mentally mature. But yeah I could have worded it better.
Although anko does have a point that Obito may actually have had unusually powerful chakra and was just a late bloomer. He *was* a total badass later in life, and while Sasuke and Madara did outclass them they also got a massive buff from being incarnations of Indra.
RE: The Naruversity
I think we're intepreting the word "suggestion" a bit differently in this case but yeah, that's about it.
And I think Kakashi needed to go through this whole song and dance specifically so that he could beat Zabuza to the punch rather than simply cancelling him out like with the Water Dragon Jutsu.
Honestly, I just wasn't paying attention to the bit in the brackets which I assumed that was something you put in to differentiate ordinary hypnosis from Kotoamatsukami.
Yup, this is how I meant it. A teenager is generally going to have significantly stronger chakra than a preschooler simply on account of being more physically and mentally mature. But yeah I could have worded it better.
Although anko does have a point that Obito may actually have had unusually powerful chakra and was just a late bloomer. He *was* a total badass later in life, and while Sasuke and Madara did outclass them they also got a massive buff from being incarnations of Indra.
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Obito's "later in life" comes with Hashirama's cells and then training from the second secoming of the Sage of Six Paths so its not like he was without his own buffs. By himself, I just find it difficult to see him compared to the two guys who were said/shown to exceptionally powerful chakra. But if it's primary just an age thing then yeah, that's cool.
I think we're intepreting the word "suggestion" a bit differently in this case but yeah, that's about it.
And I think Kakashi needed to go through this whole song and dance specifically so that he could beat Zabuza to the punch rather than simply cancelling him out like with the Water Dragon Jutsu.
Honestly, I just wasn't paying attention to the bit in the brackets which I assumed that was something you put in to differentiate ordinary hypnosis from Kotoamatsukami.
Yup, this is how I meant it. A teenager is generally going to have significantly stronger chakra than a preschooler simply on account of being more physically and mentally mature. But yeah I could have worded it better.
Although anko does have a point that Obito may actually have had unusually powerful chakra and was just a late bloomer. He *was* a total badass later in life, and while Sasuke and Madara did outclass them they also got a massive buff from being incarnations of Indra.
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Obito's "later in life" comes with Hashirama's cells and then training from the second secoming of the Sage of Six Paths so its not like he was without his own buffs. By himself, I just find it difficult to see him compared to the two guys who were said/shown to exceptionally powerful chakra. But if it's primary just an age thing then yeah, that's cool.
RE: The Naruversity
Actually, we don't know if experience\etc causes a QUALITY change in chakra, making it more powerful. Hell, I don't remember Sasuke's chakra being called powerful, but I might be wrong
I also believe Kakashi managed to "control" and "counter" Zabuza's actions BECAUSE he put under hypnosis first: the hypnotic effect of the Sharingan did weaken Zabuza's mental defenses just enough for Kakashi's Acting work its magic
Actually, we don't know if experience\etc causes a QUALITY change in chakra, making it more powerful. Hell, I don't remember Sasuke's chakra being called powerful, but I might be wrong
I also believe Kakashi managed to "control" and "counter" Zabuza's actions BECAUSE he put under hypnosis first: the hypnotic effect of the Sharingan did weaken Zabuza's mental defenses just enough for Kakashi's Acting work its magic
RE: The Naruversity
Hmm. So you don't think chakra gets more potent with training and experience then? Do you think that's determined solely by genetics and/or outside factors like senjutsu, and aging and maturing only increase quantity?
I believe both Ino and Karin commented about the power of Sasuke's chakra, but those were when he first used the cursed seal and when he went crazy at the Hokage Summit (which was probably the moment Indra possessed him.)
So rather than planting suggestions in his head, what the Sharingan hypnosis actually did was simply to make him more SUGGESTIBLE to Kakashi's mundane manipulations? That does make a lot of sense.
Hmm. So you don't think chakra gets more potent with training and experience then? Do you think that's determined solely by genetics and/or outside factors like senjutsu, and aging and maturing only increase quantity?
I believe both Ino and Karin commented about the power of Sasuke's chakra, but those were when he first used the cursed seal and when he went crazy at the Hokage Summit (which was probably the moment Indra possessed him.)
So rather than planting suggestions in his head, what the Sharingan hypnosis actually did was simply to make him more SUGGESTIBLE to Kakashi's mundane manipulations? That does make a lot of sense.
RE: The Naruversity
We don't really know what exactly means a "powerful" chakra- so I have no idea what to think.
Experiences, though, only make up HALF of Chakra, the Spiritual Energy.
Maybe Powerful Chakra=Denser, more "compressed" Chakra?
It's also possible combining Spiritual and Physical don't give the same results for everybody: some people might be better at that, resulting either a greater chakra-per-stamina ratio or a "better" chakra
Pretty much- an experienced Jonin like Zabuza seem unlikely to fall for such simply systems if there isn't a trick to them.
We don't really know what exactly means a "powerful" chakra- so I have no idea what to think.
Experiences, though, only make up HALF of Chakra, the Spiritual Energy.
Maybe Powerful Chakra=Denser, more "compressed" Chakra?
It's also possible combining Spiritual and Physical don't give the same results for everybody: some people might be better at that, resulting either a greater chakra-per-stamina ratio or a "better" chakra
Pretty much- an experienced Jonin like Zabuza seem unlikely to fall for such simply systems if there isn't a trick to them.
RE: The Naruversity
Given the connection Chakra in general, and the Sharingan in particular, have to one's emotional state, it's possible that Obito's resolve when he activated his Sharingan for the first time also had an effect on the potency of his Chakra.
A desire to protect one's teammates is a very different emotional response than the sheer trauma of seeing your family killed, or resolving to kill your best friend over duty.
This doesn't invalidate the age suggestion of course, Obito was certainly the oldest person we're familiar with awakening his Sharingan, but there may be more to it than that.
I do have to wonder how Obito's example interacts with Tobirama's statements. The Will to Protect isn't a negative thing or an emotional trauma like the rest of the extant examples. It seems to me that all that's necessary for the basic Sharingan to awaken and evolve is strong emotion. It was just easier during the hell of the Warring Clans period for negative emotion to be the trigger, and given the nature of Shinobi life even under the Villages, negatives would still be more common than strong positives.
Given the connection Chakra in general, and the Sharingan in particular, have to one's emotional state, it's possible that Obito's resolve when he activated his Sharingan for the first time also had an effect on the potency of his Chakra.
A desire to protect one's teammates is a very different emotional response than the sheer trauma of seeing your family killed, or resolving to kill your best friend over duty.
This doesn't invalidate the age suggestion of course, Obito was certainly the oldest person we're familiar with awakening his Sharingan, but there may be more to it than that.
I do have to wonder how Obito's example interacts with Tobirama's statements. The Will to Protect isn't a negative thing or an emotional trauma like the rest of the extant examples. It seems to me that all that's necessary for the basic Sharingan to awaken and evolve is strong emotion. It was just easier during the hell of the Warring Clans period for negative emotion to be the trigger, and given the nature of Shinobi life even under the Villages, negatives would still be more common than strong positives.
RE: The Naruversity
Tobirama's statement was erroneous, because Tobirama was negatively biased toward the Uchiha. Hell, most likely he never run his theories by others, cross-checked or even, you know, JUST ASKED- Tobirama was SHIT as a scientist.
Whatever doubt about it has been cancelled by Salada awakening hers out of sheer lovey-dovey family delusions.
Sharingan awakes\power-up over STRONG emotions, negative emotions just being the most common in the warring clans age.
Which means Salada will awake her Mangekyo by being confessed by Bolt. Maybe.
Tobirama's statement was erroneous, because Tobirama was negatively biased toward the Uchiha. Hell, most likely he never run his theories by others, cross-checked or even, you know, JUST ASKED- Tobirama was SHIT as a scientist.
Whatever doubt about it has been cancelled by Salada awakening hers out of sheer lovey-dovey family delusions.
Sharingan awakes\power-up over STRONG emotions, negative emotions just being the most common in the warring clans age.
Which means Salada will awake her Mangekyo by being confessed by Bolt. Maybe.
RE: The Naruversity
But it's not just Tobirama who said that the Sharingan is powered up by negative emotions. Itachi also stated that awakening the Mangekyou required you to betray someone you loved. So either the Mangekyou at least requires a traumatic negative emotion to awaken, or the entire Uchiha clan was totally ignorant about their own bloodline.
But it's not just Tobirama who said that the Sharingan is powered up by negative emotions. Itachi also stated that awakening the Mangekyou required you to betray someone you loved. So either the Mangekyou at least requires a traumatic negative emotion to awaken, or the entire Uchiha clan was totally ignorant about their own bloodline.
RE: The Naruversity
Of course the Clan was ignorant: whatever it was written on the Stone Tablet it was altered by Black Zetsu. And in the Warring Clan age, strong NEGATIVE emotions are a dime a dozen, while strong POSITIVE emotions are much more uncommon.
Basically, by the time you could fall in love or something, it's 99,99999% likely you already developed your Sharingan because some bad shit happened.
Of course the Clan was ignorant: whatever it was written on the Stone Tablet it was altered by Black Zetsu. And in the Warring Clan age, strong NEGATIVE emotions are a dime a dozen, while strong POSITIVE emotions are much more uncommon.
Basically, by the time you could fall in love or something, it's 99,99999% likely you already developed your Sharingan because some bad shit happened.
Mangekyo Sharingan (Research Notes) (Knyght)
Oops, I did it again.
Mangekyo Sharingan (Research Notes) (Version 1)
Mangekyo Sharingan (Research Notes) (Version 1)
- Those with the Sharingan can resist the Mangekyou Sharingan more than ordinary ninja but only a Uchiha with the Sharingan can break it.
- Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu where Itachi controls time, space and matter. This instance lasted three days in the dreamworld and only a second in the real world.
- Kakashi collapsed from the stress and was left bedridden.
- Itachi originally cast Tsukuyomi with "Mangekyo Sharingan" and made Sasuke watch him murder their parents. Next time, Itachi made Sasuke watch it for 24 hours.
- The Mangekyo Sharingan should only be used so many times in one day. Itachi needed to rest after three uses as it uses a considerable amount of chakra.
- Amaterasu is capable of burning through the fire resistant stomach of the rock toad.
- The existence of the Mangekyo Sharingan isn’t a secret among the Uchiha. The special conditions required for its awakening is.
- The Mangekyo Sharingan requires you to kill your closest friend.
- The secrets of the Mangekyo Sharingan are kept in the Naka Shrine on a tablet.
- Kakashi discovered that he had the Mangekyo Sharingan during the timeskip and learn that it damages eyesight through his own experience.
- It initially required a lot of time to gather the chakra needed to activate his Mangekyo Sharingan. He referred to the Kamui as "Mangekyo Sharingan." His ability was shown to create a barrier space which sends anything caught in it to another space. He struggled to control it, it was relatively slow to use and it pained him. Two and a half uses made it difficult for him to move afterwards for over ten days (judging by his time in hospital).
- After the Uchiha Massacre, there were two people with the Mangekyo Sharingan.
- Uchiha Madara was the first to awaken the Mangekyo Sharingan. So did his brother, Izuna.
- The Mangekyo Sharingan can control the Nine-Tails.
- The cost of the Sharingan is that it causes blindness. The more they are used, the faster they lose their eyesight. Conventional means are not able to restore the lost eyesight.
- By taking the eyes of his younger brother, Madara restored his lost eye sight and never suffered from blindness again. This is known as the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan and the Uchiha sacrificed one another to try and achieve this power.
- The Tsukuyomi can be made to look like the real world.
- Sasuke proved that his Sharingan can break the Tsukuyomi which had a backlash on Itachi.
- The Mangekyo’s blindness causes double vision. Using its jutsu caused the blood vessels in the eyes to swell and bleed.
- Amaterasu are said to never be extinguished until they’ve burned the target and can even burn fire itself. It appears at the point where the caster is looking and can be created continually along their line of sight. The caster can extinguish the flames themselves.
- Once the Sharingan has practically lost all of its vision, the tomoe fade away.
- When Itachi awakened Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, he awakened Susanoo. His Susanoo wields the Totsuka Blade and the Yata Mirror. Using Susanoo damages the body.
- Obito could transport himself from one place to another entirely or to specific body parts.
- Itachi implanted a single use of Amaterasu in Sasuke with fuuinjutsu.
- Izuna volunteered to give his eyes to Madara but most believe that he stole them.
- After Sasuke learned the truth of Itachi and mourned him, he awoke the Mangekyo Sharingan.
- Sasuke can use his Mangekyo Sharingan to cast a genjutsu and extract information from a victim. He also used it to paralyze Killer B and later C who collapsed and needed to move later.
- He awakened Amaterasu after thinking of Taka and Team 7. He was immediately able to extinguish it as well which caused additional pain. His eyesight had suffered after the battle.
- Kakashi activate his Mangekyo fast enough to transport a nail to save his life and could transport a missile while in flight.
- Sasuke activated the Susanoo to protect himself from a killing move, first manifesting a just a ribcage.
- If Amaterasu’s target moves before the attack hits, it continues along the line of sight until it hits something.
- Sasuke could manipulate Amaterasu’s flames and changed its shape with his right eye which itachi couldn’t do. The ability is called Kagutsuchi, the style is called Blaze Release.
- Sasuke could create the entire upper body of Susanoo’s skeleton which grew darker in appearance. He claimed that the Susanoo can only be activated by those who awaken both Mangekyo Sharingan. It could create a sword. It’s able to protect him fully even though there are gaps between the rib cages. It causes the cells of the entire body to hurt. Increasing Susanoo’s strength and size causes it to darken in appearance. He can manifest specific body parts like an arm and hand.
- Tobi could teleport other people and send them to his unique dimension. He says that awakening Susanoo is rare.
- The Uchiha tablet needs to be read with doujutsu.
- Tobi can release people from that dimension as well.
- The next stage of Susanoo creates muscle fibers over the bones.
- It is tough enough to break a kunai on impact.
- Its body can be extended to reach further away from Sasuke.
- Sasuke can move within its body.
- Sasuke doesn’t need to cast his genjutsu from a specific eye. His is significantly weaker than Itachi’s Tsukuyomi.
- After growing muscles, it grows flesh to cover itself.
- Sasuke’s Susanoo uses a bow and arrow.
- Using Susanoo inflicts enough internal damage to cause bleeding.
- As Susanoo’s body continues to develops, the more layers of defence it possesses.
- As Sasuke weakens, his Susanoo weakens in return.
- Danzo can use Shisui’s eye at least twice a day.
- The Mangekyo Sharingan can be active in one eye.
- Upon unlocking Susanoo’s flesh covered form, Sasuke can immediately activate it in that state.
- Kakashi’s mastery of his Mangekyo Sharingan reaches the point where he can instantly activate it and use its power to transport a high speed projectile.
- Sasuke reached the point where he could clad his Susanoo in armour and even combine it with Amaterasu until he lost his eyesight.
- Even a single use of Kamui can impact Kakashi’s abilities.
- Kakashi calls his jutsu "Kamui" for the first time.
- Controlling the Nine-Tails doesn’t require the Mangekyo Sharingan itself to be used.
- Tobi needs to physically materialize to teleport himself and it takes longer to teleport others. He can only remain intangible for 5 minutes at a time.
- Amaterasu can be used on two targets at once.
- Shisui’s Mangekyo has Kotoamatsukami which could control someone without them realising. It can only be used once every ten years without Hashirama’s chakra.
- Even once the multiple forms of Susanoo have been unlocked, they can switch between forms.
- Susanoo can create and throw projectiles in the shape of tomoe. Madara can create a bunch of them and Sasuke can combine them with Amaterasu.
- Sasuke can combine his Susanoo’s sword with Amaterasu.
- Madara’s Susanoo has two faces.
- Someone using Susanoo can be pulled out of its form, causing it to dematerialize.
- Susanoo can perform hand-seals.
- The Mangekyo Sharingan can control other Tailed Beasts.
- Sasuke can perform his genjutsu with his left eye too and force the victim to provide information.
- When damaged, Susanoo has cracks form across its entire surface.
- Susanoo can materialize within solid objects.
- Objects can be thrown outside of Susanoo.
- The MS can see chakra like the regular Sharingan.
- Susanoo doesn’t protect them from light or sound and can’t be maintained if sufficiently distracted.
- Amaterasu can be used defensively by casting it all around to form a wall.
- The EMS still bleeds when casting jutsu.
- It is still called Genjutsu: Sharingan even with the EMS.
- Itachi can control people when casting genjutsu from his MS.
- Susanoo can be created with the entire body, not just its upper half.
- Clones can use Susanoo too.
- Madara uses Genjutsu: Sharingan with his EMS as well.
- Susanoo can be taken to another level known as Perfect Susanoo. Once the chakra has stabilized, it can create a giant armoured Susanoo which can destroy mountains with the force of its sword swing.
- Itachi achieved the MS when Shisui killed himself.
- Tobi can stop Kakashi’s Kamui.
- Tobi’s Kamui can suck things in and let him slip through objects. Whichever part of his body overlaps with another objects slips into his space-time. He can eject objects from his space-time with momentum. Inside the space-time itself, Obito is vulnerable. He can use the distortion created by Kamui to manipulate his Fire Release.
- Susanoo’s chakra can be used to protect even without creating any part of the body.
- Awakening the Mangekyo Sharingan causes it to reach full maturity at the same time.
- Obito slips through objects unconsciously when the ability is active.
- During the war, Kakashi learn to teleport himself and eject others.
- Susanoo can be used to create armour for Tailed Beasts.
- Sasuke can create a sword of Amaterasu and shoot arrows from it.
- Tobirama was witnessed Kagutsuchi previously.
- Sasuke can control external sources of chakra like Juugo’s senjutsu chakra or the Tailed Beasts’ through his Susanoo.
- Sasuke’s Mangekyo is a Choku Tomoe. Madara has the same type.
- Madara can use Susanoo even while blind. And he could control the movement of its sword.
- Using Kamui’s teleportation with both eyes makes it twice as fast.
- Indra could use Susanoo or a jutsu with the exact same appearance.
- Sasuke’s Perfect Susanoo can fly and so can Kakashi’s.
- Kamui can enter other dimensions and open portals to other dimensions with both eyes.
- Obito can mark spots to return to from his space-time.
- Kakashi’s Susanoo could create shuriken and combine them with Kamui.
- Sasuke can channel his Chidori through Susanoo and create arrows using lightning chakra.
- Shin and his clones can manipulate marked objects without a known limit to how many.
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RE: The Naruversity
Random fact: in the anime Fugaku himself has the Mangekyou. I don't know if that information really matters though, or how much you care for anime canon when writing these theories.
Not technically true. Obito merely witnessed the death of the girl he loved by the hand of his best friend. Still really traumatic and he likely blamed himself for failing to save her and felt guilty as hell about it, but he didn't actually murder her. Likewise Itachi didn't kill Shisui, he watched Shisui commit suicide.
I think it's more safe to say that that awakening the Mangekyou requires you to directly experience the traumatic loss of a loved one, and directly killing that loved one yourself is just a shortcut many Uchiha have used to force those conditions.
Can we really trust the person who gave us this information? If Madara really had stolen Izuna's eyes, would he actually have confessed that to Obito? And would Obito have told that truth to Sasuke when he was currently pretending to be Madara and trying to gain Sasuke's trust?
Random fact: in the anime Fugaku himself has the Mangekyou. I don't know if that information really matters though, or how much you care for anime canon when writing these theories.
Not technically true. Obito merely witnessed the death of the girl he loved by the hand of his best friend. Still really traumatic and he likely blamed himself for failing to save her and felt guilty as hell about it, but he didn't actually murder her. Likewise Itachi didn't kill Shisui, he watched Shisui commit suicide.
I think it's more safe to say that that awakening the Mangekyou requires you to directly experience the traumatic loss of a loved one, and directly killing that loved one yourself is just a shortcut many Uchiha have used to force those conditions.
Can we really trust the person who gave us this information? If Madara really had stolen Izuna's eyes, would he actually have confessed that to Obito? And would Obito have told that truth to Sasuke when he was currently pretending to be Madara and trying to gain Sasuke's trust?
RE: The Naruversity
I decided to just write these notes up in relatively chronological order (story-wise) without trying reconcile them with the later revelations so yeah, there's definitely some contradictions in there because we know Kishimoto mixed things up later on.
I miss the days when it really did seem like you needed to kill a loved one for the Mangekyo.
Obito's version of Madara's story seemed off in general after skimming through it. But I definitely think that Izuna volunteered based on Madara's feelings towards his brothers and the circumstances around Izuna's death.
Usually I ignore it because if so often contradicts what I'm writing. Only time I remember even referencing the anime is for my "Chuukichi has Ice Release" theory. :huh:
Fugaku's reference to the Mangekyo makes it sound like he doesn't have it but Sasuke's just a kid at the time anyway. Though would he be so cavalier in revealing it if he knew the believed conditions of its awakening?
I decided to just write these notes up in relatively chronological order (story-wise) without trying reconcile them with the later revelations so yeah, there's definitely some contradictions in there because we know Kishimoto mixed things up later on.
I miss the days when it really did seem like you needed to kill a loved one for the Mangekyo.
Obito's version of Madara's story seemed off in general after skimming through it. But I definitely think that Izuna volunteered based on Madara's feelings towards his brothers and the circumstances around Izuna's death.
Usually I ignore it because if so often contradicts what I'm writing. Only time I remember even referencing the anime is for my "Chuukichi has Ice Release" theory. :huh:
Fugaku's reference to the Mangekyo makes it sound like he doesn't have it but Sasuke's just a kid at the time anyway. Though would he be so cavalier in revealing it if he knew the believed conditions of its awakening?
Mangekyo Sharingan v1 (Knyght)
As per usual, got bored and couldn't be bothered to do the relevant jutsu as planned.
Mangekyo Sharingan v1 (Version 2)
The Mangekyo Sharingan is the evolved state of the Sharingan, the kekkei genkai of the Uchiha Clan. The three tomoe transform into a new pattern unique to the individual, hence why it is known as a 'kaleidoscope'.
The evolution increases the innate power of the Sharingan itself and it is able to directly amplify the Eye of Insight to improve the clarity of its perception or the Eye of Hypnosis to weave even more powerful illusions. Those that excel in amplifying the former are known as Straight Tomoe and those that excel in amplifying the latter are Cursed Tomoe.
In addition to strengthening the Sharingan's existing abilities, the Mangekyo allows its wielder to harness at least one powerful jutsu that makes them far more dangerous than the typical Uchiha. These abilities would take years, if not decades, for ordinary ninja to create and likely still would not be as powerful as the Mangekyo's.
And lastly, those with the Mangekyo Sharingan possess the ability to dominate the Tailed Beasts and bind them to their will. The awakening causes their chakra to reach a state closer to its original source, a connection which gives it power over them.
The cost of the Mangekyo Sharingan is that its eyesight inevitably degrades until renders the Uchiha blind. Even if they never use the eyes, they would eventually lose their eyesight but the more they use the eyes then the faster they go blind.
Each use of the Mangekyo Sharingan costs a significant amount of chakra and injures the eye itself and makes it bleed. The combination of pain and fatigue makes it very difficult to wield the doujutsu for prolonged periods in battle, and the more they use it in succession then the faster the damage progresses.
Conventional medicine and medical ninjutsu are not able to restore any of the lost eyesight. At best, they can delay how quickly the eyes go blind but it cannot reverse the damage itself.
Very few have ever awakened this power yet its origins lie with the progenitor of the clan.
Otsutsuki Indra had the Sharingan and its powers of insight and hypnosis from birth but he harnessed even greater ocular powers later in life. He found that he could transform his eyes into the Mangekyo Sharingan - though he did not have such a name for it - through which he can unleash various powers such an igniting an unquenchable flame or weaving an unbreakable illusions. These abilities were passed down to his descendants but was buried deep in their bloodline and requires an extreme trigger to draw them out.
While the Sharingan is awakened through strong emotion, this is awakened by directly experiencing the traumatic loss of a loved one and granting them even greater power.
The first to awaken the Mangekyo Sharingan were the brothers Uchiha Madara and Uchiha Izuna. Their father had been steadily losing his mind for years due to their bloody lifestyle and his instability fractured the clan yet his strength kept him in charge. To save their clan, the brothers killed their own father. However their love for their father made it a painful deed which acted as a powerful emotional trigger for the Mangkeyo Sharingan. They discovered this new power together and used it to unite the clan again behind Madara as their new leader.
Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan
The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan is the final stage of the doujutsu.
By replacing their Mangekyo Sharingan with that of a direct blood relative such as a sibling, parent or offspring, the host's chakra mixes with the donor's in the transplanted eyes to awaken a more powerful version of the doujutsu.
Those who possess it can wield all of the powers of their Mangekyo Sharingan without suffering any physical strain or blindness. This evolution is reflected in the changed pattern of the eyes which are a combination of the host and donor's original ones.
The doujutsu's abilities are actually no more powerful than before. Every use of the eyes in their previous state was physically painful to use and had permanent consequences meant that it needed to be used sparingly; they would almost never be practiced like ordinary jutsu and would be tested in live combat instead. Now that the only cost is the amount of chakra, the wielder can practice and experiment with their doujutsu as much as they need and their concentration isn't disturbed by the pain. This makes it far easier for them to draw out their doujutsu's true potential and makes a Uchiha with the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan far more dangerous than their previous self.
The only two people to have ever awakened the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan are Uchiha Madara and Uchiha Sasuke.
In his numerous battles against Senju Clan, Madara had nearly lost all of his eyesight from overusing the Mangekyo Sharingan. As his younger brother Izuna lay dying from their last battle with the Senju, Izuna offered his less damaged eyes to his brother so that he could continue protecting the Uchiha Clan in his absence. Madara tore out his own eyes and replaced them with his brother's, unknowingly starting the transformation that restored its sight and made it eternal.
Those who followed in the brothers' footsteps and awakened the Mangekyo Sharingan themselves tried to achieve this evolution as well but continually failed. With there only being a single precedent - and the exact circumstances involved weren't something that Madara shared with his brethren - Uchiha would steal the eyes of their own clansmen in the hopes of awakening the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan only to fail continually. It was only through trial and error that they came to the conclusion that it would only work with a direct blood relative who had awakened the Mangkeyo Sharingan themselves.
But awakening the Mangekyo Sharingan became less common over the generations; the initial craze for its power fading and the Uchiha placing strict control over one another. It became a rare thing but those who did possess its power were still respected among the clan for said power.
Mangekyo Sharingan v1 (Version 2)
The Mangekyo Sharingan is the evolved state of the Sharingan, the kekkei genkai of the Uchiha Clan. The three tomoe transform into a new pattern unique to the individual, hence why it is known as a 'kaleidoscope'.
The evolution increases the innate power of the Sharingan itself and it is able to directly amplify the Eye of Insight to improve the clarity of its perception or the Eye of Hypnosis to weave even more powerful illusions. Those that excel in amplifying the former are known as Straight Tomoe and those that excel in amplifying the latter are Cursed Tomoe.
In addition to strengthening the Sharingan's existing abilities, the Mangekyo allows its wielder to harness at least one powerful jutsu that makes them far more dangerous than the typical Uchiha. These abilities would take years, if not decades, for ordinary ninja to create and likely still would not be as powerful as the Mangekyo's.
And lastly, those with the Mangekyo Sharingan possess the ability to dominate the Tailed Beasts and bind them to their will. The awakening causes their chakra to reach a state closer to its original source, a connection which gives it power over them.
The cost of the Mangekyo Sharingan is that its eyesight inevitably degrades until renders the Uchiha blind. Even if they never use the eyes, they would eventually lose their eyesight but the more they use the eyes then the faster they go blind.
Each use of the Mangekyo Sharingan costs a significant amount of chakra and injures the eye itself and makes it bleed. The combination of pain and fatigue makes it very difficult to wield the doujutsu for prolonged periods in battle, and the more they use it in succession then the faster the damage progresses.
Conventional medicine and medical ninjutsu are not able to restore any of the lost eyesight. At best, they can delay how quickly the eyes go blind but it cannot reverse the damage itself.
Very few have ever awakened this power yet its origins lie with the progenitor of the clan.
Otsutsuki Indra had the Sharingan and its powers of insight and hypnosis from birth but he harnessed even greater ocular powers later in life. He found that he could transform his eyes into the Mangekyo Sharingan - though he did not have such a name for it - through which he can unleash various powers such an igniting an unquenchable flame or weaving an unbreakable illusions. These abilities were passed down to his descendants but was buried deep in their bloodline and requires an extreme trigger to draw them out.
While the Sharingan is awakened through strong emotion, this is awakened by directly experiencing the traumatic loss of a loved one and granting them even greater power.
The first to awaken the Mangekyo Sharingan were the brothers Uchiha Madara and Uchiha Izuna. Their father had been steadily losing his mind for years due to their bloody lifestyle and his instability fractured the clan yet his strength kept him in charge. To save their clan, the brothers killed their own father. However their love for their father made it a painful deed which acted as a powerful emotional trigger for the Mangkeyo Sharingan. They discovered this new power together and used it to unite the clan again behind Madara as their new leader.
Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan
The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan is the final stage of the doujutsu.
By replacing their Mangekyo Sharingan with that of a direct blood relative such as a sibling, parent or offspring, the host's chakra mixes with the donor's in the transplanted eyes to awaken a more powerful version of the doujutsu.
Those who possess it can wield all of the powers of their Mangekyo Sharingan without suffering any physical strain or blindness. This evolution is reflected in the changed pattern of the eyes which are a combination of the host and donor's original ones.
The doujutsu's abilities are actually no more powerful than before. Every use of the eyes in their previous state was physically painful to use and had permanent consequences meant that it needed to be used sparingly; they would almost never be practiced like ordinary jutsu and would be tested in live combat instead. Now that the only cost is the amount of chakra, the wielder can practice and experiment with their doujutsu as much as they need and their concentration isn't disturbed by the pain. This makes it far easier for them to draw out their doujutsu's true potential and makes a Uchiha with the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan far more dangerous than their previous self.
The only two people to have ever awakened the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan are Uchiha Madara and Uchiha Sasuke.
In his numerous battles against Senju Clan, Madara had nearly lost all of his eyesight from overusing the Mangekyo Sharingan. As his younger brother Izuna lay dying from their last battle with the Senju, Izuna offered his less damaged eyes to his brother so that he could continue protecting the Uchiha Clan in his absence. Madara tore out his own eyes and replaced them with his brother's, unknowingly starting the transformation that restored its sight and made it eternal.
Those who followed in the brothers' footsteps and awakened the Mangekyo Sharingan themselves tried to achieve this evolution as well but continually failed. With there only being a single precedent - and the exact circumstances involved weren't something that Madara shared with his brethren - Uchiha would steal the eyes of their own clansmen in the hopes of awakening the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan only to fail continually. It was only through trial and error that they came to the conclusion that it would only work with a direct blood relative who had awakened the Mangkeyo Sharingan themselves.
But awakening the Mangekyo Sharingan became less common over the generations; the initial craze for its power fading and the Uchiha placing strict control over one another. It became a rare thing but those who did possess its power were still respected among the clan for said power.
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History of Shinobi (Research Notes) (Knyght)
So this time it's the convoluted and (mostly) ancient history of the Narutoverse. Filled with all kinds of contradictions and a tad repetitive since I just tried to collect everything in the story's chronological order and Kishimoto changed all kinds of stuff here. Tell me if I'm missing any relevant manga pages.
History of Shinobi
History of Shinobi
- It was said that the Sage of Six Paths was the father of all shinobi, had the Rinnegan and created all known jutsu.
- The Rinnegan itself is considered a myth even by being who have lived for 800 years ago..
- The Sage supposedly created the moon with Chibaku Tensei.
- He was a monk who discovered the workings of chakra and tried to lead to the world to peace. He preached Ninshu which came to be known as Ninjutsu and was considered the saviour of the world.
- The Sage had two sons whose descendants became the Senju and Uchiha. He couldn’t achieve world peace and chose his younger son to continue his dream.
- The Sage of Six Paths was also known as the God of Shinobi who once saved the world from the Ten-Tails which was the original form of the Tailed Beasts. He sealed the Ten-Tails inside himself and became its jinchuuriki.
- Later created the nine Tailed Beasts using Yin-Yang Release from the Ten-Tails’ chakra.
- The Sage had five treasured tools.
- He named the nine beasts and believed they would be reunited one day and led properly.
- The Ten-Tails is known as the beginning of all chakra, had many names and supposedly created the world. It is as natural as the world itself and its power is immeasurable.
- Madara awakened the Rinnegan as an old man and used it to retrieve the husk of the Ten-Tails from the moon.
- Chakra originated with the God Tree. It was stolen from the tree and seeks to retrieve it.
- People warred with each other before chakra. They worshipped the God Tree which bore fruit once a millennium. Otsutsuki Kaguya ate the fruit to be the first person to have chakra, used its god-like power to end all wars and had a child that was born with chakra.This history was written on the Uchiha tablet.
- Ninshu was using chakra to connect spiritual energy for people to understand one another. Instead people using its to connect their physical and spiritual energy to amplify their chakra for battle like Kaguya.
- The Infinite Tsukuyomi is created by the eye in the flower of the God Tree reflecting on the moon to cast a genjutsu on the world.
- The Sword of Nunoboko was used by the Sage to create the world.
- The Sage of Six Paths was called Otsutsuki Hagoromo. He disagrees with the concept of ninjutsu.
- Otsutsuki Kaguya came from a faraway land, ate the chakra fruit and conquered the land. She was known as the Rabbit Goddess/Demon and had two children, Hagoromo and Hamura. Hagoromo believes that the Ten-Tails was the incarnation of the God Tree that wanted to take its chakra back.
- Sometime later, Hagoromo had two children, Asura and Indra. Asura was a loser who needed lots of help and preached cooperation, Indra was genius who kicked ass and believed power was most important. Asura eventually equaled his brother.
- Hagoromo named Asura the leader of Ninshu after creating the Tailed Beasts. Indra disagreed. The brothers had a feud that’s still ongoing as they reincarnate inside selected successors of their will.
- Madara stole Hashirama’s flesh which mixed Indra and Asura’s chakra to recreate the Rinnegan.
- Kaguya ruled over the world, grew arrogant and became a Demon. She used the Infinite Tsukuyomi to turn people into living slaves and has the powers of the Byakugan and Sharingan. Apparently she wanted to remake the chakra fruit.
- There was a prophecy that a blue eyed child would make friends with the Tailed Beasts.
- The Infinite Tsukuyomi was originally used to turn people into soldiers known as White Zetsu.
- Kaguya was sealed away by Hagoromo and Hamura. Black Zetsu was created before she was sealed to revive her by recording and shaping history.
- Chibaku Tensei was originally used to seal away Kaguya as its core which became the moon.
- The Ten-Tails is the combination of Kaguya and the God Tree trying to take back the chakra her children got when they were born.
- Black Zetsu manipulated Indra when Asura was selected as Hagoromo’s successor and he manipulated the Uchiha Clan using the tablet that Hagoromo left behind for them. He repeatedly tried to recreate the Rinnegan by manipulating the Senju and Uchiha. Madara cheated death against Hashirama, awakened the Rinnegan and summoned the Gedo Mazou. It pretended to be created by Madara.
- Sasuke suspects that the White Zetsu were created as soldiers to fight a greater threat.
- Otsutsuki Kinshiki and Momoshiki are seeking the chakra of the Chakra Fruit to create an elixir which strengthens them and prolongs their lives.
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RE: The Naruversity
Question: Should I change The Naruversity to The Narutoversity?
I simply swapped Uni for the Naru in Naruto when I came up with it but Narutoversity makes it more clear what it's about and also refers to the Narutoverse as it's commonly known. It'd just require me to go and fix all the the links I've used that have naruversity in them since that probably isn't automatic.
Question: Should I change The Naruversity to The Narutoversity?
I simply swapped Uni for the Naru in Naruto when I came up with it but Narutoversity makes it more clear what it's about and also refers to the Narutoverse as it's commonly known. It'd just require me to go and fix all the the links I've used that have naruversity in them since that probably isn't automatic.
Hiding with Camouflage Jutsu (Knyght)
Hiding with Camouflage Jutsu (Official Version)
The Second Tsuchikage was known as the Non-Person for the stealth ninjutsu that he invented to render undetectable to almost all senses. It’s said that the bandages he always wore were used to covering disfiguring burn scars from his childhood and that he sought to find a way to make himself truly invisible.
But the secrets of the ninjutsu were not something he shared with anyone and it was thus lost after his death. But that didn't stop Iwagakure from trying to reinvent it for their own use.
Years of development led to the creation of the Hiding with Camouflage Jutsu. Most stealth ninjutsu requires the caster to be in the right terrain or to create a substance to hide themselves in but this one is usable on any terrain.
At its most basic, this ninjutsu controls how light is reflected around their body with chakra inflections so that they take on the appearance of the landscape around them, making them impossible to see with normal eyes. But this is just the beginning as the level of stealth the caster can achieve increases as their proficiency with the jutsu grows.
They can learn to suppress the scent produce by their body to avoid leaving trails, muffle any of the noises they make so they cannot be heard, prevent their body heat from escaping and even disguise their chakra signature so that it cannot be sensed by others. Its one weakness is that there is no way to make them as intangible as they are invisible so they can be detected through physical touch.
Given its potential, Iwagakure has always been cautious in who learns it to avoid allowing any other hidden villages from stealing its secrets. So only jounin from Iwa know the jutsu and were able to use it to great effect during the Third Shinobi World War.
The Second Tsuchikage was known as the Non-Person for the stealth ninjutsu that he invented to render undetectable to almost all senses. It’s said that the bandages he always wore were used to covering disfiguring burn scars from his childhood and that he sought to find a way to make himself truly invisible.
But the secrets of the ninjutsu were not something he shared with anyone and it was thus lost after his death. But that didn't stop Iwagakure from trying to reinvent it for their own use.
Years of development led to the creation of the Hiding with Camouflage Jutsu. Most stealth ninjutsu requires the caster to be in the right terrain or to create a substance to hide themselves in but this one is usable on any terrain.
At its most basic, this ninjutsu controls how light is reflected around their body with chakra inflections so that they take on the appearance of the landscape around them, making them impossible to see with normal eyes. But this is just the beginning as the level of stealth the caster can achieve increases as their proficiency with the jutsu grows.
They can learn to suppress the scent produce by their body to avoid leaving trails, muffle any of the noises they make so they cannot be heard, prevent their body heat from escaping and even disguise their chakra signature so that it cannot be sensed by others. Its one weakness is that there is no way to make them as intangible as they are invisible so they can be detected through physical touch.
Given its potential, Iwagakure has always been cautious in who learns it to avoid allowing any other hidden villages from stealing its secrets. So only jounin from Iwa know the jutsu and were able to use it to great effect during the Third Shinobi World War.
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