Touma, Accelerator and IMAGINE BURREEEKKAAA

[Ashaman]

Wait...so Othinus entrusted the world to Touma...what does that mean in the long run?

That's not exactly what happened.

Basically, Othinus's original goal was to find someone on her level. Someone who could understand her.

But in the worlds she creates, she's bored. Everyone there are just puppets.

In order to get what she wanted, she had to go back to her original world.

But even there its not garunteed she'd find what she wanted.

Touma on the other hand could provide what she wanted.

So when faced with her final choice, because due to her fight with Touma her ability to create new worlds was comprimised, she decided that rather than possibly search her original world and not find what she was looking for, she'd go to Touma's world, who could provide her with what she wanted.

 

[KurokamiDG]

Ok. So yeah she's definitely apart of the harem now.

 

[foreverzero]

So when faced with her final choice, because due to her fight with Touma her ability to create new worlds was comprimised, she decided that rather than possibly search her original world and not find what she was looking for, she'd go to Touma's world, who could provide her with what she wanted.

As far as I'm aware, her ability to create new worlds was still perfectly intact. The purpose of that final fight was simply to convince her that she should stop wasting time fumbling around in new worlds when it wasn't what she wanted. With Touma showing that another opportunity would lead to him winning, she had to make a split second decision, since he was dying and Imagine Breaker would go with him, moving on to another form on another person. She could simply roll back time again at which point Touma has enough experience to win his next fight, or she could use the Imagine Breaker to revert the world back to a prior existence before she started layering new worlds over top of it.

Touma was simply trying to make her happy by forcing her to revert the world back to its original existence, where she might find peace, but she realized she was totally Tsundere for Touma, so she reverted it back to his world instead to be with him, even though it meant everyone in the world would try and wipe her from existence.

Also, Touma is apparently a bajillion years old now.

 

[Ashaman]

Actually, her ability to create worlds was compromised, though it was wrong of me to imply that was the reason she had to make the choice right that second.

Because the Lance was destroyed, her possibilities had returned to 50/50.

Later on, she admits that she was using the Lance as her focus, and that using the Fairy Spell was dangerous and it had already begun to damage her.


As for Touma's age, its a little more complicated than that. Basically, he doesn't remember most of it.

 

[AJ_Katon]

Hey so I'm reading the novels but I have to ask since I've seen season 2 of the anime do I still need to read the novels that cover that period? Is there something in the novels that the anime missed?

 

[TC_Hazard]

Hey so I'm reading the novels but I have to ask since I've seen season 2 of the anime do I still need to read the novels that cover that period? Is there something in the novels that the anime missed?

There a couple of differences here and there. The anime cuts a few things so the story in the novels is more complete at times.

Overall, you can skip it, if you want. The anime still gives you the gist of it.

If you want, you can start from the side story volume (the anime ended here but really rushed through it) or vol 14.

 

[Ashaman]

Hey so I'm reading the novels but I have to ask since I've seen season 2 of the anime do I still need to read the novels that cover that period? Is there something in the novels that the anime missed?

There a couple of differences here and there. The anime cuts a few things so the story in the novels is more complete at times.

Overall, you can skip it, if you want. The anime still gives you the gist of it.

If you want, you can start from the side story volume (the anime ended here but really rushed through it) or vol 14.

You can skip it because the anime gives the general gist, but I would still advise against it.

There is an annoying amount of detail and background explanation cut that I'd say its worth the time.

 

[AJ_Katon]

Hey so I'm reading the novels but I have to ask since I've seen season 2 of the anime do I still need to read the novels that cover that period? Is there something in the novels that the anime missed?

There a couple of differences here and there. The anime cuts a few things so the story in the novels is more complete at times.

Overall, you can skip it, if you want. The anime still gives you the gist of it.

If you want, you can start from the side story volume (the anime ended here but really rushed through it) or vol 14.

As the proclaimed expert on the Indexverse, I thank you for your input, Magic Man Asha.

Thanks to you too, TC.
You can skip it because the anime gives the general gist, but I would still advise against it.

There is an annoying amount of detail and background explanation cut that I'd say its worth the time.

 

[Ashaman]

Hey so I'm reading the novels but I have to ask since I've seen season 2 of the anime do I still need to read the novels that cover that period? Is there something in the novels that the anime missed?

There a couple of differences here and there. The anime cuts a few things so the story in the novels is more complete at times.

Overall, you can skip it, if you want. The anime still gives you the gist of it.

If you want, you can start from the side story volume (the anime ended here but really rushed through it) or vol 14.

You can skip it because the anime gives the general gist, but I would still advise against it.

There is an annoying amount of detail and background explanation cut that I'd say its worth the time.

As the proclaimed expert on the Indexverse, I thank you for your input, Magic Man Asha.

Thanks to you too, TC.

I feel as though I should warn you if you do decide to read them - the season 2 novels are some of the weaker novels of the series, so at times it can feel like a bit of a slog, especially if you've already seen the anime.

But at the end of it, you'll have a much better understanding of why the characters acted like they did, a better understanding of how things work in general and better appreciation for the characters.

 

[AJ_Katon]

Hey after going through Season 2 of Index, I've decided to go to Railgun. Should I go for the English dub or just go to subs?

 

[Aegis]

Hey after going through Season 2 of Index, I've decided to go to Railgun. Should I go for the English dub or just go to subs?

Subs

 

[AJ_Katon]

Hey after going through Season 2 of Index, I've decided to go to Railgun. Should I go for the English dub or just go to subs?

Subs

Dub was that bad? And is the manga bad too?

 

[Rising Dragon]

You need both manga and anime to get the full Railgun story. The anime original arcs, like Poltergeist and Silent Party, are still canonical to the story--so far we've had the events of Poltergeist referenced in the manga, with Haruue's presence and a photo of Team Railgun and Haruue that was taken during Poltergeist.

The dub isn't bad--not really, though more often than not I don't dislike dubs in general--but it has some questionable translations. Kuroko's "Onee-sama!" in the anime was translated as "Sissy!" in the dub, for example. And "sissy" sure as hell isn't as formal or polite or respectful as Onee-sama implies in the Japanese language.

 

[Cynical Kyle]

You need both manga and anime to get the full Railgun story. The anime original arcs, like Poltergeist and Silent Party, are still canonical to the story--so far we've had the events of Poltergeist referenced in the manga, with Haruue's presence and a photo of Team Railgun and Haruue that was taken during Poltergeist.

The dub isn't bad--not really, though more often than not I don't dislike dubs in general--but it has some questionable translations. Kuroko's "Onee-sama!" in the anime was translated as "Sissy!" in the dub, for example. And "sissy" sure as hell isn't as formal or polite or respectful as Onee-sama implies in the Japanese language.

I disagree with you about the canonity of Railgun's anime original arcs and would heartily recommend against them unless SoL bad enough to bore to death is your cup of tea.

 

[Rising Dragon]

Both arcs were done by the franchise creator. Ultimately, he disagrees with you about the canonicity of the anime original arcs. Both arcs tie up the loose ends to the arcs they followed--Poltergeist revealed what the experiment that harmed Kiyama's children was about, and what happened to those children and what happened to Kiyama herself. Silent Party, also, explains what happened to Shinobu after her capture by ITEM. You might dislike the arcs (god knows enough people were butthurt over Silent Party being made instead of Arts City being animated), but they are still necessary for the full Railgun story.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Eh, I wouldn't say that. I mean you can say they are canon, but you definitely don't need them for the full story. They are more like a not so nice extra.

I'd say just read the manga. Though seeing certain moments animated is good, watching the full seasons for those is not really worth it.

 

[Cynical Kyle]

Both arcs were done by the franchise creator. Ultimately, he disagrees with you about the canonicity of the anime original arcs. Both arcs tie up the loose ends to the arcs they followed--Poltergeist revealed what the experiment that harmed Kiyama's children was about, and what happened to those children and what happened to Kiyama herself. Silent Party, also, explains what happened to Shinobu after her capture by ITEM. You might dislike the arcs (god knows enough people were butthurt over Silent Party being made instead of Arts City being animated), but they are still necessary for the full Railgun story.

Strange, I always thought that Kamachi was the creator of Railgun manga & Index novels instead of Nagai who was responsible for Railgun anime. Also you're hilariously wrong if you think that either of those arcs are necessary for full Railgun story. If they were, they would've been included in the actual manga instead of being created by fanboy director in order to pander for SoL audience.

 

[Ashaman]

Both arcs were done by the franchise creator. Ultimately, he disagrees with you about the canonicity of the anime original arcs. Both arcs tie up the loose ends to the arcs they followed--Poltergeist revealed what the experiment that harmed Kiyama's children was about, and what happened to those children and what happened to Kiyama herself. Silent Party, also, explains what happened to Shinobu after her capture by ITEM. You might dislike the arcs (god knows enough people were butthurt over Silent Party being made instead of Arts City being animated), but they are still necessary for the full Railgun story.

Small correction.

Poltergeist was done by Kamachi.

His involvement in Silent Party is much less clear cut.

Basically, it was announced that he wrote Poltergeist and Big Spider. The corresponding announcement for Silent Party is that he came up with the name for the arc, which is telling.


Further complicating the canon status of both stories is Kongo's involvement. As far as Canon is concerned, she shouldn't even be at Tokiwadai until the Second Term, and while she does meet Misaka in the summer holidays, she won't learn anything about her or become friends until partway through September.

Tl;dr - Big Spider and Poltergeist are canon but didn't happen exactly as portrayed in the anime. Ignore Silent Party until further material canonizes it.



As a personal aside, Big Spider and Poltergeist are both slightly boring but overall passable. Silent Party is garbage in at least 6 different ways and has only two redeeming features - Aogami's 10 second cameo as Gekota and Kihara Gensei mocking the villains.



EDIT: And since I'm here, latest news on NT 10. The blurb is out.

Spoiler

NT10 summary

>New Testament To Aru Majutsu no Index (10)
>Author/Kamachi Kazuma Illustrations/Haimura Kiyotaka Price(630 yen + tax)
>Kamijou Touma has made an enemy of the entire world to save Magic God Othinus.
>His previously reliable allies, the highly influential people, the espers, the magicians, and everyone else now attack him as "powerful enemies".
>This battle has the lowest odds of survival and seems the most hopeless of any other in his life.
>In other words, the world Kamijou has returned to is the same as "that hell".
>But he does not give in. He is not alone this time.
>There is a way to save Othinus from the world. Namely, to neutralize her powers.
>To return her to human, he must retrieve the eye of the magic god from Mímir's Well which is in an old castle in Denmark.
>Now he has a set objective.
>Kamijou fights to protect the life and smile of a single girl.

 

[Rising Dragon]

Anyone know when the manga or LN will get an english translaion? Railgun has both an english manga and anime but Index has only gotten an english anime.

Ps: meant to post this in the discussion page.

The LN is translated, on Baka-Tsuki. Unless you mean an official licensed translation.

 

[AJ_Katon]

Anyone know when the manga or LN will get an english translaion? Railgun has both an english manga and anime but Index has only gotten an english anime.

Ps: meant to post this in the discussion page.

The LN is translated, on Baka-Tsuki. Unless you mean an official licensed translation.

Yeah that's what I meant. Usually its the main works that get translated first before the spin-offs/supplementary stuff. Is Railgun really that popular?

 

[TC_Hazard]

Anyone know when the manga or LN will get an english translaion? Railgun has both an english manga and anime but Index has only gotten an english anime.

Ps: meant to post this in the discussion page.

The LN is translated, on Baka-Tsuki. Unless you mean an official licensed translation.

Yeah that's what I meant. Usually its the main works that get translated first before the spin-offs/supplementary stuff. Is Railgun really that popular?

Railgun is really popular.

That said the Index Manga also has a few flaws like skipping entire arcs and expecting you to follow anyway.

 

[Rising Dragon]

Yeah, Mikoto's one of the most popular characters in the franchise, if not THE most popular. That said, western companies really don't understand how Japanese merchandise work for such things--the Japanese can easily acquire all of the necessary supplementary materials for a franchise like TAMNI or Gundam or MGLN. We can't. Anyone in Japan can get the light novels for Index to go with Railgun, but we get screwed on the matter thanks to licensing and such.

 

[AJ_Katon]

Yeah, Mikoto's one of the most popular characters in the franchise, if not THE most popular. That said, western companies really don't understand how Japanese merchandise work for such things--the Japanese can easily acquire all of the necessary supplementary materials for a franchise like TAMNI or Gundam or MGLN. We can't. Anyone in Japan can get the light novels for Index to go with Railgun, but we get screwed on the matter thanks to licensing and such.

It's gonna be a long while before I get my Index Paperback novel.

 

[Ashaman]

Yeah, Mikoto's one of the most popular characters in the franchise, if not THE most popular.

Mikoto was recently voted most popular character in LN's Period, and has topped the female category 5 years running.

That said, Railgun didn't get a manga translation because its more popular than Index. It got one because its a manga and much easier to publish than a LN.

It's gonna be a long while before I get my Index Paperback novel.

Unless you make your own, its never going to happen.

Well, the manga might happen, but I doubt it.

One of the publishers for this type of thing (I can't remember which one) made a comment on it in one of their forums.

Basically, Index is too big - Even if we merely include the main novels, there are over 30 of them. Plus about 10 side novels.

Its a daunting amount of work, especially considering how niche the market is.

Furthermore, BT has all of it done well anyway, and they are well aware that even if they were to ask BT to take it down, those translations will still exist on the internet somewhere.

Basically, too much work, too much risk, too much competition.

 

[KurokamiDG]

On another note, Volume 10 is coming out soon.

And it's Touma vs. the world apparently. Just to do the same thing he's been trying to do since the first novel.

Just, you know, with a different harem member.

Edit: And I probably should've read back a little bit in hindsight...Didn't know that Ashaman already posted about this.

But yeah, this was just me excited about the whole thing in general. A volume where Touma is technically considered as the 'bad guy' because who he wants to protect is the biggest 'evil' as of now.

I'm expecting a lot of character development from this one.