Young Justice
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As it turns out, Green Beetle was too good to be true. Jaime is now controlled by the reach (nice touch with hinting it with the Japanese), and the runaways are left with no one to turn but Lex Luthor.
Also, Star Labs majorly dropped the ball with the kids. They were dealing with teenagers. Just what were they expecting to happen?
Also, Star Labs majorly dropped the ball with the kids. They were dealing with teenagers. Just what were they expecting to happen?
That's what you get for putting mad scientists with no social skills in charge of teenagers. Mind you, someone should have thought to have someone with a clue on how to deal with troubled teens involved, like, say Black Canary, who was actually there in an earlier episode, but people do screw up, so it's not incredibly unbelievable, just annoying.
Oh Blue Beetle, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal.
Stuff I liked this episode:
Mongul. The guy was badass and it is a shame we won't see more of him in the future.
Full Team. It has been some time since we last saw the team all working together and it is nice to have that back. Even Dr. Fate got to show his stuff.
Blue Beetle and the Reach. It is nice to finally have a clear idea of just how strong these guys are, and it seems like they are following this part pretty close to the comics.
The one thing that didn't quite work for me:
Vandal Savage. Seriously how the hell was he in that room without Superman noticing? Why were he and Mongul there to begin with?
That aside, nice to see some aftereffects of what Roy went through... though it brings to question why didn't they sit the kid through a session or two with Black Canary.
Stuff I liked this episode:
Mongul. The guy was badass and it is a shame we won't see more of him in the future.
Full Team. It has been some time since we last saw the team all working together and it is nice to have that back. Even Dr. Fate got to show his stuff.
Blue Beetle and the Reach. It is nice to finally have a clear idea of just how strong these guys are, and it seems like they are following this part pretty close to the comics.
The one thing that didn't quite work for me:
Vandal Savage. Seriously how the hell was he in that room without Superman noticing? Why were he and Mongul there to begin with?
That aside, nice to see some aftereffects of what Roy went through... though it brings to question why didn't they sit the kid through a session or two with Black Canary.
How many plot after plot after plot after plot, has this been? In the context of YJ, plot has been decent, good even. But not when you take in the whole DC univ into it.
How The FUCK did the situation escalate enough that a bunch of 2nd tiers had to become Earth's last defense?
The amount of resource that the Light has dumped into the plans still doesn't make sense. How they even drop their super villain egos enough to work with one another, let alone long term is even more unbelievable.
I think that YJ really need some closure and breathing room. It's more like a bunch of coincidence than an intricate plot ATM. It's like the villians hinges every bit of the next phase on the heroes surviving/winning. And reducing it by introducing more players to the mix. That formulae can't work out forever.
And when you think about it, the first thing that's likely to break is Earth. Not good for a conquerer's plan. :wacko:
Granted, this series is refreshing. But I can't get over the plot that they overthinking it every time I see an episode. What happened to a simple K-I-S-S?
How The FUCK did the situation escalate enough that a bunch of 2nd tiers had to become Earth's last defense?
The amount of resource that the Light has dumped into the plans still doesn't make sense. How they even drop their super villain egos enough to work with one another, let alone long term is even more unbelievable.
I think that YJ really need some closure and breathing room. It's more like a bunch of coincidence than an intricate plot ATM. It's like the villians hinges every bit of the next phase on the heroes surviving/winning. And reducing it by introducing more players to the mix. That formulae can't work out forever.
And when you think about it, the first thing that's likely to break is Earth. Not good for a conquerer's plan. :wacko:
Granted, this series is refreshing. But I can't get over the plot that they overthinking it every time I see an episode. What happened to a simple K-I-S-S?
The context of "the whole DC univ" is irrelevant, just as "the whole Marvel univ" is largely irrelevant to the different Spiderman shows and such.
Because instead of hundreds of super-powered beings, Young Justice has a few dozen. Of those, eight of the most powerful are offworld and most of the other meaningful others protecting Earth from massive nuclear bombardment.
<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injustice_League' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Indeed</a>, <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Syndicate_of_America' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>supervillain</a> <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Society_of_Super_Villains' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>teams</a> <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearsome_Five' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>never</a> <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injustice_Gang' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>work out</a>.
Because instead of hundreds of super-powered beings, Young Justice has a few dozen. Of those, eight of the most powerful are offworld and most of the other meaningful others protecting Earth from massive nuclear bombardment.
<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injustice_League' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Indeed</a>, <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Syndicate_of_America' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>supervillain</a> <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Society_of_Super_Villains' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>teams</a> <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearsome_Five' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>never</a> <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injustice_Gang' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>work out</a>.
Villains can drop their super-egos long enough to work together if there is a great enough threat and there is.
It's the threat of slavery or extinction of the human race.
The Light knows that if any alien species wanted to conquer or kill off Earth, the only defense is the JL.
They also know that if the JL were to ever fail, humanity is fucked.
In the YJ universe, humanity's only line of defense against aliens is the JL.
The only reason the aliens don't attack Earth is because there is little value in it.
But if humanity ever became powerful, thus having value, humanity would be crushed.
If the JL repels one invasion, more will come to claim that value. And JL can't be constantly defending.
The Light wants humanity to become strong enough to be able to defend itself against any future invasions.
The additional value of their plan is that it allows the Light gain more power. What is the point of ruling a city or a country when you can rule the world?
It's the threat of slavery or extinction of the human race.
The Light knows that if any alien species wanted to conquer or kill off Earth, the only defense is the JL.
They also know that if the JL were to ever fail, humanity is fucked.
In the YJ universe, humanity's only line of defense against aliens is the JL.
The only reason the aliens don't attack Earth is because there is little value in it.
But if humanity ever became powerful, thus having value, humanity would be crushed.
If the JL repels one invasion, more will come to claim that value. And JL can't be constantly defending.
The Light wants humanity to become strong enough to be able to defend itself against any future invasions.
The additional value of their plan is that it allows the Light gain more power. What is the point of ruling a city or a country when you can rule the world?
Actually, most of the plans were hinges on JL's winning. In Comic terms, the plan would have 100% rate of excecution. And the plans that had the largest impact were stall/diversion tactics.
It's as if they KNEW they were in a play. A play where they'll never win, but the rules never states they can't prolong that inevitable day arriving.
So, instead they plan to make plans, to expand, to stall. And even in the face of mutual defeat, have total faith in the heroe's ability to WIN. Take a small example, Mongul wouldn't be defeated, if only he were to left his seat just to swat Superboy at that very moment. It could totally happened, but it won't. That's just one example of going wrong.
YJ is the first time I've ever seen villains who didn't plan to win outright. Because I suspect they knew they can't.
The fact they willingly sunk all of their resources into the plans, because they knew it'll be a war, not a series of battle.
Even after they have won, they still don't believe they had. It's a pretty large inferiority complex they've got.
The trouble is, erasing egos to this extent, they act more like HYDRAs, than a bunch of super villains. A feat I find pretty hard to swallow. They didn't just say 'I'll give you X, A, B. And You'll give me F, B, J. Each of us will contribute some to this plan. Their contribution rate is closer to 100% to the total plan. Where no self respecting super villain will do. And certainly not in this long a run.
Superb plot, impossible execution. Or make that 100% execution after adjusting for the 'Heroes will always win' rule. Which ever way you look at it, it's weird.
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Don't get me started on the how Luthor wanting the best for humanity. With the amount of Alien/Futuristic tech at his disposal. Old tech(Crap guns/Fossil fuel vehicles/etc) are still in use everywhere you see. That's one area where we'll never see improvement. Comic writers are set in their ways of using current settings. Nevermind that said settings will never survive alien contact.
It's as if they KNEW they were in a play. A play where they'll never win, but the rules never states they can't prolong that inevitable day arriving.
So, instead they plan to make plans, to expand, to stall. And even in the face of mutual defeat, have total faith in the heroe's ability to WIN. Take a small example, Mongul wouldn't be defeated, if only he were to left his seat just to swat Superboy at that very moment. It could totally happened, but it won't. That's just one example of going wrong.
YJ is the first time I've ever seen villains who didn't plan to win outright. Because I suspect they knew they can't.
The fact they willingly sunk all of their resources into the plans, because they knew it'll be a war, not a series of battle.
Even after they have won, they still don't believe they had. It's a pretty large inferiority complex they've got.
The trouble is, erasing egos to this extent, they act more like HYDRAs, than a bunch of super villains. A feat I find pretty hard to swallow. They didn't just say 'I'll give you X, A, B. And You'll give me F, B, J. Each of us will contribute some to this plan. Their contribution rate is closer to 100% to the total plan. Where no self respecting super villain will do. And certainly not in this long a run.
Superb plot, impossible execution. Or make that 100% execution after adjusting for the 'Heroes will always win' rule. Which ever way you look at it, it's weird.
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Don't get me started on the how Luthor wanting the best for humanity. With the amount of Alien/Futuristic tech at his disposal. Old tech(Crap guns/Fossil fuel vehicles/etc) are still in use everywhere you see. That's one area where we'll never see improvement. Comic writers are set in their ways of using current settings. Nevermind that said settings will never survive alien contact.
Well, one of them is Klarion (bum bum bum) the Witch-Boy, so the Light knowing they can't win in the end is plausible... though the other members believing Klarion is something I find dubious.
On another note, Nightwing now knows an important part of what's going on (at least with the Reach), and has just gotten back one of his most dangerous operatives. Meanwhile, Arsenal is apparently still loose, somewhere on War World.
On another note, the Reach used their hidden fleet against the War World last episode, and yet unless I missed something, there was no comment about it in this one. Sure, they were able to get it to Earth in secret, but the military forces of the entire world had to have been closely watching the battle, and should have made note of any discrepancies.
On another note, Nightwing now knows an important part of what's going on (at least with the Reach), and has just gotten back one of his most dangerous operatives. Meanwhile, Arsenal is apparently still loose, somewhere on War World.
On another note, the Reach used their hidden fleet against the War World last episode, and yet unless I missed something, there was no comment about it in this one. Sure, they were able to get it to Earth in secret, but the military forces of the entire world had to have been closely watching the battle, and should have made note of any discrepancies.
It's hard to pitch a plan to others if they knew they can't win. And if Klarion deceived them in thinking that they can WIN, the plan doesn't show it to be such.
I have problems with the mindset of in the context of 'the story' not in the context of 'the whole DC univ' that Estrecca saying. Since YJ is basically an amalgam, a semi-crossover that encompassed the DC univ. Overlooking some parts is just cherrypicking. This is a deep rooted problems of the big-2 comics. You have stories that spans decades and riddened with inconsistencies. Fans have to settled on cherrypicking their way on which set of stories they prefer to keep. This has become the norm, and no one seems to have trouble with it.
But that's not how you normally tell a story, do you? You don't pick another author's character/stories to use as your own, and in turn, face with the fact that you might not do it justice. You build your own set of characters, and set them on your prefer setting. You don't 'borrow' as heavily as Comics does.
When a character can change his behavior as often as a women can pick out her favorite shoes. Logic/rational/setting, does it really matter any more?
Young Justice is refreshing, but wouldn't it be better if it were a standalone story with no attachments to legacy DC? Alas, you wouldn't have such a massive audience, if you were to do it like that. But isn't 70 odd years of the same character pushing it? Can you see Superman going past a century? Can he push pass a Millennium?
How good could it have been if it were totally new. :sisi:
And you might even solve the problems that fanboys latches on to a character, and refuses for them to change. Because they know that the character is the real essence of the franchise, not the story. If the story matters, then we won't have calls of 'reboots' aka 'starting fresh' aka 'milking the cashcow' in the industry.
I have problems with the mindset of in the context of 'the story' not in the context of 'the whole DC univ' that Estrecca saying. Since YJ is basically an amalgam, a semi-crossover that encompassed the DC univ. Overlooking some parts is just cherrypicking. This is a deep rooted problems of the big-2 comics. You have stories that spans decades and riddened with inconsistencies. Fans have to settled on cherrypicking their way on which set of stories they prefer to keep. This has become the norm, and no one seems to have trouble with it.
But that's not how you normally tell a story, do you? You don't pick another author's character/stories to use as your own, and in turn, face with the fact that you might not do it justice. You build your own set of characters, and set them on your prefer setting. You don't 'borrow' as heavily as Comics does.
When a character can change his behavior as often as a women can pick out her favorite shoes. Logic/rational/setting, does it really matter any more?
Young Justice is refreshing, but wouldn't it be better if it were a standalone story with no attachments to legacy DC? Alas, you wouldn't have such a massive audience, if you were to do it like that. But isn't 70 odd years of the same character pushing it? Can you see Superman going past a century? Can he push pass a Millennium?
How good could it have been if it were totally new. :sisi:
And you might even solve the problems that fanboys latches on to a character, and refuses for them to change. Because they know that the character is the real essence of the franchise, not the story. If the story matters, then we won't have calls of 'reboots' aka 'starting fresh' aka 'milking the cashcow' in the industry.
Dude, you're doing it wrong.
You're still looking at the whole DC verse. Young Justice is its own take on it. Taking a look at others stories and using them to say how this one doesn't work is... stupid. You're watching YJ not reading DC comics. Just about all of your complaints are invalid on that fact alone.
You're still looking at the whole DC verse. Young Justice is its own take on it. Taking a look at others stories and using them to say how this one doesn't work is... stupid. You're watching YJ not reading DC comics. Just about all of your complaints are invalid on that fact alone.
I know, this means that I don't really 'get' comics. It is a unique beast in its own right.
Own take, huh? That's why we have those abominations such as Mangaverse. Because there's a whole world out there, and you just have to explore new things, right?
Not to mention a new take on Batman/Superman/Spider-man/X-men's beginnings every once in a while.
Own take, huh? That's why we have those abominations such as Mangaverse. Because there's a whole world out there, and you just have to explore new things, right?
Not to mention a new take on Batman/Superman/Spider-man/X-men's beginnings every once in a while.
To be clear, I'm saying that Young Justice is as fine as it can be. Its flaws stems from its comic roots. And I don't see how any comic writer can improve it. The take is refreshing, although the pacing is too fast for my taste. But that's what you get when you fight for every view you can get.
My gripe with it was well within the comic genre. The super villain trope was broken, and the length that it had gone on was really getting to me. It would have been easier to swallow, if they concluded some of the plots to help. Instead we see more and more popped up.
The pacing is really effecting how much I enjoy this series. I find myself unable to enjoy the fine meal that was presented, when new dish keeps arriving.
My gripe with it was well within the comic genre. The super villain trope was broken, and the length that it had gone on was really getting to me. It would have been easier to swallow, if they concluded some of the plots to help. Instead we see more and more popped up.
The pacing is really effecting how much I enjoy this series. I find myself unable to enjoy the fine meal that was presented, when new dish keeps arriving.
And things start to turn.
Good thinking from Arsenal, and finally someone call the Reach on its ships. Good Job, Godfrey... never thought I'd say that.
The episode nicely sets up Arsenal and the Runaways and frees up Mongul for a rematch sometime... which is why it's such a shame this is the last season.
Sidenote: That was so not the moment to take Arsenal off the team.
Good thinking from Arsenal, and finally someone call the Reach on its ships. Good Job, Godfrey... never thought I'd say that.
The episode nicely sets up Arsenal and the Runaways and frees up Mongul for a rematch sometime... which is why it's such a shame this is the last season.
Sidenote: That was so not the moment to take Arsenal off the team.