They keep adding Dick Grayson. We need more Tim. Rally, they could have used the original Young Justice cast and nobody who read the original comic would have known. Because they aren't going to be watching the show. Instead they use the boring version of Robin, and add a new version of Aqualad. There has never been an Atlantean in DC who was interesting.
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Agree 100% with this. They've never used Tim Drake in a cartoon, other than his appearance in Batman Beyond. His appearance in Batman:TAS was a composite of Jason Todd and Tim Drake; more of Todd's backstory, given Tim's lightheartedness and name.
I think DC will do a decent job making the show entertaining, however it's the unnecessary changes that irk me. They go through all the trouble to change and distort characters to use a title of a preconceived concept. Don't get that reasoning.
I think DC will do a decent job making the show entertaining, however it's the unnecessary changes that irk me. They go through all the trouble to change and distort characters to use a title of a preconceived concept. Don't get that reasoning.
When I first saw Ms. Martian in the comics, my first thought was that the creators had been reading the old Detroit League comics. Pre-crisis, the Martian race was alive; the League fought off an invasion attempt by them, and one was a female who looked a lot like an older version of Meggan.
Eh, the Teen Titans cartoon was origanally pitched as an Young Justice toon in the first place... This show ain't bad, but I'd rather wait and see how it goes.
Eh, the Teen Titans cartoon was origanally pitched as an Young Justice toon in the first place... This show ain't bad, but I'd rather wait and see how it goes.
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c32P5oWWI90' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Young Justice: Welcome to Happy Harbor</a>
Enjoy!
Edit: Martian Bioship
....I want one....and does it come in black...
Edit 2:
I'm not sure Aqua Lad is going to be the final team leader. He's the most mature person on the team and is something of a team dad or big brother figure. Yet this episode it was Ms. Martian that really pulled them together to solve the problem. To be honest she came up with a good plan that made use of everyone's talents, and got them to fight as a team instead of a bunch of individuals. Progress.
Though her tendancy to say 'Hello Megan' and slap her forehead could become slightly annoying.
Also, unknown villain employing 'Xanatos Gambit' technique, that can't be good.
Enjoy!
Edit: Martian Bioship
....I want one....and does it come in black...
Edit 2:
I'm not sure Aqua Lad is going to be the final team leader. He's the most mature person on the team and is something of a team dad or big brother figure. Yet this episode it was Ms. Martian that really pulled them together to solve the problem. To be honest she came up with a good plan that made use of everyone's talents, and got them to fight as a team instead of a bunch of individuals. Progress.
Though her tendancy to say 'Hello Megan' and slap her forehead could become slightly annoying.
Also, unknown villain employing 'Xanatos Gambit' technique, that can't be good.
Saw episode as well. As with eps 1-2, the fights/animation quality is great stuff, although the characters themselves still don't really draw me in at all. I still find them boring/annoying, nothing really grabs me about them except the fight-mode banter.
I did find Megan's habit as annoying as the rest of you too. And what's up with a shapeshifter with freckles btw? I mean, if it was on her 'human disguise', neat, but on the martian form? Man, that just looks weird.
As for her taking charge in the episode, keep in mind that she wasn't in episodes 1-2 (well, outside of the cameo at the end), so this was mainly an episode to give her the spotlight/introduce her. It's almost certain Artemis will be getting the spotlight too in next episode. I still expect to see Aqualad taking over as leader, though mostly just because that's what the online news say. I guess we'll see.
Oh and it's not an unknown villain, at least if you're familiar with comics. It's very obviously Professor T.O. Morrow, the guy who invented the Red Tornado (which would explain the familiarity with power set and plan to hack RT too).
Also, there's apparently a <a href='http://www.mediafire.com/?fdurfm69ukuzld5' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>comic book tie-in</a> now. Takes place right near the end of episode 2, involving the time between them getting out of Cadmus and meeting Miss Martian.
I did find Megan's habit as annoying as the rest of you too. And what's up with a shapeshifter with freckles btw? I mean, if it was on her 'human disguise', neat, but on the martian form? Man, that just looks weird.
As for her taking charge in the episode, keep in mind that she wasn't in episodes 1-2 (well, outside of the cameo at the end), so this was mainly an episode to give her the spotlight/introduce her. It's almost certain Artemis will be getting the spotlight too in next episode. I still expect to see Aqualad taking over as leader, though mostly just because that's what the online news say. I guess we'll see.
Oh and it's not an unknown villain, at least if you're familiar with comics. It's very obviously Professor T.O. Morrow, the guy who invented the Red Tornado (which would explain the familiarity with power set and plan to hack RT too).
Also, there's apparently a <a href='http://www.mediafire.com/?fdurfm69ukuzld5' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>comic book tie-in</a> now. Takes place right near the end of episode 2, involving the time between them getting out of Cadmus and meeting Miss Martian.
Either it's something she feels makes her look cuter and less threatening in her human guise, or it's a leftover from her martian heritage.
Its more than that I think. Seeing her grow into a leadership role would make a nice character arch, and Aqualad could last long enough to allow for that change. Aqualad has a really cool power set, and can take charge, but I'm startin to see him more as an eventual second in command than prime lead. I mean he keeps them on point, keeps them sane and smoothes over the rough patches, but he doesn't have a real good track record for leading them in combat.
Not really up on Red Tornado so I'm not surprised I missed it. That said we now have 'The Light' and 'Professor T.O. Morrow' set up as recurring villains. Their Rogues gallery is already starting to grow.
Its more than that I think. Seeing her grow into a leadership role would make a nice character arch, and Aqualad could last long enough to allow for that change. Aqualad has a really cool power set, and can take charge, but I'm startin to see him more as an eventual second in command than prime lead. I mean he keeps them on point, keeps them sane and smoothes over the rough patches, but he doesn't have a real good track record for leading them in combat.
Not really up on Red Tornado so I'm not surprised I missed it. That said we now have 'The Light' and 'Professor T.O. Morrow' set up as recurring villains. Their Rogues gallery is already starting to grow.
I could see her getting them to look cuter, and they probably do if she wasn't a green skinned alien. With the green skin, knowing she's a shapeshifter, that just looks weird. It probably -is- something for 'being cutesy' assuming that martians do have that non-human look from the comics, and the martian form itself is a disguise.
I did find two things very odd though in hindsight, and I looked at the episode again. At around the 18:20min mark, we see Mister Twister blast a boat, which explodes in the fire. Fire didn't set off the martian fear of fire, and the disguise also has sparks flying. Where'd the sparks come from? The powers make sense, that's what Wally was there for. The sparks aren't something she could just disguise though, and as mentioned, what's up with the lack of fear of fire? Isn't that something ingrained in all martians? Or is she special somehow or one of those changes from comic book?
Edit: Regarding leadership, assuming <a href='http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29590' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this is legit</a>, from mouth of Robin's VA, it's going to end up being robin as leader despite being youngest? Though you do seem to be spot on about Aqualad as the advisor/second-in-command/big brother of the group.
I did find two things very odd though in hindsight, and I looked at the episode again. At around the 18:20min mark, we see Mister Twister blast a boat, which explodes in the fire. Fire didn't set off the martian fear of fire, and the disguise also has sparks flying. Where'd the sparks come from? The powers make sense, that's what Wally was there for. The sparks aren't something she could just disguise though, and as mentioned, what's up with the lack of fear of fire? Isn't that something ingrained in all martians? Or is she special somehow or one of those changes from comic book?
Edit: Regarding leadership, assuming <a href='http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29590' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this is legit</a>, from mouth of Robin's VA, it's going to end up being robin as leader despite being youngest? Though you do seem to be spot on about Aqualad as the advisor/second-in-command/big brother of the group.
It is just more Batman wankery, though I was really hoping that they could have had an original thought for once.
And there is no way in hell this Robin is leadership material, nor do I see him turning into leadership material. Hint when your character is a kid with no superpowers it doesn't make him look good when he charges into a tornado that was proving no threat to anyone visible while ignoring/ditching the guys with superpowers.
No, just No.
And there is no way in hell this Robin is leadership material, nor do I see him turning into leadership material. Hint when your character is a kid with no superpowers it doesn't make him look good when he charges into a tornado that was proving no threat to anyone visible while ignoring/ditching the guys with superpowers.
No, just No.
Robin: "Of course I'm the leader, I have Bat-sigil. It's a +10 to my leadership!"
Rest of the Team: "HAX!!"
In all honesty it's not just Bat-wankery. At the end of the day, we'd all like to think that, with a little training, even normal humans like us could lead a team of demi-gods. So it's more wish fullfilment than anything.
That said I figure Robin maturing into a leader is his major story arch for this season. You can get some good stories out of a person growing into the role of leader, and Aqualads there to help smooth over the rough patches. It can work with the write amount of pacing and quality writing.
Rest of the Team: "HAX!!"
In all honesty it's not just Bat-wankery. At the end of the day, we'd all like to think that, with a little training, even normal humans like us could lead a team of demi-gods. So it's more wish fullfilment than anything.
That said I figure Robin maturing into a leader is his major story arch for this season. You can get some good stories out of a person growing into the role of leader, and Aqualads there to help smooth over the rough patches. It can work with the write amount of pacing and quality writing.
I had mixed feelings about this episode. On one hand, the animation was still top-notch, and they really showed off what people with 'lame' powers like the Red Tornado's could do. In comics, you just tend to see vague winds, but here it looked and was really impressive.
Miss Martian was a bit more annoying than I hoped she would be. Her head-slapping was, as many noted, really unnecessary, and her Freckles, like Kayeich noted, was a bit freaky. But that's fine, the characters still have lots of room to grow. Which is the problem, right now, they are just very general characters with no real depth behind them. Which, again, is perfectly acceptable in a show as early as this. By the end of the season, my expectations might be higher of course.
Robin...well, he's always been the leader in the comics so I don't have too much of a problem if this happens, but right now, he's the youngest and doesn't really bring a lot to the table. It would be interesting if I don't know, Miss Martian was the leader like Ordo suggested. Also, his cackle as he vanishes is pretty unsettling.
I did like how the Bad Guys are playing smart though. And I am definitely looking forward to Artemis. I'm assuming that here she'll be Wonder Woman's protege, mixing together Arrowette and Artemis from the comics. Should be interesting to see how they portray her. I'm expecting someone with a no-nonsense attitude right now.
Miss Martian was a bit more annoying than I hoped she would be. Her head-slapping was, as many noted, really unnecessary, and her Freckles, like Kayeich noted, was a bit freaky. But that's fine, the characters still have lots of room to grow. Which is the problem, right now, they are just very general characters with no real depth behind them. Which, again, is perfectly acceptable in a show as early as this. By the end of the season, my expectations might be higher of course.
Robin...well, he's always been the leader in the comics so I don't have too much of a problem if this happens, but right now, he's the youngest and doesn't really bring a lot to the table. It would be interesting if I don't know, Miss Martian was the leader like Ordo suggested. Also, his cackle as he vanishes is pretty unsettling.
I did like how the Bad Guys are playing smart though. And I am definitely looking forward to Artemis. I'm assuming that here she'll be Wonder Woman's protege, mixing together Arrowette and Artemis from the comics. Should be interesting to see how they portray her. I'm expecting someone with a no-nonsense attitude right now.
Artemis is supposed to be an existing DC character, not a fusion of other characters, but isn't Cissie or Mia, and is apparently not an amazon either. She's also apparently half-vietnamese. This is from Greg Weissman's 'Ask Greg' pages.
For the life of me, I can't figure out who Artemis is supposed to be if this is the case, as I was under assumption of the amazon Artemis before I saw the above.
Best guess? It's a rule 63'ed Connor Hawke.
For the life of me, I can't figure out who Artemis is supposed to be if this is the case, as I was under assumption of the amazon Artemis before I saw the above.
Best guess? It's a rule 63'ed Connor Hawke.
I've had the thought that it was more because if they've followed the bat, they're more likely to follow the orders of the higher ups even without them breathing down their necks all the time.
And Batman does have a heck of a lot higher standards...
On another note, is it just me or does aqualad have the same voice actor as Cyborg from Teen Titans?
And Batman does have a heck of a lot higher standards...
On another note, is it just me or does aqualad have the same voice actor as Cyborg from Teen Titans?
They're both supposed to be black, so yea, I guess so.
tbh, I didn't really like the voice acting in this episode. Hell, the episode wasn't to good plot wise. I can understand it was supposed to build some sort of unity between the people on the team, but it just failed.
Sure the animation was good, but overall, it flopped.
Hoping for something better next week.
tbh, I didn't really like the voice acting in this episode. Hell, the episode wasn't to good plot wise. I can understand it was supposed to build some sort of unity between the people on the team, but it just failed.
Sure the animation was good, but overall, it flopped.
Hoping for something better next week.
well all those points are noted I however have another one: superboy
where do I start on this one.
TTK: Tactile telekinesis, clone superboy's first power before his sun charged Kryptonian powers got juiced. by which he could fly and simulate Superman's strength and invulnerability, blow stuff up pass the invulnerability onto another just by touching them. now just gone. With this sb could have differed from superman and weaken the guy enough so not to be the BIG ace. AND IT WAS CANON!!!
flight:
if you ware the s-shield you fly, even the dog flies! period f-en dot! " I can't fly" He said this WTFH?
and now onto the EMO:
he's angry by Rao is he angry. did anyone READ his comic when they wrote this up? read his fights with sidearm they are funny big time.
well other than that love the show really. even with this I'm still going to watching this.
where do I start on this one.
TTK: Tactile telekinesis, clone superboy's first power before his sun charged Kryptonian powers got juiced. by which he could fly and simulate Superman's strength and invulnerability, blow stuff up pass the invulnerability onto another just by touching them. now just gone. With this sb could have differed from superman and weaken the guy enough so not to be the BIG ace. AND IT WAS CANON!!!
flight:
if you ware the s-shield you fly, even the dog flies! period f-en dot! " I can't fly" He said this WTFH?
and now onto the EMO:
he's angry by Rao is he angry. did anyone READ his comic when they wrote this up? read his fights with sidearm they are funny big time.
well other than that love the show really. even with this I'm still going to watching this.
First how do you know that it isn't tactile telekinesis and SB and the Doc's just didn't notice he could do anything else with it because he has only been out of a growth tube for a few weeks? I mean they were expecting a clone of superman and thus were looking for Supes powers.
Second several sources have Superman unable to fly when he was young (IIRC the modern origin story stated he first flew while trying to save Lana/Loise) and in fact originally Superman COULDN'T fly and he only gained that ability because it was cheaper to animate then running fast and jumping.
Third yet again SB has only been out of a growth tube for a few weeks, for all intents and purposes he has a child's experience, yet a teenagers bodies. Add in the fact that he was being mentally controlled/imprisoned and I think he has every write to feel pissed.
Fourth it sounds like every one of those complaints were because they didn't copy/paste superboy from the comics into the series which I personally feel are not good enough. Yes it should be close enough so that you feel like you are actually reading/watching a story about them but it should not IMO follow exactly the same steps.
Second several sources have Superman unable to fly when he was young (IIRC the modern origin story stated he first flew while trying to save Lana/Loise) and in fact originally Superman COULDN'T fly and he only gained that ability because it was cheaper to animate then running fast and jumping.
Third yet again SB has only been out of a growth tube for a few weeks, for all intents and purposes he has a child's experience, yet a teenagers bodies. Add in the fact that he was being mentally controlled/imprisoned and I think he has every write to feel pissed.
Fourth it sounds like every one of those complaints were because they didn't copy/paste superboy from the comics into the series which I personally feel are not good enough. Yes it should be close enough so that you feel like you are actually reading/watching a story about them but it should not IMO follow exactly the same steps.
I kinda noticed something which I'm not completely sure of, but i think every time I've seen Superboy hit something (with fists) his animations get these little yellow flashes... after checking back they were in just about all of his attack frames and no one elses impacts. Didn't check for episode 3 but yeah...
I was kinda thinking that it was the visual representation of his Tactile TK despite not being out right mentioned. Could be wrong though, was just something odd i noticed. ~shrugs~
I was kinda thinking that it was the visual representation of his Tactile TK despite not being out right mentioned. Could be wrong though, was just something odd i noticed. ~shrugs~