Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Please. Revealing what she went through wouldn't have saved her so I don't buy that as proof of saintliness, nor is having a sense of empathy.
Revealing what she went through would have made it
possible for her to be saved.
Stockholm Syndrome Mike.? Stockholm Syndrome.? Sympathy for her captors does not mean she's a selfless person.
Stop throwing around random psychological issues like you actually know what they mean.
Sakura does
not have Stockholm Syndrome. Her actions do not fit with the symptoms of it in any way. She is simply a very caring person with zero self-esteem.
And that line refers to not killing herself because she knew she'd snap and hurt someone.? Which, well, she did, so it's a well founded fear.? Suicide may not be the appropriate response, but she did know she was a danger to others.
Perhaps, but that still does not make her a selfish person.
Besides, others isn't just Shinji or, Shirou, it's random people around the city too.? Guess who I never see Sakura express remorse for?
I don't recall seeing Rin express much remorse for them
either.
Further, I distinctly
do recall Sakura feeling "guilty" about what happened in HF, even though it was not
at all her fault. I don't see how that is in any way "selfish".
I'm not willing to call her selfless.? She unconsciously lashed out for prana.? If her instinct was to chow down on Rin to feed herself, that's not an indication of selflessness.? Those instincts are telling of her unconscious thought process.? Even if she wouldn't consciously act on them, they were there.? They had to be squashed.
How the hell is an instinct to eat when you're hungry "selfish"? Every single fucking human being on the
planet would act that way, because the instinct to survive is built-in to us. We can override it
consciously, but Sakura's consciousness was not in control.
Sorry, I don't disregard her actions in dark form.? She's connected to AM, is influenced, and I do hold her accountable for those actions.
Regardless of whether you "hold her accountable" or not, it's patently clear that AM has a
significant effect on her personality, and that's what we're arguing
here.
Sure, it's mitigated, but she's drunk on power and evil in the end.
She's controlled and influenced by Angra Mainyu.
Also, I recall you admitting to Altima that you don't actually know anything about HF....
Not that you hold this view, but I do.
You have a feeling?? Does that mean you've never even played Magic?
No, I haven't, hence my reluctance to assign colours to her.
White isn't Good, White is Law and Lawful Sakura is not.? Kind and caring?? It's been a while, but I cannot recall a single card extolling those virtues.
Want an example of White?? Kiritsugu.? Saber.? Mind of Steel Shirou.? Doing what is best for the community at large is a characteristic of White.? Killing Sakura before she can harm more people would be more aligned with White.? White is not always nice.? It can be, but Law is more important.
Hell, look at the White Land cards.? Lots of arid, barren locations.? There's a reason for that.? Warm and nurturing are not the defining characteristics, and angels are more often than not armored and ready for combat.
Fair enough, I can accept that.
So...now Green is the best fit.? Before it was Green or White.
Oy.? Have you ever even played before?? You don't sounds like you have.
No, I haven't.
But that doesn't mean that I can't argue that Sakura is not black, because she's not selfish in the
slightest.
Dark Sakura.? Wants Shinji to die.? Revels in it afterwards.? Enjoys having power over Rin when she accepts the contract.
So, I ask for an example where she's not influenced by Angra Mainyu, and you come out and give me one where she quite explicitly
is....
Her brain is dosed with evil, but I always saw it as AM exaggerating the darkest aspects of her personality.
AM seems to amplify her darker emotions and suppress her positive ones, yes. However, the result is
not an indication of how she would act normally. Further, amorality is a
generic result of amplifying darker aspects of a personality, so the fact that Dark Sakura shows some amorality (and even then it's not
complete, she still begs Shirou to run away and refrains from killing Rin) tells you absolutely
nothing about normal Sakura, even based on your interpretation.
And I don't separate the two.? Sakura is influenced by AM, yes, but that doesn't mean there's some evil secondary source that does all the bad deeds.? Ultimately she makes the shots even if she's manipulated.
Except that AM
heavily influences Sakura's personality, to the point that she's practically a different person entirely. Using the actions of Dark Sakura as an indicator of the personality of
normal Sakura is just plain stupid.
It might happen in her subconscious in the beginning, but that's just it: her subconscious.? It's part of her so I carry it over to her waking self.? The Black is just latent before she goes full blown evil.
Seriously,
what?
The way the shadow acts unconsciously is no different from how anyone
else would act in such a situation. She's hungry, so she eats. She has some level of resentment for Rin (understandably), so she attacks her first and spares Shirou.
I see Sakura as tainted by association and sharing headspace with AM.? Dark Sakura is just letting it out.
And you're entirely
wrong. Sakura is not simply "sharing headspace with AM", AM is not even
there until Zouken manages to activate her at the beginning of HF.