Naruto The Narutoversity

[Knyght]

This isn't meant to be compliant with nixofcyzerra's "Elements of the Human Body" theory. Just doing my own thing. ^_^

Converting Chakra Into Substance

There are some ninjutsu that involved converting chakra into another substance that do not fall under the seven nature transformations. Shizune's Poison Mist converts her chakra into special chemical substances within her body which she expels through her mouth and, when they are exposed to the air, transform into a deadly poisonous gas. Jiraiya's Toad Oil Bullet converts chakra into oil and expels it all at once as a huge mass.

What makes these jutsu different from most is that they require more knowledge than just the necessary hand-seals. The Poison Mist is a jutsu that "combines ninjutsu, chemistry and medical knowledge" since the caster requires an certain level of understanding for those subjects to be able to effectively convert her chakra into the correct substances. This is actually a bastadized version the jutsu used by Hanzo of the Salamander who implanted a venom sac into his body that turned his very breath poisonous.

Similarly, the Toad Oil Bullet uses Jiraiya's knowledge of toads and the oil that they naturally produce from their bodies, as well as use for their jutsu, to replicate that substance with his chakra.

The difference between this and nature transformation is that nature transforms is creates different types of chakra whilst this "chakra conversion" causes chakra to adopt the properties of another substance. It is chakra disguised as something else instead of another kind of chakra altogether. In theory, as long as one understands a substance to a certain degree, they could potentially develop ninjutsu that creates said substance.

Chakra conversion has also been used with elemental ninjutsu as well:

Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning converts fire chakra into explosive powder. Instead of fiery, burning chakra, it becomes a type of matter with the potential to burn. The moment the powder is ignited by spark or flame, it generates a fiery explosion.

Fire Release: Hiding in Ash and Dust converts fire chakra into hot ash. So it takes the form of matter with an incredibly high tempature that burns with heat instead of flames.

Water Release: Starch Syrup Capturing Field is a lesser example of chakra conversion since it doesn't actually create a different substance but it does slightly alter the water's composition to make it viscous.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

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Finally, how does this concept explain Jiraiya's Toad Oil Bullet and Shizune's Poison Mist? Neither of them are listed as elemental jutsu in the databooks.

No, I mean about the "tiny traces of the minerals are used up as a template" bit. Jiraiya/Shizune have tiny portions of Oil/Poison in their bloodstream or something, as use it as a template to produce "pseudo-chakra versions" on a much larger scale.

Ah, so those jutsu are actually a kind of clone jutsu then? Like the Shuriken Shadow Clone jutsu, but using toad oil or poison instead of metal kunai.

Sort of, although as producing the oil/poison does "use" portions of the original substance, it can be said to be somewhere between a material Water/Earth Clone and the Shadow Clone technique in difficulty.

Hmm. You know what, I'm also going to say yes, because despite the fact that "compared to normal shadow clones, clones of material objects are said to be on a far higher level," the real amazing thing about the Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique is that it clones momentum.

 

[Knyght]

Transcription Sealing Method

This is the broad term for a kind of fuuinjutsu that involves sealing a jutsu's effects within a specific location. A well-known use of it is to seal a jutsu inside a scroll or tag, recorded by a sealing formula, which activates when triggered. Explosive tags are the most famous example but other examples include sealing a genjutsu inside a scroll so that knock out the person who opens, and the suicide jutsu sealed within the tattoos of Konoha's Anbu when missions take a wrong turn.

A more advanced version of this concept is when the Transcription Sealing Method (or just Transcription Seal) is used to seal the jutsu inside a person. This ninjutsu/fuuinjutsu records the desired jutsu and then transfers the it into the body of the target through physical contact. The recipient has no control over the jutsu once it has been implanted; they cannot consciously activate it or prevent it from activating. Unless they possess the unsealing jutsu for the Transcription Seal. The caster is the one who decides what triggers the jutsu which can activate automatically after a certain length of time, when the recipient's chakra has dropped to a certain level, when they have seen a previously specified target etc.

The Transcription Seal can also be applied to oneself so that the jutsu is recorded within the caster's body to be activated when the right conditions are met. And since the jutsu is powered entirely by the caster's chakra, the current state of the recipient has no bearing on its use so there is no danger, for instance, if the jutsu is cast when the recipient is suffering chakra exhaustion. It's even possible to set the jutsu to activate after the recipient is dead to eliminate evidence and/or kill anyone else in the vicinity.

An even higher level of this jutsu can be used by those who share a bloodline limit. Uchiha Itachi's Transcription Seal: Amaterasu was only possible because the recipient, Uchiha Sasuke, had an awakened Sharingan of his own for the jutsu to be released from. Amaterasu could not have been sealed inside someone without a Sharingan.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

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So what's the difference between the basic Transcription Seal and Jiraiya's Fire Sealing Method?

 

[Knyght]

RE: The Naruversity

y u do this

I literally stuck a bit on the end about that but decided cut it out before I posted to save it for a follow up. :rip1:

I was thinking the differences would be that that kind of sealing method is geared towards elemental ninjutsu, they can seal the natural element as well as jutsu, and they're more suited to sealing away an enemy's jutsu (that's been fired at your face) than for sealing your own to be used later. There might be more to it since I remember having a discussion about element sealing methods some time ago I plan to review.

And I figured you could use them both such as by transferring a fire jutsu stored in the Fire Sealing Method into a Transcription Seal so that it can be set to trigger for a specific purpose.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

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Ah, so a Transcription Seal would basically be about storing Jutsu made from your chakra, while Element Sealing Method would be about sealing elemental jutsu made from someone else's chakra. That makes sense.

A well-known use of fuuinjutsu is to seal a jutsu inside a scroll or tag, recorded by a sealing formula, which activates when triggered. Explosive tags are the most famous example. But other examples include sealing a genjutsu inside a scroll so that knock out the person who opens and the suicide jutsu sealed within the tattoos of Konoha's Anbu when missions take a wrong turn.

I assume you're talking about this:

Based off of what Iruka says here:

I doubt that they were hit by a stored Genjutsu, as according to the 3rd Databook, one of the disadvantages of Genjutsu is that prolonged use will injure the user, which implies that Genjutsu require a constant "stream" of chakra to the targets circulatory system. I imagine only fire-and-forget techniques can be stored in scrolls.

Those nameless Leaf Genin probably opened the scrolls and had a Chuunin summoned right to them, who promptly rendered them unconscious.

 

[Knyght]

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I think that was from the 1st, not the 3rd. But I was actually talking about this:

 

[nixofcyzerra]

RE: The Naruversity

Huh. So did they stick a hypnotism-type Jutsu in the scrolls in the prior exam, and then in Team 7's instead use summoning scrolls for Chuunin to appear and KO them?

I guess maybe they didn't want to leave unconscious Genin lying around in the forest even for a little while when that crazy Gaara was wandering around it. Those nameless mooks probably recovered fairly quickly.

I wonder how Genjutsu scrolls work, then. I guess they're like the Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique, which can be cast over a wide area (and has always struck me as a "Barrier Genjutsu,") and are much more complex than scrolls that store Ninjutsu, as while they just release the Jutsu all at once, Genjutsu scrolls probably release the chakra in a steady stream.

 

[Knyght]

Updated the Transcript Seal theory to make it more compatible with this.

Element Sealing Method

This is a similar kind of fuuinjutsu as the Transcription Sealing Method which seals a jutsu's effects within a specific location. The difference between this and that is that the Element Sealing Method branch is made to seal the effects of another person's jutsu and are tailored towards the five elements.

There are five versions: Fire Sealing Method, Lightning Sealing Method, Water Sealing Method, Earth Sealing Method and Wind Sealing Method.

Each one is designed to respond to one of the five elements as their names suggest. When activated, the seal which suck the corresponding elemental jutsu into the jutsu-sealed space and keep it stored within. This type of sealing method is primarily used as a defensive tool as it can protect the caster and others from an incoming elemental ninjutsu. But it is not a perfect defence as an appropriately powerful jutsu will weakened at best and unaffected at worst.

This fuuinjutsu doesn't only affect chakra but energy and matter that naturally exists in nature as well. This means that it can be used on ninjutsu that is controlling a preexisting element or even just the element as it exists in nature. For example, the Fire Sealing Method can be used to seal the flames of a campfire if the caster wanted to. Or the Water Sealing Method can be used to seal a large quantity of water from a river. So it is helpful for avoiding secondary damage caused by ninjutsu or potential hazards to the surrounding environment as well as storing environmental resources.

Once sealed, the sealing method requires the correct unsealing jutsu to release the jutsu once more.

In theory, a Yin Sealing Method and Yang Sealing Method could be made but jutsu belonging to those groups are usually designed for support or unorthodox in nature so the effort that would be involved isn't considered worth it.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

RE: The Naruversity

This fuuinjutsu doesn't only affect chakra but natural energy and matter as well. This means that it can be used on ninjutsu that is controlling a preexisting element or even just the element as it exists in nature. For example, the Fire Sealing Method can be used to seal the flames of a campfire if the caster wanted to. Or the Water Sealing Method can be used to seal a large quantity of water from a river. So it is helpful for avoiding secondary damage caused by ninjutsu or potential hazards to the surrounding environment as well as storing environmental resources.

You mean the "real" expression of an element (real fire/water/lightning,) that occurs in nature, and not the natural energy used in Senjutsu, right?

 

[Knyght]

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Yeah, reworded it.

Made an addendum to "Creating the Elements and Controlling the Elements" too.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

RE: The Naruversity

I would put as some further addendums that:

A: Seeing as the Databook entry for the Fire Sealing Method states that "it requires a caster well-versed in the exacting art of "Sealing Formulas", as well as in ninjutsu," in order to produce a Element Sealing Method scroll, the creator must have a minimum of ability in transforming their chakra to that Element (even if it's only enough to burn/soak/crumble/crinkle/cut a leaf, and not do something extreme like cutting the flow of a waterfall.) This would mean that Jiraiya couldn't produce Lightning Sealing Method scrolls, as Lightning Release is the only one of the basic 5 transformations he doesn't have on his profile. This also means a Shinobi with an Advanced Element Bloodline could learn how to seal their own element away. However, as it's unlikely that they will ever fight another user of their combination element, it's deemed simply not worth the time to learn how, when their time could be spent doing something else.

and:

B: A Shinobi can't normally use a preprepared Element Sealing Method that was made by somebody else, due to the chakra of the user and the chakra of the creator not matching/being in sych, meaning the user can't trigger the sealing process.

So for Kakashi to use a Fire Sealing Method scroll that Jiraiya made, either Kakashi would have to synchronise his chakra so it's compatible with Jiraiya's when activating the scroll, or Jiraiya would have had to synchronise his chakra with Kakashi's while he was producing the scroll.

So for one man to supply an entire army with Fire/Water/Earth/Lightning/Wind/Combination Element Sealing Methods, he would have to have incredible stamina, know a clone jutsu that would allow him to mass-produce the scrolls quickly, be an unprecedented genius at synchronising his chakra with others, and be able to produce or otherwise have access to chakra of every (or almost every) element. And, come on, how likely is it that someone like that exists?

...

 

[Altered Nova]

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Ah, so a Transcription Seal would basically be about storing Jutsu made from your chakra, while Element Sealing Method would be about sealing elemental jutsu made from someone else's chakra.

Another difference would be that Transcription Seals store the jutsu before it is cast - Itachi sealed that Amaterasu into Sasuke's eyes by poking him in the forehead, no black flames were actually created in the process. But Element Sealing Method is meant to capture a jutsu that's already been fired off.

I doubt that they were hit by a stored Genjutsu, as according to the 3rd Databook, one of the disadvantages of Genjutsu is that prolonged use will injure the user, which implies that Genjutsu require a constant "stream" of chakra to the targets circulatory system. I imagine only fire-and-forget techniques can be stored in scrolls.

A "sleep" jutsu is probably one of the few common genjutsu that is fire-and-forget though. Once they have fallen asleep you can safely cut off the chakra flow and they'll probably keep sleeping naturally for a while.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

RE: The Naruversity

Ah, so a Transcription Seal would basically be about storing Jutsu made from your chakra, while Element Sealing Method would be about sealing elemental jutsu made from someone else's chakra.

Another difference would be that Transcription Seals store the jutsu before it is cast - Itachi sealed that Amaterasu into Sasuke's eyes by poking him in the forehead, no black flames were actually created in the process. But Element Sealing Method is meant to capture a jutsu that's already been fired off.

I doubt that they were hit by a stored Genjutsu, as according to the 3rd Databook, one of the disadvantages of Genjutsu is that prolonged use will injure the user, which implies that Genjutsu require a constant "stream" of chakra to the targets circulatory system. I imagine only fire-and-forget techniques can be stored in scrolls.

A "sleep" jutsu is probably one of the few common genjutsu that is fire-and-forget though. Once they have fallen asleep you can safely cut off the chakra flow and they'll probably keep sleeping naturally for a while.

Both good points. Hey, what do you think of my idea that the False Surroundings Technique and the Temple of Nirvana (which can both be cast over a wide area) could fall under the classification "Barrier Genjutsu?"

 

[Knyght]

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The injury doesn't necessarily have to come from continually channelling chakra either. It could be backlash from maintaining that flow of chakra within the victim's brain (without actually adding more chakra into the mix) and/or trying to sustain the illusion against the target's mental resistance.

Though the only time I remember a genjutsu causing problems for the caster was when Sasuke broke the Tsukuyomi. And normally, you can apparently get away with breaking a genjutsu without the caster realising which is what happened between Shikamaru and Tayuya, IIRC.

addendums

These have the problem of contradicting Shikamaru's implied use of Lightning Sealing Method to defend against Kakuzu's False Darkness. The scroll's blank in the online version but you can faintly see a formula in the official volumes. With these, he'd need to have designed the sealing formula himself and used lightning nature transformation to do so. He definitely doesn't have the latter.

Though it can be countered with the idea of there being a general Element Sealing Method that isn't tailored towards a specific element so it can be used on any of them, it just isn't as good.

And I'm not sure I see the point of the second one other than making Naruto (potentially) look good? Using a preprepared scroll seems like a legit method. Is it to justify why the jutsu doesn't see much use in canon? Which you could probably by needing some skill in fuuinjutsu to actually use it, as well as having a formula on-hand and be fast enough to block a jutsu with it.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

RE: The Naruversity

addendums

These have the problem of contradicting Shikamaru's implied use of Lightning Sealing Method to defend against Kakuzu's False Darkness. The scroll's blank in the online version but you can faintly see a formula in the official volumes. With these, he'd need to have designed the sealing formula himself and used lightning nature transformation to do so. He definitely doesn't have the latter.

I'm sorry, but I don't remember this. I remember Shikamaru unsealing some water to defend against Kakuzu's Intelligent Hard Work, and Kakashi counter-balancing his False Darkness with a Lightning Cutter in each hand, but not Shikamaru defending himself against Kakuzu's Lightning technique. Do you have a link?

And I'm not sure I see the point of the second one other than making Naruto (potentially) look good? Using a preprepared scroll seems like a legit method. Is it to justify why the jutsu doesn't see much use in canon? Which you could probably by needing some skill in fuuinjutsu to actually use it, as well as having a formula on-hand and be fast enough to block a jutsu with it.

Yeah, to justify why they never see much use in canon, as well as why we only see Konan use the "hit 'em with a f*ckton of Exploding Tags" strategy." Only the person who makes an exploding tag can trigger it, and Konan's the only person in the manga who's perfectly suited to mass-produce them.

I'd actually written most of it down when it occured to me what the implications would be for Naruto.

 

[Knyght]

RE: The Naruversity

I'm sorry, but I don't remember this. I remember Shikamaru unsealing some water to defend against Kakuzu's Intelligent Hard Work, and Kakashi counter-balancing his False Darkness with a Lightning Cutter in each hand, but not Shikamaru defending himself against Kakuzu's Lightning technique. Do you have a link?

Shikamaru whipped a scroll out of one of his pouches and opened it up as the False Darkness came flying. All the online scans I found have it blank and in the anime, the scroll just has the kanji for "shield" on it which I think was meant to create a chakra shield. But what I could see in my copy of the volume looked like a sealing formula, so it made me think of Jiraiya's Fire Sealing Method.

Yeah, to justify why they never see much use in canon, as well as why we only see Konan use the "hit 'em with a f*ckton of Exploding Tags" strategy." Only the person who makes an exploding tag can trigger it, and Konan's the only person in the manga who's perfectly suited to mass-produce them.

I'd actually written most of it down when it occured to me what the implications would be for Naruto.

But wouldn't that mean that Naruto (and everyone else, I guess) was making his own exploding tags even in Part 1?

Even if anyone could use an exploding tag used by anyone, it would probably still be a costly endeavour in time, money and/or chakra to collect them in large quantities. As a whole, the villages would be more interested in ensuring its distribution to all their soliders and individual ninjas would only be willing to spend so much time making these tags.

 

[Altered Nova]

RE: The Naruversity

Hey, what do you think of my idea that the False Surroundings Technique and the Temple of Nirvana (which can both be cast over a wide area) could fall under the classification "Barrier Genjutsu?"

I dunno. I've always imagined that most regular genjutsu work under the "wide area of effect" concept. You cast your chakra out in a large area around the target (to prevent them from dodging it) and it seeps into their body and makes it's way to their brain. It's just that for most genjutsu, the user stops maintaining the chakra field once the target has been captured in the illusion.

So False Surrounding and Temple of Nirvana only differ because they are designed to capture large numbers of people and the 'area of effect' is larger than the norm, not because they work on an entirely different principle. It's a sliding scale.

Yeah, to justify why they never see much use in canon, as well as why we only see Konan use the "hit 'em with a f*ckton of Exploding Tags" strategy." Only the person who makes an exploding tag can trigger it, and Konan's the only person in the manga who's perfectly suited to mass-produce them.

Tobirama, Hanzou and Jinpachi Munashi have also used the "hit 'em with a f*ckton of Exploding Tags" strategy. Konan just cranked that strategy up to 11 and then some.

My personal theory to explain the rarity of exploding tags is that for most people who aren't elite fuuinjutsu geniuses like Jiraiya or Paper Ninjutsu prodigies like Konan, drawing out an exploding tag would take at least an hour or two and the smallest mistake could render the whole thing useless or even cause a backfire. So most ninja who aren't fuuinjutsu specialists don't bother to make their own tags and just buy them from a specialist supplier. Those things are expensive though, so most ninja can't afford to stockpile huge numbers of them.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

RE: The Naruversity

I'm sorry, but I don't remember this. I remember Shikamaru unsealing some water to defend against Kakuzu's Intelligent Hard Work, and Kakashi counter-balancing his False Darkness with a Lightning Cutter in each hand, but not Shikamaru defending himself against Kakuzu's Lightning technique. Do you have a link?

Shikamaru whipped a scroll out of one of his pouches and opened it up as the False Darkness came flying. All the online scans I found have it blank and in the anime, the scroll just has the kanji for "shield" on it which I think was meant to create a chakra shield. But what I could see in my copy of the volume looked like a sealing formula, so it made me think of Jiraiya's Fire Sealing Method.

Shikamaru carries around something that works like the puppet Mechanical Light Shield Block technique, or something like Tenten's anime-only Summoning: Iron Protection Wall?

Considering that Shikimaru only saw Kakuzu's Earth Grudge Fear (and possibly unknowingly Earth Release: Earth Spear, as it's been a while since I read the fight and can't remember all the details,) why would he be carrying around a Lightning Sealing Method. He had no idea that Kakuzu could throw around and use high-level Jutsu of every basic element.

Yeah, to justify why they never see much use in canon, as well as why we only see Konan use the "hit 'em with a f*ckton of Exploding Tags" strategy." Only the person who makes an exploding tag can trigger it, and Konan's the only person in the manga who's perfectly suited to mass-produce them.

I'd actually written most of it down when it occured to me what the implications would be for Naruto.

But wouldn't that mean that Naruto (and everyone else, I guess) was making his own exploding tags even in Part 1?

Even if anyone could use an exploding tag used by anyone, it would probably still be a costly endeavour in time, money and/or chakra to collect them in large quantities. As a whole, the villages would be more interested in ensuring its distribution to all their soliders and individual ninjas would only be willing to spend so much time making these tags.

Hmm... We don't see Explosive Tags untill the Forest of Death, when that Rain-nin uses one... The Sound Four uses 4 Tags in their Barrier Method Formation...

I can't think of a time in Part 1 that we see Team 7 uses Explosive Tags. So yeah, unless you can think of something that disproves it, my head-canon is that all Ninja have to make their own tags, but it's a fairly basic skill, and it doesn't take that much time or effort to produce a couple of tags.

Jiraiya probably taught Naruto how to do it during the time-skip.

 

[Altered Nova]

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Knowing Shikamaru, he probably grabbed a couple scrolls of every kind of Elemental Sealing Method just to be prepared. Dude was going up against two S-rank ninja, you can't be too prepared in a situation like that.

Or possibly, he did some research on Kakuzu before hunting him down for revenge. Kakuzu has been alive for 80+ years and he's actively working as a bounty hunter. He should be fairly well known to the major villages since he makes a living competing with them for marks and even occasionally killing famous ninja with bounties.

I can't think of a time in Part 1 that we see Team 7 uses Explosive Tags.

Naruto used an explosive tag in part 1. He literally shoved it up Gaara's ass. It was awesome.

 

[Knyght]

RE: The Naruversity

What he said. Especially that last bit.

Shikamaru carries around something that works like the puppet Mechanical Light Shield Block technique, or something like Tenten's anime-only Summoning: Iron Protection Wall?

It looked like the former from what I remember. You'd have to watch the episode to see it since I can't find a picture.

Edit: For some reason, this exploding tag has a totally different design to the one above. :hmm:

 

[nixofcyzerra]

RE: The Naruversity

Hey, what do you think of my idea that the False Surroundings Technique and the Temple of Nirvana (which can both be cast over a wide area) could fall under the classification "Barrier Genjutsu?"

I dunno. I've always imagined that most regular genjutsu work under the "wide area of effect" concept. You cast your chakra out in a large area around the target (to prevent them from dodging it) and it seeps into their body and makes it's way to their brain. It's just that for most genjutsu, the user stops maintaining the chakra field once the target has been captured in the illusion.

So False Surrounding and Temple of Nirvana only differ because they are designed to capture large numbers of people and the 'area of effect' is larger than the norm, not because they work on an entirely different principle. It's a sliding scale.

That makes sense. I think we touched on that in the Genjutsu and "Unbreakable Genjutsu" posts several pages back.

Yeah, to justify why they never see much use in canon, as well as why we only see Konan use the "hit 'em with a f*ckton of Exploding Tags" strategy." Only the person who makes an exploding tag can trigger it, and Konan's the only person in the manga who's perfectly suited to mass-produce them.

Tobirama, Hanzou and Jinpachi Munashi have also used the "hit 'em with a f*ckton of Exploding Tags" strategy. Konan just cranked that strategy up to 11 and then some.

Tobirama's Mutually Multiplying Explosive Tags involves the use of "Tags that summon more tags that then explode - a special explosion tag." Tobirama's a genius. Go figure.

Hanzo's Fire Release: Exploding Flame Formation involved special fire-imbued tags. He probably stock-piled them himself. He had enough time on his hands.

Maybe the Shibuki sword is special becuase it automates the tag making process. Add chakra, get explosive tags.

My personal theory to explain the rarity of exploding tags is that for most people who aren't elite fuuinjutsu geniuses like Jiraiya or Paper Ninjutsu prodigies like Konan, drawing out an exploding tag would take at least an hour or two and the smallest mistake could render the whole thing useless or even cause a backfire. So most ninja who aren't fuuinjutsu specialists don't bother to make their own tags and just buy them from a specialist supplier. Those things are expensive though, so most ninja can't afford to stockpile huge numbers of them.

The idea of shops where you can buy explosives seems a tag odd to me, and I didn't see any in what little we saw of Tenten's epilogue shop.

Knowing Shikamaru, he probably grabbed a couple scrolls of every kind of Elemental Sealing Method just to be prepared. Dude was going up against two S-rank ninja, you can't be too prepared in a situation like that.

Or possibly, he did some research on Kakuzu before hunting him down for revenge. Kakuzu has been alive for 80+ years and he's actively working as a bounty hunter. He should be fairly well known to the major villages since he makes a living competing with them for marks and even occasionally killing famous ninja with bounties.

And yet Kakashi was all like "How is he using so many high-level Jutsu of different elements?" one page after counterbalancing Kakuzu's False Darkness. So if that were true, Shikamaru apparently didn't share any of his research during the strategy session where Shikamaru handed Kakashi that blood-container thing.

As for Shika getting his Batman on, I guess that's possible, but by this point Konoha had encountered 6 members of Akatsuki including the Zombie duo, and of those six, only Itachi and Kisame used elemental Jutsu. If Shika was going to Batman it up, you'd think he would have prepped something else.

I can't think of a time in Part 1 that we see Team 7 uses Explosive Tags.

Naruto used an explosive tag in part 1. He literally shoved it up Gaara's ass. It was awesome.

Ah. OK, so maybe when the academy went over the theory for explosive tags, Naruto actually paid attention for once (Cool Explosions!) but he wasn't especially good at making them (bad handwriting, poor chakra control, etc.,) so he'd make about a dozen duds for every one that worked.

And Post-timeskip... the same reason Naruto never displayed any other Fuinjutsu/Formula-based Jutsu/Tools aside from unsealing a Fuma Shuriken once and making the Torri Seal (which might have been a result of sudden Ashura migration) despite training with Jiraiya?

What he said. Especially that last bit.

Shikamaru carries around something that works like the puppet Mechanical Light Shield Block technique, or something like Tenten's anime-only Summoning: Iron Protection Wall?

It looked like the former from what I remember. You'd have to watch the episode to see it since I can't find a picture.

You say your copy of the volume has a sealing formula on Shika's scroll, right? Which does it resemble more, the "runes" that are on scrolls used in the Generic Sealing Technique, or Jiraiya's Fire Sealing Method?

 

[Knyght]

RE: The Naruversity

You say your copy of the volume has a sealing formula on Shika's scroll, right? Which does it resemble more, the "runes" that are on scrolls used in the Generic Sealing Technique, or Jiraiya's Fire Sealing Method?

This is what I said when I first discovered it (after wondering why Shikamaru apparently just whipped out a blank scroll):

Actually, I had a look at an official scan of the page and it turns out that there is meant to be a sealing script on there. It's faint but it does look similar the Fire Sealing Method; sealing symbols across the scroll with a empty circle in the centre.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

RE: The Naruversity

*blink*

Huh. I must have missed that discussion (apparently having been more interested in discussing Naruto's fashion choices. ) So either Shikamaru can make Lightning Sealing Method scrolls, or he can synchronise his chakra to someone who can (if my idea is correct.)

Hmm, does his dad have an entry in the 4th Databook? Because his wiki page has him just knowing Yin Release (but that could just be a obvious conclusion based off of the fact that Nara Jutsu are Yin-based,) and he's a Jounin, so shouldn't he know two?

Maybe Shikaku knows Lightning Release, and Shikamaru borrowed one of his scrolls, because you never know.

Or maybe you can make "General Sealing Method" scrolls that don't require the knowledge/ability of an Element the way a Element Sealing Method does, but their lack of specialisation drastically reduces their performance. Shikamaru got out the "GSM" scroll he made earlier in a desperate attempt to block Kakuzu's False Darkness, and Kakashi, knowing that Shikamaru's scroll wouldn't be able to contain it, jumps in the way and counter-balances.

That actually makes a lot of sense, seeing as apparently anybody can use C-rank and lower Jutsu of any element without transforming your chakra in any way, as long as you know the hand-seals. If Altered Nova's idea that "Rune" Fuinjutsu is essentially "the written equivalent of a jutsu" is right...

Edit:

Though it can be countered with the idea of there being a general Element Sealing Method that isn't tailored towards a specific element so it can be used on any of them, it just isn't as good.

*sigh* Somehow failed to notice that sentence.

 

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RE: The Naruversity

Found this on Tumblr. All credit to the Original Author, Starry Company (who's brilliant and I take my hat off too.)

Naruto: A Logical Study & Guide - part 1

I would like you to have in mind that this is based on reason & logic from what I’ve observed and read from both the anime and manga. My main purpose is to have the most accurate and reasonable timeline for Naruto.

Naruto’s 12th year

According to Narutopedia, “Although not shown in the manga, at the beginning of the episode a shot of Naruto’s calendar reveals the starting date of the series to be on Tuesday the 15th of October rather than sometime at the end of March as originally speculated by fans since in Japan the usual time for a school year to end is at the end of March and begin again at the beginning of April.”

What does this exactly mean? It means that on chapter 3 of the anime, “Sasuke & Sakura: Friend or Foes?” a calendar on Naruto’s room is shown.

It pinpoints the Genin orientation date as Tuesday, October 15. Japan’s airing date for that episode was October 17, 2002, which is most likely that October 15 was the day they finished the production for that episode itself. This means that the year 2002 is the year in which Naruto officially has a timeline from there on. Therefore, the further you go back in time, you have to have in mind that the year 2002 is the foundation on which your timeline must fall on and I suggest you use the calendar from Japan itself of that year and all the years after and before that (A good site for this would be the site Time and Date: http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2002&country=26. I’ve already taken care of putting the 2002 calendar from Japan, so you have somewhere where you can start).

This also changes the misconception, as previously stated in Narutopedia, of the fans use Japan’s school year as a basis in which they can base Naruto’s school year. This is a complete and absolute error as Naruto’s school year is a complete different one than the one they have in Japan, but it has some basis on it. Naruto’s school year starts on winter and it finishes on October 10, being that that day it’s the final test to which the student can become a genin or not.

Konoha’s Academic Term – Naruto’s 12th year

1st trimester: Monday, December 2 – Friday, March 1st

2nd trimester: Monday, March 18 – Thursday, June 20

3rd trimester: Monday, August 12 – Tuesday, October 10

Genin Exam: Thursday, October 10

Genin registration: Friday, October 11

Genin Orientation: Tuesday, October 15

Vacation

Spring vacation: Saturday, March 2 – Sunday, March 17 (2 weeks and 2 days), and Monday, April 1 – Sunday, April 7

Summer vacation: Friday, June 21 – Sunday, August 11(1 month, 3 weeks and 1 day)

Winter vacation: Friday, October, 11 – Sunday, December 1 (1 month, 3 weeks and 1 day)

On Thursday, October 10 on the 12th year since the Kyuubi’s Attack and the Sandaime’s re-assignation as Hokage, Naruto paints the Hokage Monument as a birthday gift for him. He also has the Genin Exam and that’s also the day Mizuki chooses to reveal to Naruto that he’s the Kyuubi’s jinchuuriki. The next day is the Genin registration, which is on Friday, October 11. The weekend is a long one due to the fact Monday is a holiday called, “Coming of Age Day.” The government system returns to work on Tuesday, October 15, which is the day of Naruto’s Genin Orientation and the assigning of Team 7 with Hatake Kakashi as their sensei.

I’d like to thank my friend Marie Wolfe, otherwise know as freewolf17 in DA, for pointing out to what led me to do a logical study into the timeline issues within Naruto. Until the next installation, everyone!

Naruto: A Logical Study and Guide - Part 2

Hi guys! Welcome to the second part of this installation! On my last installation, I established the correct timeline where Naruto is supposed to run and where people should go by. In this one I’ll go from the infamous bell test right up to the where the Chuunin Exams start. Accompany me as we go through a brief recap of the Naruto manga and anime with an actual working timeline, without further due enjoy!

The Survival Test was omitted for good reason on part 1, due to the fact that it’s very crucial on the Naruto timeline till the start of the Chuunin Exams.

It’s a much known fact around the Naruto Fan Base that ‘Kakashi is a horrible sensei and didn’t teach his students anything at all. He even went as far as taking them to a C-rank unprepared and it even hadn’t been a month when he took them.’ I’d like to very much point out that this is completely untrue and I’d like to point out why. As I stated on part 1, it’s October 15 when Naruto gets assigned to Team 7. At the end of the introduction, he states to meet them the next day at 5:00 a.m., which would be on…

Wednesday, October 16 - Survival Test, otherwise known as the infamous Bell Test, starts at 10:10 a.m. Team 7 has an hour and 50 min. to get the bells. At 12:00 p.m. the clock rings and at 12:10 p.m. Naruto finds himself tied up to a stump with Sasuke and Sakura at each side.

We all know what happens after that, Kakashi passes them with flying colors and tells that starting tomorrow they’d start their duties a team. Therefore on…

Thursday, October 17 – Team 7 starts its duties.

After that, there are no more dates to calculate as Kishimito pretty much does a time-skip and it introduces us with Team 7 catching once again Madame Shijimi’s cat, Tora.

We start with the disastrous Land of the Waves arc, which turns Kakashi in the Naruto fandom as the worst sensei in history. If this statement it’s true, then, why does Naruto states this?

I’d like to put my emphasis on the statement of him taking many missions. Not a few missions, not just several, it clearly says many missions. How much missions exactly? The databooks only state 7 D-ranks. However, it’s most likely that it didn’t count the countless failed missions Team 7 did during that period of unknown time and the countless training it did.

But this is where it gets good, really, really good. To calculate this, I used the 2002 and 2003 Japanese calendars. The C-rank mission to the Land of Waves happens around 7 months, 1 week and 5 days later. It just so happens that it’s conveniently near a certain event. A coincidence, maybe? I think not.

Therefore, the C-rank mission (cough, B-rank, really) happens on…

Friday, May 30th –Team 7 departs very early from Konoha with Tazuna. Later on in the afternoon, after all the subsequent events happen, Naruto goes off to training to prove that heroes exist.

A small time-skip is shown and the days jump to…

Friday, June 6 – Naruto appears to be sleeping after training vigorously. He also encounters Haku, which becomes a very fundamental moment in his life as they both talk about their precious people.

Saturday, June 7 – It’s stated that Naruto left by himself last night and has also skipped breakfast again. Sasuke never returned from his walk either as he decided to train too.

Sunday, June 8 – The Battle of the Wave Bridge begins. It takes most of the morning till the afternoon. Momochi Zabuza and his apprentice Haku are among the casualties.

2 Weeks later – That’s from Monday, June 9 to Sunday, June 22. Zabuza and Haku’s graves are also shown before Team 7 departs. Tazuna names his bridge, “The Great Naruto Bridge.”

Team 7 returns to Konoha on Sunday, June 22nd. It’s most likely that Kakashi gave them the day off, which would be Monday, June 23rd. Now, you’re all probably wondering where I’m going with this and this is where I shall unveil the unmentioned certain event.

That’s right, the certain event is none other than the Chuunin Exams, that’s starts, when exactly? “…7 days from now. On the first day of the seventh moon…” Let’s backtrack a little, if in a week the exams start. Then, it’s…

Tuesday, June 24th – Team 7 is shown doing a mission and Kakashi leaves to report, due to the fact he’s being summoned. The Sandaime Hokage announces the start of the Chuunin Exams in seven days.

How do I know this? “…on the first day of the seventh moon…” I did a little bit of research about the mentioning of the seventh moon and I learned that in ancient times people used the moon as a calendar, which is called a lunisolar calendar. It’s most likely that Konoha follows a lunisolar calendar and a traditional calendar. There’s twelve lunar months and the seventh month pinpoints to July. It’s possible that the Sandaime is using this as an expression referring to July 1st, leading to the conclusion that a lunisolar calendar used to be used previously.

This means that in seven days on the…

1st of July – The Chuunin Exams start.

And that it’s my conclusion for part two. I hoped you guys have enjoyed this as much as I have and learned a lot.

Edit: Easiest way to figure out anything regarding the timeline of Part 2 is to look at characters who died, and their birthdays/age at time of Death.

Uchiha Itachi: June 9, 18 (1st appearance,) 21 (Death.)

Jiraiya: November 11, 50 (1st appearance,) 54 (Death.) Jiraiya celebrated 4 birthdays between his first appearance and his death.

Edit2: Another timeline!