RE: The Naruversity
Altered Nova said:
In the first image of Orochimaru popping out of a tree you can actually see the bark tearing up around him, and the second image of him popping out of a tree also shows a big bulge of tree tissue around him as he emerges. If I had to guess, I'd say that the "Attack Prevention Technique" probably works by pushing the materialto the side to create a tunnel for him to move through, rather than letting him actually merge with the material. That's why it's not an elemental jutsu like Hiding in Water or Hiding In Earth, and why he can move through trees with it.
He doesn't seem to be tearing the bark in the image with Anko, though. Or at least I don't see it.
knight504 said:
Transparency Escape Jutsu
This is a jutsu that Jiraiya developed as a genin for spying on women, which served him well in later life when he started his work in intelligence. It’s similar to the Hiding in Camouflage Jutsu in that it grants invisibility but instead of bending the light around him, it turns his body transparent so that light passes through him like clear glass. It’s not as effective since it only affects his visibility and creates a noticeable blur when he moves.
Wait a second, is Jiraiya's technique an entirely new Jutsu the same way Naruto's Sexy Jutsu is? Does Jiraiya just "Henge" himself into a transparent/translucent person? That crafty little pervert!
Cherry Blossom Impact
Sakura’s jutsu is defined as an adaptation of medical ninjutsu, despite being classed as taijutsu, because she uses her advanced understanding of how cells functions and control over her own chakra to push chakra into every single cell in her fist right up to their absolute limit, maximising the impact of her punch. If someone without that medical knowledge tried to use this jutsu, there would be a serious risk that they would accidently force too much chakra into their hands or not distribute it perfectly evenly among every cell, damaging their own hand.
Totally agreed. The actual punch is a Jutsu the same way Lee's Leaf Whirlwind is. My question is: Does Tsunade's "Chakra Enhanced Strength" technique ignore or bypass the body's natural limits on the amount of chakra that can be placed into a cell the same way opening the 1st Gate does, or could Tsunade and Sakura multiply the already-terrifying strength of their strikes
five-fold just by opening the Kaimon?
Nixofcyzerra's theory on what the hell the "Hand Seals" Stat in the first three Databooks actually means, and how the Databook Stats actually work (Which also ends up discussing the Rasengan and Shape Transformation some more, Karin, and Chakra Absorption Techniques, including the Preta Path's Blocking Technique Absorption Seal. Go figure.)
So, as we all know the Databook stats (that are a representation of how much of
an individual's potential has been realised, and thus
should not be used to directly compare one Shinobi's abilities to another's*) have eight categories:
Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Intelligence, Strength, Speed, Stamina, and Hand Seals.
The first seven are relatively straightforward, but what exactly does the eighth, "Hand Seals," mean? Is it a measure of how good their chakra control is? Is it a measure of how many individual seals they can drop from a series, allowing them to fire Jutsu with only one or two Hand Seals, or even none at all?
Is it a measure of their knowledge of all Hand Seals, so someone with a higher Hand Seals stat would know esoteric seals like the "Mirrored Ram Seal" Madara and Obito used in the Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal, or the "One-Handed Seals" Haku (and Minato) used? Or is it simply the speed at which they can run through a series of them (their dexterity?)
Well, I doubt it's chakra control, as both Tsunade and Part 2 Sakura have Hand Seal stats of 4, and Kurenai has a Hand Seal stat of 4.5. I find it very hard to believe that the woman who revolutionised and invented modern Medical Ninjutsu (as Hashirama's Healing Power was inherent in him, as part of his Kekkai Genkai,) her student, and a woman who's "skill with genjutsu is so vast that it is said to rival even those of Uchiha Itachi" (source: 2nd Databook, page 163,) didn't train their chakra control to their absolute limit. Plus the Strength of a Hundred Seal is "reputed to be the pinnacle of chakra control" (2nd Databook, Page 201.)
So is it that the higher your Hand Seal stat, you less you actually have to use them, as you can perform Ninjutsu with fewer Hand Seals?
Well, no. See, we know thanks to Ebisu's lecture in Part 1 that Hand Seals do manipulate the exact amount of chakra necessary to perform a technique, but what the majority of Hand Seals "govern" is Shape and Nature Transformation.
Remember these pages?
From the first page, we can infer that the Tora (Tiger) Hand Seal is commonly affiliated with Fire Release, and if a Shinobi either makes the Tora Seal, or a series of Hand Seals that ends in Tora, they're probably going to use a Fire Jutsu. Every single Fire Jutsu in the manga has Hand Seals that end in Tora, aside from the Goemon, which had Jiraiya clap his hands together (and that's always a sign of initiating a technique. Naruto sometimes did it when he built-up chakra or was trying to break a Genjutsu.) In Fire Jutsu, the Tora Seal handles the conversion of normal chakra into Fire-natured Chakra. According to Narutopedia, some other Hand Seals are associated with certain elements. According to the Sasuke vs. Deidara fight, the Snake Seal is linked to Earth Release, all of Danzo's cutting Wind Release Jutsu ended in the Dog Seal, and apparently all the Nara Hijutsu end in the Rat Seal (so I guess Rat is a "Yin-conversion Seal.")
From the second page, we can infer that the Rasengan, a Ninjutsu that is
pure Shape Transformation, either does have a "difficult" series of Hand Seals, or that someone who both knows exactly how the Rasengan works, and is highly knowledgeable about Hand Seals and how they interact with one another, could sit down somewhere and work out (maybe through equations or something, IDK) a lengthy series of Hand Seals that would allow them to use the Rasengan without going through the Balloon/Rubber Ball training.
Now, only a few days ago I, and a few other people who frequent this thread, had an extended discussion on the topic, as knight504 put it;
Naruto and Minato's Rasengan: A Bigger Rasengan or Big Ball Rasengan? In it, it was concluded that the Rasengan was considered the "highest possible point" of Shape Transformation because it combined high levels of the three different types of Shape Transformation in one Jutsu (Hence why the Big Ball Rasengan can involve compressing Chakra to "an even higher density than usual," according to its Databook Entry.
Now, the three types of Shape Transformation are as follow:
The first:
Increasing the speed of one's already-rotating chakra, (either clockwise or anti-clockwise depending on the direction their chakra naturally spins, which is indicated by their hairline,) to build-up larger quantities of chakra, and focus it to a specific place (hand, stomach, feet, wherever.) That may be what Ebisu meant when he said that Hand Seals manipulate the exact amount of chakra necessary to perform a Jutsu. Note that judging by this page:
,
learning how to accelerate your chakra's natural rotation allows you to build-up more chakra than your circulatory system can comfortably contain. Hence why Jiraiya notes that the strain is starting to get to Naruto's system.
Incidentally, this is probably how Karin's ability to completely suppress her chakra and avoid detection by Sensor-type Shinobi works. She
inverts the natural spin of her chakra, so that instead of building up chakra and increasing the amount she has flowing through her circulatory system, she reverses the process and decreases the amount she has in it, to the point where she doesn't have enough chakra within her system for Sensor-type Shinobi to detect anything (although it can't be absolutely nothing, or she'd probably die.) She can't use her Mind's Eye of the Kagura technique while she's doing this because there's practically no chakra in her system to fuel it. Heck, she's probably not much stronger physically than a Civilian of her height, weight and muscle definition when she uses it. She might even convert the "excess" chakra back into its two components, Physical and Spiritual Energy.
2nd type of Shape Transformation:
Increasing the concentration, as in
density, of one's chakra. This, along with the 1st type of building up a high amount of chakra, is the step that Naruto takes further with the Big Ball Rasengan. "An even higher density than usual."
And the 3rd:
Containment. Not letting chakra escape out of a prepared Jutsu. Note that this differs from the 2nd part of basic chakra control, which is using all of the chakra you built-up (or as much as possible) in the
formation of the Jutsu, without letting any go to waste.
You guys:
"But Nix, you handsome devil, what about the Rasengan and the Preta Path ability? The Rasengan has multiple rotations, and the Blocking Technique Absorption Seal involves absorbing any Jutsu, regardless of the Shape and/or Nature Transformation used to form it, and dispersing the chakra that forms it by spinning the chakra within one's body in the opposite direction. If the Preta Path is supposed to be a Rinnegan ability, then how come apparently anyone can learn to reverse the spin of their chakra?"
Well, there isn't a contradiction with the Rasengan due to how it works:
For a long time, I thought the technique worked by having clockwise and counter-clockwise drilling simultaneously. So you'd have a layer of clockwise rotation, surrounded by a layer of counter-clockwise rotation, surrounded by a layer of clockwise rotation, and so on. But it doesn't.
The inside of a Rasengan doesn't look like "Figure A" here:
It looks like this:
That's because the Rasengan works by rotating your chakra in one direction
from several different angles.
When Naruto was first trying the make the balloon burst in his flashback in chapter 151, he was experimenting with moving his chakra around in different ways, but he was spinning his chakra in the opposite direction from his natural rotation, left, and it was disrupting his chakra flow due to it not being in harmony with his natural rotation.
When Naruto uses a second hand (either his own or a clone's) to form a Rasengan, it isn't because he hasn't got the "make the chakra more dense" stage or the "Containment" stage down (although judging by the Rasengan he used against Kabuto, he hadn't quite gotten the hang of the 3rd stage at that point,) it's because it's hard to make chakra rotate from a variety of angles fast enough to make an entire revolution, to make it "all the way round." That's what the clone does. It adds a bit more momentum to all the individual "strands" of rotation, giving them "a push" to make it back to above the centre of Naruto's hand, where they'll be given another "push."
Edit said:
Databook 4 thread said:
Spiralling Chained Spheres is a variation on the use of the Rasengan: by using two Rasengan with opposite rotations at the same time, the damages inflicted to the enemy is elevated by many times.
I don't know whether this is referring to the Twin Rasengan that Naruto used in KCM, or the Sage Art: Spiralling Serial Spheres that Naruto used against the Animal Path of Pain, but by this point Naruto's Shape Transformation has reached the point where, with the help of Kurama chakra arms or a clone, he can overcome the disruption of his chakra flow due to spinning his chakra opposite to his natural rotation. He doesn't suppress his chakra because he's not inverting his natural right rotation, just adding a left rotation "on top of it," and possibly also because he's simultaneously rotating his chakra clockwise and counter-clockwise, one for each Rasengan (or in the case of the Sage Art: Spiralling Serial Spheres, he provides the rotation for one Rasengan, and the clone supplies the other, which works because their palms are symmetrical, as in the clone's left hand is matching Naruto's right hand. It's the opposite principle of how someone can't shake a person's right hand with their left.) Planetary Rasengan is just an extension of these principles.
As for the Blocking Technique Absorption Seal, that can be explained quite neatly too:
Let me give you a supposition first:
All Chakra absorption methods work by reversing the spin of your natural chakra rotation.
I know what you're thinking, that's part of the description for the Preta Path power. But here me out. Someone like Yoroi Akado or Jirobo of the Sound Four absorbs chakra by reversing their natural chakra flow to suppress and lower the amount of chakra they have in their circulatory system (though not to the extent Karin does.) As a result of this, a low "chakra-pressure" environment is created in their circulatory system. By figuring out how to make their normally Unidirectional/One-way (only lets chakra out) Semi-permeable/Selectively-Permeable (only lets chakra out) Tenketsu into a two-way Semi-permeable membrane, the chakra of the target that they are trying to drain will diffuse from its current high-concentration environment to the absorber's low-concentration environment. It's "Chakra-Osmosis!" That's probably why we never see anyone drain someone of their chakra and beat the hell out of them at the same time. They can't enhance their body and absorb chakra at the same time!
But that still leaves the question of why the Blocking Technique Absorption Seal deserves to be a Rinnegan technique. Well, the answer is simple. The Rinnegan gives you mastery of all five basic Elements (it makes you the Avatar!) It probably gives you similar "instant mastery" for Shape Transformation. Hence why the Blocking Technique Absorption Seal can absorb "any chakra, regardless of any shape or nature transformation." If Yoroi Akado tried to absorb chakra that had been transformed in any way, he'd fail, so he can only absorb it from his opponent's circulatory system directly.
Now, you may be wondering precisely why I had to go through ALL that for an explanation about the Hand Seal stat. Well, it's simple. Naruto has effectively mastered Shape Transformation to a higher level than most Jounin do (as I imagine the Rasengan uses twice as much Shape Transformation as the "average" A-rank Ninjutsu does, to make up for its lack of Nature Transformation.) So if Naruto knew any Jutsu that used Hand Seals, he could probably reduce the series of Hand Seals it takes down to just the "Element Conversion Seals." Furthermore, Naruto has completely mastered Wind Transformation to the highest level, being able to instantaneously produce a huge quantity of sharp Wind-natured chakra, enough to disrupt and cut the fast-flowing water of a Waterfall. So post-Rasenshuriken Training/Databook 3 Naruto should be able to learn a Wind Jutsu, memorise the "feeling/sensation" of how the chakra is manipulated through Hand Seals, and then just replicate the two types of Transformation that the chakra goes through without them! Sealless Wind Jutsu! He looks at you. Bam, you just got blown away with a Great Breakthrough! He takes a deep breath. Boom! Vacuum Sphere/Vacuum Great Sphere/Vacuum Serial Waves coming at you!
So with such a broken level of Shape/Nature Transformation, Naruto's Databook 3 Hand Seals stat should be-
...Ah. Apparently the Hand Seal stat doesn't refer to your ability to "drop" them. I guess it's just a measure of how fast and how accurate someone is with them, along with knowledge of obscure Seals in addition to the standard 12, and how they all interact with each other.
Edit: Apparently the 2nd Databook (and
this post) clarified that the Hand Seal stat is the level that the character "displays knowledge and proficiency in seals, used to perform jutsu." Kind of wish I knew that
before I started writing this post. <_<
*Seeing as the 1st Databook, which covers up to a few chapters into the Konoha Crush Arc, gave Sasuke a speed stat of 3, and Lee a speed stat of 4, despite the fact that they're either the exact same actual speed, or so close you couldn't tell otherwise. This, plus the fact that Wave Arc Sasuke (who had yet to even go through his training for the Chuunin Exam's Final) out-sped Haku, who had a speed stat of 4, shows that Sasuke has a much greater "speed potential" than either Lee or Haku. In fact, as both Sasuke and Lee both have speed stats of 4.5 in Databook 3 (Lee's speed stat only increasing by 0.5,*2) and we know they were just as fast as each other during the invasion, we can deduce that Part 2 Sasuke is "actually" naturally/inherently faster than Lee by a factor of either exactly or approximately 1/3. He's 33-4% (or approx. 33-4%) faster than Lee.
*2 The fact that many character's strength and speed stats didn't seem to increase very much during the time between the End of Part 1 (Databook 2) and the Sasuke vs. Itachi fight (Databook 3) isn't an indication that they showed little linear physical improvement, but that the majority of their improvement came through their actual growth (getting older.) So "recently turned 13 years old Naruto" went from having "unlocked" 60% of his 13 year-old body's potential strength/speed (Databook 2 stats of 3/3,) to having "unlocked"
65% of his
15+1/2 year-old body's potential strength/speed (Databook 3 stats of 3.5/3.5,) going from strong enough to
stop a giant snake's lips from closing on him, to being able to
shatter stone from a point of poor leverage, after having a good portion of his chakra drained by the Preta Path (and No, he wasn't in Sage Mode when he did it.)
