Naruto The Narutoversity

[Altered Nova]

RE: The Naruversity

Very nice post.

I suppose that's one of the differences between Juugo's genetic curse seal and Orochimaru's physical inked-on copy then, that Juugo's is always active so he's essentially always in "Level 2" even if he doesn't look it, while Orochimaru's curse seal has to be activated which is why those with his curse seal don't go on violent rampages.

So the reason Juugo's clansmen can transform freely is because they were born with the curse seal and have thus adapted to it to a degree that Orochimaru's curse seal users can only dream of?

If Juugo's genetic curse seal is inheritable... is Orochimaru's curse seal also inheritable?

And that reminds me, it's should be worth noting in that theory the implication that Rasa - and presumably the Third Kazekage - were blood related to some of the previous jinchuuriki based on his eye markings. I'm re-reading it now and I'm not sure if that relationship was implied or if you went a different direction with the Desert Styke's origin in non-jinchuuriki.

It could go either way. My theory was that Desert Style Magnet Release was an artificial bloodline that was given to humans through researching the powers of the jinchuuriki. I didn't explain the mechanics of that research and left it vague though. They could have experimented on the children of the jinchuuriki to ensure they inherited a power that they normally would not have, or transferred genetic material from the jinchuuriki to other people.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

RE: The Naruversity

Desert Style Magnet Release was invented by the Third Kazekage, who applied his own Magnet Release to iron sand to copy the Sand Manipulation of Shukaku and his hosts. It was later technically improved by Fourth Kazekage Rasa and its out-of-combat uses perfected by his disciple in the Gaara Hiden

 

[ankokudaishogun]

RE: The Naruversity

Also: legacy and traditions are very important in Suna.
All the Kazekage came from the same clan, which explains why Gaara got the title: at the time he was the strongest of the clan by far, and his refound sanity made him able to get the position. Basically, he was half a puppet Kage, especially in the beginnin, and everybody was aware of it, if not of the exact extention of his manipulation.

 

[Knyght]

RE: The Naruversity

So the reason Juugo's clansmen can transform freely is because they were born with the curse seal and have thus adapted to it to a degree that Orochimaru's curse seal users can only dream of?

Basically. It's a Kekkei Genkai in all but name and someone who's only branded with Orochimaru's juinjutsu just lacks that spark the Tenbin Clan have with this power.

If Juugo's genetic curse seal is inheritable... is Orochimaru's curse seal also inheritable?

There might be some residual effects passed on like how Sasuke could adapt to Juugo's chakra even after he lost the curse seal, but in my mind Orochimaru's work isn't good enough to do what the Tenbin did. Assuming it was because of the curse seal itself and not the other factors since I'm leaving that open.

 

[Knyght]

Orochimaru's Cursed Seal v1 (Version 2)

Long before Orochimaru ever left the Hidden Leaf, he learned about an extinct clan from the Warring States Era capable of bizarre bodily transformations. Like all such abilities, the idea fascinated him and he resolved to look deeper into them.

His investigations taught him that they possessed some type of genetic cursed seal which fueled their transformations. When he looked into it, he found its source in the Ryuuichi Cave, the homeland of the summon snakes. It was here that Orochimaru first signed the snake summoning contract just as Jiraiya found the toads in Mount Myoboku and Tsunade found the slugs in Shikkotsu Forest.

And it was here that Orochimaru tried to learn senjutsu, the original source of the Tenbin Clan's power. He made some progress in creating sage chakra but his body simply wasn't strong enough to withstand the rigors of harnessing it and thus couldn't bring out its true potential.

This is partially responsible for why Orochimaru sought immortality by transferring from one body to another as he believed that a more powerful body would allow him to achieve a true Sage Mode. Until that time, he decided to developed an alternative method of harnessing senjutsu based on Tenbin's power; a cursed seal that would induce an artificial type of Sage Mode in the subject.

The cursed seal was made from Orochimaru's sage chakra and a fraction of his consciousness resides within it when he brands the subject. It works by drawing the individual's chakra into the cursed seal, converting into Orochimaru's sage chakra - molded by the fragment of his consciousness inside it - and then pumping back into their body. The more senjutsu chakra is produced, the further the cursed seal spreads over their body and the more powerful they become. And with Orochimaru's chakra flowing through inside them, the bearer's darker emotions and impulses are stimulated whenever they use the cursed seal.

Each cursed seal manifests in a design unique to the individual. There are only two patterns known to reoccur which would appear in the hosts with the greatest power or potential. The Cursed Seal of Heaven for those attuned to Yin, and the Cursed Seal of Earth for those attuned to Yang.

After the branding, the victim falls unconscious as their body is forced to adapt to its tainted power. Not everything survives and it was proven to have a one out of ten survival rate when Mitarashi Anko, Orochimaru's favoured student, was the only one to live through the process during the first round of experimentation. That was one of the last experiments Orochimaru conducted as a shinobi of Konoha.

Anko's cursed seal was studied by Konoha but they could find no way to remove it without killing her. The only one who might have been able to divine more about its nature was Jiraiya but he was preoccupied in chasing after Orochimaru who had defected. Fortunately, Anko never used its power which kept her free of its influence until it was suppressed and dormant.

It wasn't until years later Orochimaru that he finally got his hands on a living member of the Tenbin Clan for his experiments. He extracted the Juugo's bodily fluids and refined an enzyme that induced similar powers in the subjects of his cursed seal.

This new version of the cursed seal is injected into the target rather than just branded on them. On the surface, it appears to be no different from the prototype cursed seal which is what misled those who saw Sasuke's cursed seal as they assumed it was the same as Anko's. In actuality, this version has two levels.

Level 1 functions the same as the prototype for the most part. But the enzyme means that its mental influence is far greater before so that it cannot easily be suppressed - reflecting the volatile nature of the Tenbin Clan - and it has the potential for growth. The more the cursed seal is used, the more it will invade the body and mind until they are completely taken over. Once that level of corruption is reached, the bearer will have lost all free will to Orochimaru and will achieve the next plateau of power known as Level 2 or the Cursed Seal Transformation.

This state can also be induced by the Mind Awakening Pill, a drug that Orochimaru developed that increases the speed of the cursed seal's contamination to forcefully raise it from Level 1 to Level 2. This is a lethal process since the body cannot safely adjust to that sudden influx of power, so it requires the use of the Four Blacks Fogs Formation and Dark Sealing Method to soften that death to a temporary coma until the drug's work is done.

This method can actually circumvent the brainwashing effect of the cursed seal because it doesn't have the time to corrupt the bearer. Sasuke was partially able to preserve his own mind because Orochimaru's desperation pushed him to evolve the boy's cursed seal early to make him a suitable vessel. With the powerful bloodline of the Uchiha and a full evolved cursed seal, Sasuke would have been the perfect container.

This Level 2 is where the cursed seal truly mimics the powers of the Tenbin Clan. It draws natural energy directly from the world to empower the bearer instead of using Orochimaru's sage chakra. This induces a transformation similar to Sage Mode where their bodies take on monstrous appearances and all of their abilities are amplified by the cursed seal chakra. Their strength, speed, durability and stamina increases, the power of their jutsu is heightened and even Kekkei Genkai are pushed beyond their usual limits. The only cost is that using Level 2 causes a strain on the body that can leave them unnaturally exhausted once it's released. Those particularly skilled in using the cursed seal can undergo partial transformations instead, taking advantage of their altered forms without the strain.

Orochimaru's ideal vessel would have possessed a naturally strong body that comes from a powerful bloodline such as the Kaguya or the Uchiha, and would have been corrupted by the full evolved cursed seal to provide a body capable of using senjutsu and remove any resistance against the Living Corpse Reincarnation. But Kimimaro's sickness and Sasuke's defiance prevented that ideal from ever being made a reality.

 

[Altered Nova]

RE: The Naruversity

Desert Style Magnet Release was invented by the Third Kazekage, who applied his own Magnet Release to iron sand to copy the Sand Manipulation of Shukaku and his hosts. It was later technically improved by Fourth Kazekage Rasa and its out-of-combat uses perfected by his disciple in the Gaara Hiden

I think you got confused by my theory. All magnet release users from that village are using Desert Style, not just the Third and Fourth Kazekages. I coined the term 'Desert Style Magnet Release' to refer to all Magnet Release ninjutsu that originate from Sunagakure, to differentiate it from the type of Magnet Release that is practiced in Kumogakure. They are both Magnet Release, but they work in slightly different ways. It's like how "Cement Style" and "Lava Style" Lava Release come from Iwagakure, "Corrosion Style" Lava Release from Kiri, and "Rubber Style" Lava Release from Kumo.

All the Kazekage came from the same clan

You go a source for this? Rasa and Gaara obviously are related, but I can't find any canon source that claims the first three Kazekage were all related as well.

It would also protect the bearer by preventing an imbalance of energies within their bodies from transforming them into statues of stone. However it wasn't enough to stop the imbalance itself. Instead the curse seal would inadvertently overwhelm the bearer's mind with homicidal rage when they had gathered too much natural energy, causing them to go on a rampage until the excess energy is spent and return to their natural state of mind. This cost was considered worth the risk and the curse seal was given to all of the Tenbin Clan and they call this new power Sage Transformation,

So I have been wondering why exactly the curse seal would do this. Why make the user transform into a homicidal lunatic when their energies are unbalanced? Why not just make them violently smash inanimate objects around them? It would be a much more efficient and less insane/evil method to spend the excess energy than looking for some innocent person to murder.

Related to that, why is it a "curse" seal? Why not just a seal? Why's it gotta have horrible side-effects like that? And I think I came up with a theory to explain this strangeness:

What if the guy who originally invented the seal actually did just invent a "seal"? It didn't drive the users to madness or anything like that. It just automatically drew in nature energy and eliminated the danger of unbalanced nature energy. But when the snakes found out they had been betrayed, they were pissed. And they took out their revenge by casting a curse on the Tenbin clan. That curse twisted their new seal into a curse seal which corrupted their bodies and minds. It would still draw in nature energy and protect them from petrification, but now it could not be shut off and when they inevitably overdosed on nature energy they would be transformed into homicidal demons for a time. Only by becoming a Perfect Sage could a Tenbin avoid this fate, and precious few people ever achieve that level of skill with senjutsu.

 

[Knyght]

RE: The Naruversity

We're thinking along similar lines since I was wondering why someone would make this a curse seal too after writing this. Good stuff, Altered. Much more thorough than the wisp of an idea I had here.

Casting a curse would be a legit possibility since we know that Jujutsu - Curse Techniques - exists because of Hidan who uses the blood of his enemies in his ritual. Blood that would be on the summoning contract that practically everyone in the Tenbin Clan would have signed to summon snakes in the first place.

In other news, I've also put together something for the Power of the White Snake that's bugged me for ages, though it's really just a draft. I'll post that soon.

 

[thecuiy]

RE: The Naruversity

It could be like the idea of senjutsu in DxD where the sages also take in the 'madness' of the world. Because of the seal and so much exposure to natural energy Juugo's clan could be more succeptible to that 'madness' then normal sages. or something or something

 

[Altered Nova]

RE: The Naruversity

How were the Tenbin branded with this curse seal? Is it an actual tattoo on their skin, or something inside of their body? Does Juugo have a curse seal mark somewhere on his body as well, or is that something only the first generation of users had and their children only inherited the changes caused by the curse seal, but not the seal itself?

Or perhaps the original fuuinjutsu might not have been something applied to the body but rather an external fuuinjutsu array? Like the one Shizune used to heal Neji. The fuuinjutsu array was used to modify the bodies of the Tenbin clan in order to give them this power. That could explain why it's Juugo's enzymes that were used to give his power to others, and why it was inheritable.

Also are you sure about the Tenbin clan being destroyed during the Warring States Era? I'm pretty sure Juugo mentioned having a village once that knew about his Sage Transformation ability. That made me think that the clan's destruction had been more recent, within Juugo's own lifespan. Perhaps during the Third Shinobi World War?

A random thought, but how do you think the Tenbin clan handled their berserking kin? Did they use barrier jutsu to imprison them until they calmed down? Did any calm clan members nearby just dogpile the berserker and hold them still? Did they have some means to beat the nature energy out of them like the toad summons do? Did they typically have enough warning before an episode to seek out a holding cell and lock themselves up until it passed? Some of all of the above?

Oh, one more question. Why do you think extreme killer intent is able to calm a berserking Tenbin? I never really understood that.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

RE: The Naruversity

Desert Style Magnet Release was invented by the Third Kazekage, who applied his own Magnet Release to iron sand to copy the Sand Manipulation of Shukaku and his hosts. It was later technically improved by Fourth Kazekage Rasa and its out-of-combat uses perfected by his disciple in the Gaara Hiden

I think you got confused by my theory. All magnet release users from that village are using Desert Style, not just the Third and Fourth Kazekages. I coined the term 'Desert Style Magnet Release' to refer to all Magnet Release ninjutsu that originate from Sunagakure, to differentiate it from the type of Magnet Release that is practiced in Kumogakure. They are both Magnet Release, but they work in slightly different ways. It's like how "Cement Style" and "Lava Style" Lava Release come from Iwagakure, "Corrosion Style" Lava Release from Kiri, and "Rubber Style" Lava Release from Kumo.

You mean there is an actual difference in their Release or it's just a matter of HOW they use them?
If the only difference is the HOW, then "[Village] Style" makes more sense, as it's coherent with the different Kenjutsu naming styles

Still, "Desert Style" as the specific Using Style employing metal sand to imitate Shukaku makes sense.
Basically:
*Cloud Style Magnet Release(Kumo-ryū Jiton): the ninjutsu style taught in Kumo to most Magnet Users. Uses Magnet Release to magnetize things to various effect.
*Sand Style Magnet Release(Suna-ryū Jiton): the ninjutsu style taught in Suna to most Magnet Users. Uses Magnet Release to move things from a distance.
*Desert Style Magnet Release(Sabaku-ryū Jiton): special ninjutsu style invented by the Third Kazekage and codified by the Fourth Kazekage Rasa. It's passed down to a select number of people(basically like Hidens, the Rasengan or Oiroke-ryū ninjutsu). Uses Magnet Release on metal sand to imitate the abilities of Shukaku and his hosts


Same thing for every Advanced Release.

All the Kazekage came from the same clan

You go a source for this? Rasa and Gaara obviously are related, but I can't find any canon source that claims the first three Kazekage were all related as well.

Gaara Hiden. Depending on the original kanji, it might be explicit, but half of the plot is based on "If Kankuro and Gaara become wizards, Shikamaru is going to inherit Suna!"

 

[Knyght]

RE: The Naruversity

You're killing me, Altered. :rip1:

How were the Tenbin branded with this curse seal? Is it an actual tattoo on their skin, or something inside of their body? Does Juugo have a curse seal mark somewhere on his body as well, or is that something only the first generation of users had and their children only inherited the changes caused by the curse seal, but not the seal itself?

I was thinking that the first generation had it as a tattoo which the following generations lacked. They had still a curse seal but it's basically ingrained in their genetic make-up rather than something branded on their skin or organs. So you couldn't find the curse seal on them when but when they start using its power, those markings still appear on their flesh.

Or perhaps the original fuuinjutsu might not have been something applied to the body but rather an external fuuinjutsu array? Like the one Shizune used to heal Neji. The fuuinjutsu array was used to modify the bodies of the Tenbin clan in order to give them this power. That could explain why it's Juugo's enzymes that were used to give his power to others, and why it was inheritable.

That sounds too much like one of those body modifying kinjutsu which takes away the emphasis on these clansmen being powered by a curse seal.

And that enzyme was something Orochimaru created from Juugo's blood rather than a something naturally developed by Juugo.

Also are you sure about the Tenbin clan being destroyed during the Warring States Era? I'm pretty sure Juugo mentioned having a village once that knew about his Sage Transformation ability. That made me think that the clan's destruction had been more recent, within Juugo's own lifespan. Perhaps during the Third Shinobi World War?

It may have been a village that was once related to the Tenbin Clan so they know a little more than most about Juugo's abilities and might be the reason he was even living there. Or they could have been told about it when Juugo was first left there or born there so he learned from them. No-one else seems to know anything about Juugo aside from Orochimaru who went out of his way to research him and his clan.

Honestly, having them destroyed in the Warring States Era just worked better for me. They were outside of any recent memory, it gives some variety as we already have a number of clans destroyed during the Hidden Village Era, it meant Orochimaru had to work harder for his investigation and it gives a simple reason for why he never got his hands on a subject before Juugo.

A random thought, but how do you think the Tenbin clan handled their berserking kin? Did they use barrier jutsu to imprison them until they calmed down? Did any calm clan members nearby just dogpile the berserker and hold them still? Did they have some means to beat the nature energy out of them like the toad summons do? Did they typically have enough warning before an episode to seek out a holding cell and lock themselves up until it passed? Some of all of the above?

Some of all of the above. Except maybe the barrier jutsu just because I prefer them being stuck with the alternatives.

Juugo is capable of transferring flesh and/or chakra so perhaps being able to mess around with another Tenbin's natural energy is within their abilities.

Oh, one more question. Why do you think extreme killer intent is able to calm a berserking Tenbin? I never really understood that.

Well, damn, I forgot all about that.

The simplest answer I can think of would be that someone with powerful chakra can cow them into submission when they go on an unintended rampage, causing them to unconsciously expel their natural energy as a self-protective reflex.

It's like how "Cement Style" and "Lava Style" Lava Release come from Iwagakure, "Corrosion Style" Lava Release from Kiri, and "Rubber Style" Lava Release from Kumo.

"Quicklime Style" and "Magma Style" would probably be more suitable names for those.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

RE: The Naruversity

On the Juugo clan, a hypothesis:
They developed the Nature-energy gathering enzyme as an adaptation to the method used in the Ryuuchi Cave to fasten the Nature Energy gathering.
Basically, the Snake equivalent of the toads' Oil.
I'm gonna bet they started to get very small amount of whatever it was, to build up resistance. Over the generations, they started to produce it by themselves.

 

[Knyght]

Power of the White Snake (Official Version)

Ever since Orochimaru found the scales of a white serpent on his parents' gravestone, he has been enamored by the idea of rebirth.

It was once the pure-hearted wish of a child who wanted to meet his lost loved ones again. But years of brutal warfare and a relentless pursuit of knowledge turned it into an obsession for immortality, living forever so that he could learn everything there is to know about chakra.

Orochimaru's early forays into immortality involved surgical procedures, medicinal drugs and forbidden jutsu and enhance his body into something that could survive the worst kind of injuries and environment; he could endure remarkable amounts of damage, heal injuries at an accelerated rate, resist any kind of poison and age remarkably slowly. However none of that was able to give him true immortality and could only extend his lifespan.

He found the path he was searching for when he discovered the Ryuuchi Cave. The White Snake Sage had lived since the era of the the Sage of Six Paths and was, in fact, the very source of the idea that white snakes symbolize rebirth. It had extended its lifespan using a jutsu that allowed it to be reborn in a younger body, allowing it up to live up to the modern day. In that revelation, Orochimaru saw how he too could become immortal. He spent years developing a jutsu that would allow him to achieve immortality by stealing the body of another and living out that life in their place. He studied the body, mind and soul extensively with all kinds of inhuman experiments to gather the knowledge he needed.

After he defected from Konoha and was no longer bound by its morality, he had the freedom to finally complete the kinjutsu.

The Living Corpse Reincarnation shed Orochimaru's human body like dead skin and granted him the body of a monster. Influenced by his deepest desires, he became the White Snake; a human-faced serpent composed of smaller snakes and with veins filled with poisonous blood.

In his true form, he swallows his chosen host and transports their souls to a mental dimension where he assimilates their mind. His snake body dies and Orochimaru dominates the body as he takes his soul and chakra takes it as his own. The victims' souls remain trapped within him and their strongest desires resonate within his subconscious so that they become his own desires.

But the strength of his chakra is usually more than the vessel can bear. If it is then within three years the body will start to reject Orochimaru's presence, making him weak and sick until he exchanges that body for a new onewhen the kinjutsu can be used again. Only a particularly strong vessel would be capable of withstanding his soul for its entire lifespan such as one with a powerful lineage or has the cursed seal.

Becoming the White Snake granted Orochimaru a host of new abilities to reflect the metamorphosis he had been through.

He can extend his body parts to great lengths, transform himself into a snake either partially or entirely, grow new flesh to adopt his original appearance and reattach severed body parts. The regenerative power of the White Snake is truly expressed with his ability to materialize an entirely new body and abandon his damaged one.

The white snakes that make up Orochimaru's true form can be released from his body to slip inside someone else. From the inside, the snake seizes control of the victim with his chakra and turns them into a victim for him to take advantage of. It was this trick that Orochimaru attempted when Itachi captured him with the Totsuka Blade but the flames of Amaterasu prevented it from coming to fruition.

The culmination of all these abilities is the Eight Branches Jutsu. Using his body of snakes and power to regeneration, Orochimaru transforms into a colossal white serpent with eight heads and eight tails. A titanic beast capable of fighting even the largest of the summoning animals or could be turned against the might of a hidden village by itself.

 

[Altered Nova]

RE: The Naruversity

You mean there is an actual difference in their Release or it's just a matter of HOW they use them?
If the only difference is the HOW, then "[Village] Style" makes more sense, as it's coherent with the different Kenjutsu naming styles

Still, "Desert Style" as the specific Using Style employing metal sand to imitate Shukaku makes sense.
Basically:
*Cloud Style Magnet Release(Kumo-ryū Jiton): the ninjutsu style taught in Kumo to most Magnet Users. Uses Magnet Release to magnetize things to various effect.
*Sand Style Magnet Release(Suna-ryū Jiton): the ninjutsu style taught in Suna to most Magnet Users. Uses Magnet Release to move things from a distance.
*Desert Style Magnet Release(Sabaku-ryū Jiton): special ninjutsu style invented by the Third Kazekage and codified by the Fourth Kazekage Rasa. It's passed down to a select number of people(basically like Hidens, the Rasengan or Oiroke-ryū ninjutsu). Uses Magnet Release on metal sand to imitate the abilities of Shukaku and his hosts

I meant that the bloodlines themselves actually work slightly differently, on account of their very different origins. Sand Style is more like telekinesis that only works on metal, while Cloud Style accurately simulates real magnetic force and thus typically only works on magnetic metals (there are a few unique exceptions though) but also has electromagnetic properties.

I think you suggestion on naming them is good though and I will change my post to match it.

Gaara Hiden. Depending on the original kanji, it might be explicit, but half of the plot is based on "If Kankuro and Gaara become wizards, Shikamaru is going to inherit Suna!"

Wait, what? This raises so many questions.

When did Suna become a monarchy where the leader position is inherited? I kind of assumed Suna was, like every other village, a merit-based military dictatorship where the strongest warrior is put in charge.

When did Suna become a patriarchy? I mean, even if I accept that Suna is a monarchy and that Kankuro and Gaara are for whatever reason disqualified from leadership, why would Shikamaru become leader of before Temari?

Even if I accept that Suna is a monarchy and that none of the sand siblings can lead it, why the fuck would they choose a soldier from a foreign nation who married into the royal family to be leader? Does the royal family have no other living relatives? Gaara doesn't have any distant cousins who could become Kazekage before Shikamaru?

Since when does Suna even have clans, let alone a royal family? Not a single character from that village has ever been given a clan name!

What the hell is a wizard in the context of the Naruto universe?

 

[ankokudaishogun]

RE: The Naruversity

Basically, Gaara Hiden gives a ton of explanations on how Suna works. I suggest it, it's a nice read.
Also, "If Kankuro and Gaara become wizards, Shikamaru is going to inherit Suna!" was an hyperbole. And "Wizard" as in the "If you turn 30 without getting laid, you become a wizard" meme.

It's not a Monarchy, but an "Alliance of Tribes" with strong values on "Traditions" and "Blood ties". It will be faster quote the relevant parts

“….is this possibly about my sister Temari?”
“Yes.” Ebizou nodded. “Listen well. Our previous Kazekage had three children. Temari, Kankurou, and you, Gaara. You, who carried the power of a Jinchuuriki then became Kazekage. I assume you understand the grave importance of such a bloodline.”
“Yes…”
Most of the world of shinobi was built on heritage.
Of course, that didn’t mean shinobi were never succeeded by people from another clan who showed talent. For example, the Sarutobi clan who held such high authority in Konohagakure village never had another clan-member as Hokage beyond the Third.
But, a large portion of jutsu used by shinobi was inherited, and furthermore, kept inside the clan as a guarantee of preserving their prosperity. And for that, one needed blood relations.
“Of course, if it’s only to preserve the existence of the house-name, then even an adopted child or son-in-law would do. But, in the end, if it isn’t a blood succession, then the people will not accept it.”
“Sunagakure’s roots lie in its tribes. And the tribes value blood ties.”
“…”
Gaara didn’t have anything he could use to retort to the elders’ words.
If he argued carelessly, they’d immediately pounce on him with retorts. He could see that, and that’s why he was listening silently. Like an obedient grandchild.
“And now we come to the main point. Temari is marrying into Konohagakure’s Nara clan…and that’s fine. We, too, have come to accept it.”
“However,” One of the elders Ikanago sharply interjected, slamming her fan against her knee. “Let’s say that in the future, a misfortune befell you and Kankurou. Let’s say that Temari and Nara Shikamaru had a child at the time. In that case…that child would become the only remaining bloodline of the kazekage.”
“I understand what you’re trying to say.” Gaara said, “In that case, you would feel the need to approach the child, and bring them back here to protect the Kazekage bloodline. Isn’t that right?”
What disgusting words I have to force out my mouth. Gaara thought.
Even though he himself had been cursed to be used as a tool by his parent, here he was talking about a child his sister hadn’t even given birth to yet, and rather than talking about congratulating her, they were talking about using the child as another political tool.
The seat of political power might be great and mighty, but it’s also a cold and desolate place.
“But, if that happened,” Gaara continued, “Then the Nara Clan would be paternal relations to the Kazekage. Then, naturally, Konohagakure would become deeply intertwined with Sunagakure’s affairs…. And this is the outcome that every single one of you elders fear. That’s what this is, isn’t it?”
“Exactly.”

From this, I'm guessing the Third Kazekage was either a blood relative of Rasa or his Master(teaching him the basis of the Iron Sand manipulation), and Rasa married in the Third's family. It, in turn, strongly suggest blood relations between the first three Kage.

Also, we learn that a number of Suna tribes\clans live outside the village proper, at least one of them is matrilineal and it's not seen as anything weird and Konoha actively worked in destabilizing Suna economically over the years, even while they were allies. Because Allies!=Friends(until Naruto)




Also: I don't agree on genetic differences between Advanced Bloodline. Given the vast difference in normal techniques, I think they simply have different technical styles.
After all,I don't remember a Suna Magnet user beside Rasa and the Third Kazekage using "telekinetic" Magnet Release.
Also, I'd remove the OCs from the thread, there is already enough speculation and hypotetical world building without adding more headaches.

 

[NMR-3]

RE: The Naruversity

Of course, that didn’t mean shinobi were never succeeded by people from another clan who showed talent. For example, the Sarutobi clan who held such high authority in Konohagakure village never had another clan-member as Hokage beyond the Third.
But, a large portion of jutsu used by shinobi was inherited, and furthermore, kept inside the clan as a guarantee of preserving their prosperity. And for that, one needed blood relations.

From this, I'm guessing the Third Kazekage was either a blood relative of Rasa or his Master(teaching him the basis of the Iron Sand manipulation), and Rasa married in the Third's family. It, in turn, strongly suggest blood relations between the first three Kage.

I agree with the first part, but I don't think that suggests blood relations between the first three Kazekage.
If we knew they all used the same jutsu, then you'd have a point. But we don't know that.

 

[Knyght]

RE: The Naruversity

I think you suggestion on naming them is good though and I will change my post to match it.

So how do you differentiate between the Lava Releases in Iwa when they are both "Rock Style" but are otherwise completely different?

 

[ankokudaishogun]

RE: The Naruversity

I think you suggestion on naming them is good though and I will change my post to match it.

So how do you differentiate between the Lava Releases in Iwa when they are both "Rock Style" but are otherwise completely different?

Rock Style(Iwa-ryū) for most techniques(Kurotsuchi included)

For the Jinchuriki style:
Beautiful(Mei), Monkey(Kō), Stone(Seki), Son(Son) or Ascetic(Gyōja) Style
All of them come from one of Son Gokū's titles and names. Choose whatever you prefer.


Also, on Lava Release: I suggest the "jutsu names change over time" explanation, like with the Kagemane\Kageshibari, to explain why the kanji difference. That and\or the "same jutsu, different names" explanation(cfr. Chidori\Raikiri)

 

[Knyght]

RE: The Naruversity

:huh:

Well, anyway, anyone got some input for the Power of the White Snake? I feel like it could and should be expanded upon but I'm not sure how or where.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

RE: The Naruversity

Isn't Power of the White Snake just fanon?

 

[thecuiy]

RE: The Naruversity

this is my own theory so take it with a grain of salt but i think its like a kind of reverse Jinchuriki process where Orochimaru implants his chakra and takes the body over from within like what Kurama was trying to do to Naruto for a good 99% of the series. The reasons the bodies he had kept failing him were because the body couldn't handle his powerful chakra. He keeps the new bodies chakra so that he retains their powers and Orochi turning himself into a pseudo Biju explains how Sasuke could lol-Sharingan him so easily. We've seen that basically chakra=soul so its not that far off.

 

[Knyght]

RE: The Naruversity

I suppose I could use more detailed mechanics of the Living Corpse Reincarnation with this then.

Isn't Power of the White Snake just fanon?

Nope. The databook also mentions "the power of the White Snake" and the "White Snake's power" in Sasuke's profile and "the regenerative power of the white snake" in the Eight Branches entry.

It's definitely a thing.

 

[Knyght]

Refined the Power of the White Snake. And the following should be the last of my Oto-centric articles:

Sound Five (Official Version)

The Sound Five are a team of shinobi from the Hidden Sound that serve as Orochimaru's personal guards. Out of all the people that he collected to create his village, these five held the greatest promise.

Jiroubou was once a mere farmer's boy who possessed a naturally large body. He could unleash great amounts of physical strength and endure a lot of punishment. Combined with the rare skill to absorb chakra, Jiroubou was incredibly dangerous in close-combat as his grappling fighting style can keep him from running out of stamina.

Tayuya traveled with a nomadic caravan of musicians. They wandered between villages, towns and cities and performed at each location for money. These performances would act as front for their shinobi missions. Their musical ability formed the base of their fighting style with sound-based genjutsu and ninjutsu. Tayuya was the prodigy of their clan, holding the most musical talent and capable of using their spirit worm hijutsu, granting her the right to summon the Doki.

Kidoumaru comes from a mercenary clan from mountainous regions. They developed their hijutsu to mimic the properties of the large spiders that lived in their land and whom they allied themselves with, learning to use their bodily fluids to produce webbing and other sticky materials. They even went so far as to alter their bodies with forbidden jutsu so that they had six arms and a third eye, a physical mutation that was passed down to their children.

Sakon and Ukon were identical twins born from a bloodline clan that specialized in assassination. Their ability to fuse their bodies together makes them the perfect duo that can support one another in ways that are simply impossible for anyone else. They are bastards who were abandoned by their civilian mother who could no longer stand the freakishness of their abilities.

These four survived being branded with the cursed seal and learned to master its power. They were all loyal to Orochimaru for their own reasons and that loyalty was cemented by the influence of its power and they soon became absolutely obedient.

Kimimaro was the last and strongest of them all. He was the youngest and most talented of the Kaguya Clan from the Land of Water, said to possess the strongest bodies with Shikotsumyaku Kekkei Genkai. They were slaughtered by Kirigakure and Kimimaro was the only survivor who was saved by Orochimaru for his own purposes.

He manifested the Cursed Seal of Earth and was given the right to lead the Sound Five when he defeated all four of its original members single-handedly. His faith in Orochimaru went beyond mere loyalty and was outright fanaticism; he would have gladly done anything that was asked of him, including giving up his body to be the perfect vessel.

To act as his protectors, Orochimaru trained them in barrier ninjutsu and fuuinjutsu to restrain his enemies and guard him from harm. Each of them trained their own skills to the limit and so are individually powerful, but together they are a truly dangerous fighting force.

 

[Knyght]

True Identity of Tobi (Official Version)

Tobi was a mistake. An aberration that was never meant to exist.

Once every thousand years the God Tree grew a mysterious fruit filled with chakra. But at the beginning of the last millenium it became a shadow of its former itself as it was reincarnated into a malevolent god and then robbed of all its power before being sealed in stone. Then around a thousand years later, its body was called forth by Uchiha Madara and came to be known as the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path. Madara used that statue as a catalyst to cultivate Senju Hashirama's unique cells and lifeforce to extend his own lifespan and cultivate what he believed were artificial humans.

Tobi was not one of those artificial humans. It was, in fact, the fruit that was meant to grow every millenium.

Using what little chakra it possessed, the Demonic Statue was only able to grow the flesh of the fruit rather than the fruit itself and the influence of the human caused it to adopt a humanoid form with both intelligence and consciousness. Tobi was hollow in both mind and body; its inhumanity and origin gave it an insatiable curiosity about all aspects of being human and its shape let it open itself up like a flower revealing its fruit yet nothing could grow inside this being.

Madara was quick to take advantage of this unique artificial human he believed himself he created. He was bound to the Statue to keep himself alive which meant that he couldn't travl beyond the boundaries of his cavern where it resides. Tobi's unique makeup meant that it could serve as his arms and legs, wrapping itself around Madara to serve as a substitute for the Statue to keep him alive and allow him to move like a far younger man. Even its single eye was perfect when he was forced to rely on a single, transplanted Sharingan to see.

When it wasn't needed, Tobi would happily merge back into the Statue until it was called upon for more interesting adventures into the outside world. In exchange for sublimating a human's power, when wrapped around them it could gain a better under of the human heart which was of the greatest interest to it.

When Uchiha Obito fell into their cave, Madara used Tobi to travel all the way to Kirigakure and manipulate their leadership to carrying out his plan that would drag the boy into the darkness and adopt his dream as his own. Tobi reshaped himself to suit the boy instead so that it could provide him with the strength to keep his body from falling apart with exertion; he was keen to experience the life of something other than Madara. Tobi remained as Obito's bodysuit all the way up until he was able to move and fight without any aid.

At that point, Tobi took on an entirely new form instead of returning to the Statue. He shrunk down into a plain, one-eyed wooden mask using an ability much like how a Wood Clone can transform into a seed. Obito wore that single mask - though not always with the same appearance - for practically the rest of his life. And due to its unique makeup, it can prevent his true face from being seen as long as he wears even by doujutsu.

It became a key part of his disguise when he was hidden as a regular member of Akatsuki, allowing Tobi to speak up in his place with its bizarre personality to keep all suspicion away from him. That was, in fact, the reason Obito chose to call himself Tobi for all those years.

That partnership came to an end at the beginning of the Fourth Great Shinobi War. Tobi's mask form broke against Konan's Paper Person of God, prompting Obito to prepare for his future battles with a specially-designed mask better suited for combat. Tobi itself instead recovered itself, overseeing the growth and deployment of White Zetsu during the war until it entered the battle itself when it took control of Yamato to enhance his own abilities and become a highly dangerous asset to their side of the war.

When the Infinite Tsukuyomi came to an end, Tobi withered away with the God: Nativity of a World of Trees.

 

[thecuiy]

RE: The Naruversity

I mean, doesn't the mask get blown to bits when he fights Konan and that's why he replaced it? I remember hearing somewhere that Tobi was supposed to be like an artificial Shinju but I can't remember exactly where