Naruto The Narutoversity

Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

Hm, I did forget that it got busted against Konan. He still had a decent chunk of it left so who's to sat Tobi couldn't recover from that? I believe Obito only mentioned that his new mask was better suited for war when that came up.

Tobi does have an unusual entry in the databook which I'm trying to allude to here (highlighting the differences between it and Zetsu) without being too exotic.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

I believe the databook said that Tobi was a fruit produced by the Shinju/Gedo Mazou Statue. Just like the one Kaguya ate that gave her godlike power. Except the Shinju/Gedo Mazou Statue hadn't absorbed enough chakra from the earth / was still missing the chakra of the bijuu / was otherwise just a shell of it's former power, so the fruit it grew was incomplete. And for some bizarre reason also sentient and obsessed with human defecation.

Regardless, I really like the idea that Tobi wasn't just Obito's figurative mask, but also his literal one. That's now my headcanon.
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

In light of that, I went back and gave it a rehaul.

Regardless, I really like the idea that Tobi wasn't just Obito's figurative mask, but also his literal one. That's now my headcanon.
Then my work here is done.
 
Body Flicker Jutsu v2

Knyght

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Body Flicker Jutsu v2 (Official Version)

This ninjutsu is an instaneous movement technique that makes the ninja moves faster than the naked eye can see. It's a D-rank ninjutsu which makes it one of the first jutsu a genin will learn after graduating. It supercharges their entire body with chakra to allow them to surpass their top speed for as long as the jutsu is active. The amount of chakra used up depends on the overall distance and elevation between the user and the intended destination.

It sounds like an extreme type of chakra enhancement which is true. But what makes it a ninjutsu rather than a type of chakra control, is that the jutsu is a burst of pure speed which essentially pulls the caster from one point to another. They are not consciously running between the locations, the jutsu is using their body as a vehicle to move them between locations. It's for this reason that someone could start at a standstill and stop at a standstill in a completely different position from what they started in without apparent effort, or even initiate the jutsu while in mid-air when they would have no surface to run over. Because of that, even ninja who aren't predisposed towards fast movement can and do make frequent use of this jutsu.

A secondary feature of the jutsu is that the ninja will often disguise their movement with a distracting sight like the sudden appearance of a burst of smoke, falling leaves or swirling mists. In that moment, the enemy loses sight of the ninja so that they cannot detect which direction they escaped from.

But despite what appears to be a very useful jutsu, it is not without flaws.

The level of speed the jutsu reaches means that it can blind the ninja to their surroundings when they move as their minds cannot keep up with their enhanced body. It would take incredible reflexes and/or a good set of eyes to frequently use this in combat. Using it for too long or too often can cause a painful strain on the body which is being forced to move beyond its normal limits. And as a ninjutsu it usually uses hand-seals, even if it's just the seal of confrontation, so a lower level opponent could potentially predict and counter if used to set up an attack in battle.

Most Famous Users

Unruly A - As renowned as the Raikages of Kumo have always been for their speed, it was the Fourth who surpassed them all. When his lightning chakra armour is raised to his highest level and his body's boosted by the vitalization of a body flicker, he could move like a lightning bolt when he strikes. Even a fully-matured Sharingan would struggle to follow his movements.

Namikaze Minato - He was said to be the fastest man in history. The Flying Thunder God Jutsu may have been the reason he was called the Yellow Flash but he didn't need a space-time jutsu to outrun every other shinobi in the world. The man could move so fast that most couldn't tell when he was jumping through subspace or when he was just running to cut down his enemies. It was all the more incredible that he didn't need any kind of jutsu, unique chakra or Kekkei Genkai to do it.

Uchiha Shisui - Shisui was so renowned for his skill with the Body Flicker Jutsu that he was the only one to have ever been named for it, despite being slower than Minato and A. His sheer skill let him flicker between locations without a single hint of his passing, choose to leave after-images in his wake and seamlessly shift from one Body Flicker to another in an unrelenting dance. He was first known as Shisui of the Mirage as his enemies believed he was hypnotizing him. But when the truth of his fighting style was discovered, he was called Shisui of the Body Flicker as both a sign of respect and a warning.
 
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Land of Woods and the Hidden Grass (Knyght)

Knyght

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This one might be over the top but I've had it in mind for a very long time now.

Land of Woods and the Hidden Grass

The Village Hidden in the Grass exists within the Land of Woods, one of the minor countries that sits between the Land of Fire and the Land of Earth.

Its vulnerable position caused the village to become skilled in diplomacy analyzing the jutsu of foreign countries to protect themselves and better understand their enemies. Turning their enemies against one another, sabotaging war operations and hoarding prized jutsu scrolls has allowed them to survive the wars. They were hit particularly hard from the fierce fighting between Konoha and Iwa and, like many other villages, Kusa spent a long time recovering from heavy losses in manpower and a ruined country after the war ended.

After the Konoha Crush where the Hidden Sand and Hidden Sound failed to destroy the Hidden Leaf, the Third Tsuchikage starting hiring Akatsuki to perform missions in response to Konoha's weakness and Kumo's armament. One particular mission was to bring down the Hidden Grass so that their jutsu knowledge and intelligence on the other villages could be gathered, as well as remove one of Konoha's allies and opening a route between the Land of Earth and Land of Fire should it come to war.

Akatsuki sent Sasori of the Red Sand to do the deed. Weaker then it had ever been before, against the might of an S-rank shinobi armed with hundreds of human puppets and the deadliest of poisons, Kusa fell. And wth the country's military force destroyed, it was soon preyed upon by surrounding nations.

Where Konoha saw the loss of an ally, Danzo saw an opportunity. He used Root to finish what Sasori started by raiding the hidden village for whatever treasures of knowledge and money could be found to help rebuild Konoha's forces and expand his own power. With Konoha having suffering damage from the invasion, this was the chance to expand their clientèle by taking their business into the Land of Woods who would be desperate for protection. It was a boon for the village's coffers and helped it recover that much fast.

Karin, a descendant of the scattered Uzumaki Clan, had sensed Sasori and his puppets with her unparalleled chakra perception escaped from the village out of self-preservation when she realized the attack was coming. She was found in the aftermath by Orochimaru who had learned of the assault beforehand. Upon discovering Karin's sensory skill, he took her under his wing to become a member of Oto where she met Sasuke again.

The Prajna Group, an elite regiment of Kusa's Anbu, were practically the only remnants of the hidden village remaining and vowed vengance against all those who brought destruction upon their home. It was an ambition they never fulfilled.
 
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Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

Unfortunately, there's a couple of canon facts that contradict that interesting theory.

Karin's village was burned when she was a "young girl", but Hidden Grass still existed in Part 1 of the manga because they had six genin participating in the Chuunin Exam hosted in Konoha. Karin was 13 or 14 years old in Part 1, not sure if that's young enough to qualify. Karin was also wearing a Hidden Grass headband and participating as a Hidden Grass genin in that exam, but she doesn't have a ninja registration number or an academy graduation age listed, which makes me think that she was just a spy pretending to be a Grass-nin for Orochimaru and was never actually from that village.

The village also apparently still exists in Shikamaru Hiden which takes place after the Fourth Shinobi World War.

Also according to my databook, when Orochimaru asked Karin how she survived, she answered "I knew a lot of people were approaching." If most of those "people" were actually puppets, would she still have been able to sense them?
 

Knyght

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RE: The Naruversity

I think "young girl" is an open-enough term that it could still qualify for a 13 year old.

Not every village has a ninja registration number system or wouldn't necessarily have an academy (though I'm reaching with that one, I know)

I laugh at the Hiden novels trying to tell me what is and isn't canon.

Human puppets retain their chakra from life so I'm assuming it's still possible to sense them.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

But only the Third Kazekage and Sasori's own body are human puppets. The rest of Sasori's puppets are regular ones.
 
RE: The Naruversity

For whatever is worth, there is no known Mist ninja with a registration number
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

Hidden Mist still has an academy though, so their ninja have graduation ages listed. And Hidden Rain, which doesn't have an academy, does at least register it's ninja. If Hidden Grass doesn't have an academy and doesn't register their ninja, that makes me wonder if they even really qualify as a Hidden Village since they apparently do not have a unified system of training and tracking their ninja. It'd be more like a bunch of allied ninja clans who live together for mutual protection, but who still train their own and keep their own records and chains of command. Do they even have a Kage equivalent leader?

Hmm. For what it's worth, it seems that two Chuunin grass-nin, Midori and Shiba, actually were listed in the first databook. And it doesn't seem to list a registration number or graduation age, but that might just be because it's one of those micro entries and not a proper bio. And I found a raw of the page!

 
RE: The Naruversity

Maybe the registration number in the databooks is the PUBLIC number for clients?
it would explain some
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

So you are saying that they do register their ninja, but it's a private classified system? So the lack of registration numbers in the databooks just means that Hidden Grass and Hidden Mist don't keep publicly available records of their ninja?
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

Altered Nova said:
But only the Third Kazekage and Sasori's own body are human puppets. The rest of Sasori's puppets are regular ones.
On the contrary, Sasori has 298 human puppets.

If Hidden Grass doesn't have an academy and doesn't register their ninja, that makes me wonder if they even really qualify as a Hidden Village since they apparently do not have a unified system of training and tracking their ninja. It'd be more like a bunch of allied ninja clans who live together for mutual protection, but who still train their own and keep their own records and chains of command. Do they even have a Kage equivalent leader?
That actually sounds a lot like the Hidden Grass from Life in Konoha's ANBU made from an alliance of clans and ruled by a council.

Edit: Another thought: Karin not having a registration number doesn't necessarily mean that she never had one with the Hidden Grass. It wouldn't be unusual for her original one not to be counted when she's affiliated with another hidden village.
 
RE: The Naruversity

Altered Nova said:
So you are saying that they do register their ninja, but it's a private classified system? So the lack of registration numbers in the databooks just means that Hidden Grass and Hidden Mist don't keep publicly available records of their ninja?
Basically:
all ninja are registered in the records of their villages.
SOME villages also have a public list, with public registration numbers. This is used as promotional system for clients.

Basically, Faceless Ninja Clerk #3483 who failed his Genin Certification Test twice is hardly ever going to appear in the public lists.

This would explain the discrepancy between Konoha registration numbers and the amount of manpower they put out in the 4th Ninja War


Obviously, this system isn't used by all villages, and every village using something like this(Konoha, Suna, Kumo and Iwa to our knowledge) probably implements it in more or less slight different ways.

The smaller villages like Kusa probably don't use it because they have a too small ninja force to bother with something like this.
Ame might prefer avoid too much public awareness because they are specialized in assassinations and such.
Kiri might not use it possibly because unlike the other villages it's distributed in the archipelago islands, and each island might work as a small village therefore applying the same principle of Kusa
That actually sounds a lot like the Hidden Grass from Life in Konoha's ANBU made from an alliance of clans and ruled by a council.
Curious enough, this is how Suna is described in Gaara Hiden
 
RE: The Naruversity

A little thing I wrote on 4chan about the Hokages... feel free to buil

Hashirama was the most powerful but very specialized
Tobirama was the jutsu maker, with no comprehension of the idea of "consequences"
Minato was a young super-genius who easily mastered and improved any jutsu he got his hands on, but died too young to fulfil his potential. Also, he was much faster of any of the other.
Tsunade was a stop-gap to avoid Danzou getting the position, as Kakashi and Jiraiya were more useful on the field. She did see herself as a stop-gap until Naruto finished growing up. I suspect she revamped the healthcare system, though.
Kakashi was a stop-gap until Naruto finished growing up and never even tried to hide it. Probably kept postponing Naruto's getting the hat to give him more time with his family.

But Sarutobi was the PROFESSOR who, without any kind of special blood, mastered all elements and did know all jutsu in Konoha, as well as managed to survive until old age and build on what his predecessors made. And one of the competitor Kage was Oonoki, a guy capable to fly and annihilate an island like it was nothing. And another was able to fight hand-to-hand with Eight Tails.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

knight504 said:
Altered Nova said:
But only the Third Kazekage and Sasori's own body are human puppets. The rest of Sasori's puppets are regular ones.
On the contrary, Sasori has 298 human puppets.
Huh, well I will admit when I've been proven wrong.

But wait, does that mean that all of the puppets he summoned for "Red Secret Technique: Performance of a Hundred Puppets" were actually human puppets? Why don't any of them use ninjutsu then? That's literally the only advantage a human puppet has over a regular one. Seems like a huge waste of time to craft hundreds of human puppets and then underutilize them all like that.



Oh, that puppet being sliced in half vertically seems to have a ribcage and a core where it's heart would be. I guess that proves they are all human puppets after all.

knight504 said:
Edit: Another thought: Karin not having a registration number doesn't necessarily mean that she never had one with the Hidden Grass. It wouldn't be unusual for her original one not to be counted when she's affiliated with another hidden village.
That's a good point. And it looks like Otogakure doesn't have an academy or ninja registration numbers either for that matter. That's not really surprising though since the village seems to just be a front for all of Orochimaru's hidden laboratories, and all of his non-experiment ninja are so pathetic that I suspect they are just barely trained civilians he drafted into service so he could have a quick invasion army (seriously Sasuke defeated a thousand of them without killing any of them or even breaking a sweat, no way they were even at genin level).

Alright, looks like all my objections to your theory have been addressed. Carry on good sir!

ankokudaishogun said:
Basically:
all ninja are registered in the records of their villages.
SOME villages also have a public list, with public registration numbers. This is used as promotional system for clients.

Basically, Faceless Ninja Clerk #3483 who failed his Genin Certification Test twice is hardly ever going to appear in the public lists.

This would explain the discrepancy between Konoha registration numbers and the amount of manpower they put out in the 4th Ninja War
You are right, that would explain how Naruto is Konoha ninja number 12607 yet Konoha is able to field over 10,000 ninja in the Fourth Ninja World War despite apparently leaving all the genin behind. He's not actually the 12,607th ninja to ever graduate, he's the 12,607th ninja to prove himself good enough that clients might actually care to know who he is and thus worthy to be added to be public registration books.

Probably anybody who passes their jounin sensei's test automatically gets a public registration number, but any genin who get sent back to the academy for retraining and reassignment has to complete so many missions or earn a promotion to get the same honor.
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

Altered Nova said:
Alright, looks like all my objections to your theory have been addressed. Carry on good sir!
And I even had another counter point lined up when I realised that Suigetsu isn't listed with a graduation age either even though he's been around as long as Karin and we've know that he was a prodiguous ninja from Kiri. Guess I'll have to take my victory and go. ^_^


Backtracking a bit, after all that work on Juugo's Clan, the Cursed Seal and the Power of White Snake I only just remembered something that's probably relevant to all of them.

Ryuuchi Cave has a White Snake Sage who teaches senjutsu by biting the subject and injecting them with natural energy which they may or may not survive.

But I'm actually not sure what to do with that information. Is it even worth trying to include it or would it make little difference? And I wonder what that meant for Orochimaru then since he apparently survived the process but still wasn't strong enough for senjutsu. :hmm:
 

thecuiy

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RE: The Naruversity

he survived getting the injection and having natural energy introduced into his body but couldn't balance it with his chakra/his body couldn't handle senjutsu? Maybe his snake transformation is a more extreme version of the minor transformation jiraiya underwent whenever he used sage mode.
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

Orochimaru probably learned senjutsu with his original body which was strong enough for senjutsu. But then he swapped bodies with Living Corpse Reincarnation only to discover that his new body could not maintain Sage Mode, and he's been searching for a new host body that can handle senjutsu ever since. He even developed the curse seal to weed out the weaklings for him and the Mind Awakening Pill which can prepare the body to handle Sage Mode in a matter of hours.

It can't be a coincidence that the Ryuuchi Cave is ruled by the White Snake Sage who injects nature into people by biting them, and that Orochimaru has many snaked themed body modifications referred to as The Power of the White Snake and he also applies the curse seal to people by biting them. Maybe Orochimaru used genetic material from the White Snake Sage to modify his own body?
 
RE: The Naruversity

But wait, does that mean that all of the puppets he summoned for "Red Secret Technique: Performance of a Hundred Puppets" were actually human puppets? Why don't any of them use ninjutsu then? That's literally the only advantage a human puppet has over a regular one. Seems like a huge waste of time to craft hundreds of human puppets and then underutilize them all like that.
I'm guessing most if not all of them were able to use ninjutsu... but using 298 puppets is hard enough, having them to use ninjutsu would be TOO hard even for Sasori.
 

Knyght

The Collector
RE: The Naruversity

Well, it'd just be a hundred but that sounds about right.

Altered Nova said:
Orochimaru probably learned senjutsu with his original body which was strong enough for senjutsu. But then he swapped bodies with Living Corpse Reincarnation only to discover that his new body could not maintain Sage Mode, and he's been searching for a new host body that can handle senjutsu ever since. He even developed the curse seal to weed out the weaklings for him and the Mind Awakening Pill which can prepare the body to handle Sage Mode in a matter of hours.

It can't be a coincidence that the Ryuuchi Cave is ruled by the White Snake Sage who injects nature into people by biting them, and that Orochimaru has many snaked themed body modifications referred to as The Power of the White Snake and he also applies the curse seal to people by biting them. Maybe Orochimaru used genetic material from the White Snake Sage to modify his own body?
Maybe it's even simpler and being bitten influenced Orochimaru's body when he transformed himself so that's actually part of the reason he became the White Snake.

Considering the symbolism of white snakes and rebirth, perhaps the White Snake Sage actually possesses a type of reincarnation jutsu itself. It could have lived for centuries through rebirth and was a direct inspiration for Orochimaru's own jutsu. So the rest of the reason Orochimaru became the White Snake is because he was emulating the original in his pursuit of immortality.
 
Wood Release (Knyght)

Knyght

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Trying to pin down what makes Wood Release so special here.

Wood Release (Official Version)

Wood Release is an advanced element that transforms chakra into the source of life to grow trees, wood and all kinds of plant life through the union of earth and water chakra. A desert could be turned into a forest with this power. It is a jutsu style capable of both tremendous offence and defence, possessing the durability of Earth Release, the versatility of Water Release and the sheer diversity of nature itself.

Its wood and plants can be produced over huge ranges and from any surface including the wielder's own body. Whereas substances created by chakra hold a short life, the constructs grown with this power are permanent, remaining alive for years even after their creator's death. The wood doesn't even have to appear as natural plants and can be grown into specific constructs like building, bridges and statues which is how Konohagakure was built in the first place.

And unlike any other nature transformation, it has the intrinsic ability to suppress and absorb chakra which makes ideal for restraining almost any opponent. More than that, it is specially attuned to the chakra of the Tailed Beasts making it one of the few abilities capable of controlling them.

The fundamentals of Wood Release are no different than any other advanced element yet this is far more powerful and far more unique than any other.

This is because it is derived from the original source of all chakra, the God Tree. The Rabbit Goddess and the Sage of Six Paths wielded this style of jutsu along with many others when they embodied the power of the God Tree. Many of their descendants had the genetic potential for Wood Release but only Senju Hashirama possessed the requirements to awaken the ability. He was able to awaken it because he was born with unnaturally powerful and massive physical energy and vitality, so much so that he possessed a healing power akin to regeneration that could heal most of the injuries he suffered. Creating life is the domain of yang chakra and Hashirama unknowingly combines that with his earth and water nature chakra to create plant life.

All those who followed him never awakened the advanced element themselves and instead only attained it using the cells and chakra of the First Hokage. And so they could only ever achieve of bastardization of his Wood Release, unable to achieve the same level of power as the original. Despite that, its such a coveted ability that they will likely always be those who would do anything to gain that power.

In fact, every Wood Release jutsu in existence is one that has been created by Hashirama. While his younger brother is well known for developing several advanced jutsu, it is often forgotten that Hashirama essentially invented an entire style of jutsu single-handedly since, as the first to ever awaken this Kekkei Genkai, there were no scrolls, teachers or even stories for him to learn from. Every intricacy of Wood Release is one that he alone discovered and every jutsu is one that he devised and tested in battle himself.
 
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NMR-3

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RE: The Naruversity

knight504 said:
Trying to pin down what makes Wood Release so special here.

Wood Release

Wood Release is an advanced element that transforms chakra into the source of life to grow trees, wood and all kinds of plant life through the simultaneous creation of earth and water chakra. It's a jutsu style capable of both tremendous offence and defence, possessing the durability of Earth Release and the versatility of Water Release as well as the diverse nature of plant life itself.

Its wood and plants can be produced from any surface including the wielder's own body. A desert could be turned into a forest with this power. They didn't even have to appear as natural plants and can be grown into specific constructs like building, bridges and statues which is how Konohagakure was built in the first place. And unlike any other nature transformation, it has the ability to suppress and absorb chakra which makes ideal for restraining almost any opponent.

The fundamentals of Wood Release are no different than any other advanced element yet this is far more powerful and far more unique than any other. This is because the ability to create life in this way is the domain of Yang Release. The act of mixing together earth and water chakra simultaneously generates yang chakra, generating life in a way that it impossible for any other nature transformation. In truth, Wood Release is something closer to a Kekkei Tota than a Kekkei Genkai.

The result of this was that Hashirama's lifeforce was truly immense. He had no need for medical ninjutsu since the life granting properties of his jutsu were capable of regenerating his injuries - ones that didn't even a loss of limb or organs at least - without a single hand-seal.

Wood Release is derived from the original source of all chakra, the God Tree. Only the Rabbit Goddess and the Sage of Six Paths ever wielded this style of jutsu when they embodied the power of the God Tree but none of their descendants ever awakened it until Senju Hashirama, the man who would become the First Hokage. And as a derivative of the God Tree, Wood Release holds a unique connection with the Tailed Beasts which allows even their immense power to be restrained by its and enabled Hashirama to defeat the beasts single-handedly in combat.

Why he awakened this power when no-one else ever did is an eternal mystery. Some say it was just a genetic mutation that he was incredibly lucky to be born with, while others says that the potential exists within many of that bloodline and he was just the only one to meet the requirement of its awakening. A few even believe that this power appeared for the sole purpose of ending the Warring States Era, much like the tales of the Rinnegan.
The connection you've made to yang release is interesting.
What would be the combined element that would be the most connected to yin release?
 

Altered Nova

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RE: The Naruversity

Another way that Wood Release is special is that it's permanent. Kisame ('s weird clone) can spit up a large lake of water, but it quickly evaporated once Gai defeated him. The same is true for pretty much all other chakra created physical materials. But all the trees Hashirama grew stayed there forever, even after he died.

I think you kind of touched on that with the paragraph about using Yang Release to create life, but maybe it might be worth stating more explicitly.

Do you think Wood Release has any kind of special relationship with nature energy? Hashirama was the third best sage in the series after Naruto and the Sage of Six Paths. Or do you think that was a skill he learned entirely separately from his wood release?
 

douter

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RE: The Naruversity

Altered Nova said:
Another way that Wood Release is special is that it's permanent. Kisame ('s weird clone) can spit up a large lake of water, but it quickly evaporated once Gai defeated him. The same is true for pretty much all other chakra created physical materials. But all the trees Hashirama grew stayed there forever, even after he died.

I think you kind of touched on that with the paragraph about using Yang Release to create life, but maybe it might be worth stating more explicitly.

Do you think Wood Release has any kind of special relationship with nature energy? Hashirama was the third best sage in the series after Naruto and the Sage of Six Paths. Or do you think that was a skill he learned entirely separately from his wood release?
I always assumed that the reason his Wood Release was so much more amazing then any other characters, was cause he embedded it with natural energy, as he himself was part of nature itself. Some sort hybrid between man and nature
 
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