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ksho

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I'm reminded of an on WHAT IF? story I read once involving the Secret Wars storyline. The premise of the story was what if the heroes had been stranded for years on Battleworld and never found a way back to earth.

Anyway, in that story Spider-Man's black suit (Venom) never seperated from him. And over the course of just a few years.....accelerates Peter's aging to the point that he became a living skeleton and had to be totally reliant on the suit to survive.

Just goes to show how Yandere Venom really is towards Peter. :rolleyes:
 
ksho said:
I'm reminded of an on WHAT IF? story I read once involving the Secret Wars storyline. The premise of the story was what if the heroes had been stranded for years on Battleworld and never found a way back to earth.

Anyway, in that story Spider-Man's black suit (Venom) never seperated from him. And over the course of just a few years.....accelerates Peter's aging to the point that he became a living skeleton and had to be totally reliant on the suit to survive.

Just goes to show how Yandere Venom really is towards Peter. :rolleyes:
To be fair, the Venom suit is serious about keeping Pete safe. As shown in that What If, it'll force him to retreat if he's in any sort of danger.
 

ksho

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GenocideHeart said:
ksho said:
I'm reminded of an on WHAT IF? story I read once involving the Secret Wars storyline. The premise of the story was what if the heroes had been stranded for years on Battleworld and never found a way back to earth.

Anyway, in that story Spider-Man's black suit (Venom) never seperated from him. And over the course of just a few years.....accelerates Peter's aging to the point that he became a living skeleton and had to be totally reliant on the suit to survive.

Just goes to show how Yandere Venom really is towards Peter. :rolleyes:
To be fair, the Venom suit is serious about keeping Pete safe. As shown in that What If, it'll force him to retreat if he's in any sort of danger.
Oh, no doubt.....but the point is that the suit is Yandere :crazy: for Peter, so much so that it deliberately turned him into skeletal spidey just so that Peter had no other choice but to stay with it. (none of it's other hosts over the years have warranted its affection so much as Peter that it'd go that far)

That's some jilted black goo is all I'll say....



 

TC_Hazard

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You know what they say, you never forget the first love.

Kind of like in that What If? The Other (or something like that), where the symbiotic kind of ressurects dead Peter and permanently bonds with him.
 

Ordo

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ksho said:
Well...screwattack finally uploaded Goku vs Superman on YouTube:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Goku Vs Superman</a>

For those of you with slow internet speeds, go watch it now!
I'm glad they did the calculations for Goku's strength. Yes he's beast in a fight but nothing beyond tha man of Steel's abilities.
 

mario_zx

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ksho said:
Well...screwattack finally uploaded Goku vs Superman on YouTube:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Goku Vs Superman</a>

For those of you with slow internet speeds, go watch it now!
Nice fight I'm kinda sad about Goku losing but well at least he managed to give people an enjoyable fight to someone who is basically a God.
 

TC_Hazard

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Ordo said:
ksho said:
Well...screwattack finally uploaded Goku vs Superman on YouTube:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Goku Vs Superman</a>

For those of you with slow internet speeds, go watch it now!
I'm glad they did the calculations for Goku's strength.
Eh, I'll admit I haven't watched the video, but from what I hear didn't they use the 40 ton feat as a base for that?

The only more hilariously wrong feat I can think of along the same lines is Flash's 'almost the speed of light' city rescue.

Writers should only use numbers when they are good with them.
 

shinzero01

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Deathwings said:
shinzero01 said:
The symbiote probably wouldn't feel good about Doc Ock though. Particularly since it knows Otto and was all tsundere for Peter.
Nononono, Venom isn't Tsundere for Peter, it's Yandere, there's a world of difference here.

Tsundere can be summed up as "A likes B but is determined to deny it, mostly by being a complete bitch/jerk to B".

Yandere is more "A openly WORSHIP B but if A can't have B (for whatever reason), then NOBODY WILL ! *insert psychotic laughter here*".

Now tell me, which one sound more like Venom ?
Actually, I'd say both.
The thing seems bipolar.

Edit: Hell, if you want to use What If? issues for evidence... How about when it made a beeline to a dead Peter, resurrected him as some sort of ghoulish thing, then was implied to have done the same to Gwen Stacy after MJ rejected it. I'm think that was also a case where it indirectly killed the person who was wearing it prior to Peter's death by bailing on him mid web swing.
 
TC_Hazard said:
Ordo said:
ksho said:
Well...screwattack finally uploaded Goku vs Superman on YouTube:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Goku Vs Superman</a>

For those of you with slow internet speeds, go watch it now!
I'm glad they did the calculations for Goku's strength.
Eh, I'll admit I haven't watched the video, but from what I hear didn't they use the 40 ton feat as a base for that?

The only more hilariously wrong feat I can think of along the same lines is Flash's 'almost the speed of light' city rescue.

Writers should only use numbers when they are good with them.
They used the 40 ton feat as a base for BASE GOKU's abilities. Then they scaled every other ability off that. And... it makes sense. Past that point, Goku doesn't really improve much in power, as the focus shifted to Gohan and, to a lesser extent, Vegeta and Trunks.

In fact, Goku remains pretty damn static in his untransformed abilities past Namek, and it's implied he's reached his limit, whereas Gohan could exceed that.

There's also GT, but GT makes no sense, as an age-regressed Goku somehow retains all his body conditioning, even though he was actually regressed to his kid form, which should've also regressed his body's state, ie made him far weaker. The only thing that vid really did take from GT was the whole 'Using the Dragon Balls too much is bad' part, which was implied even before GT.

(and honestly, if you're going to object on the whole '40 tons is stupid' thing and only take peak feats for Goku, then Superman gets his 'destroy a solar system with a sneeze and reignite a dead star by staring at it really hard' feats, and do we really need to go over why that version of Supes stomps a mudhole in Goku's ass and walks it dry? And it's not even the most broken, as sad as that sounds. Never try to beat Superman at being a massively overpowered boy scout.)
 

nixofcyzerra

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Ordo said:
ksho said:
Well...screwattack finally uploaded Goku vs Superman on YouTube:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Goku Vs Superman</a>

For those of you with slow internet speeds, go watch it now!
I'm glad they did the calculations for Goku's strength. Yes he's beast in a fight but nothing beyond tha man of Steel's abilities.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I personally thought that a few of the calculations they did were somewhat off base.

To calculate Goku's strength, speed and durability, they used their "Gravity Formula," based on the assumption that Base form Goku at the time of the Buu Saga was capable of barely lifting 40 tons. They use this formula to scale up Goku's speed and durability. However, the Daiz mentions that it was the combination of the flight technique and the 40 tons that Goku found difficult. They also assume that this event took place under normal gravity. Seeing as Goku can obviously handle multiple G's, and North Kai actually lived on a planet with 10x Earth's gravity, it's perfectly possible that the area that Goku was training in had higher than Earth gravity.

This is, of course, ignoring the fact that the scene in question was comedic in nature (shocking the other Kai in the scene) and that Goku has hit and damaged beings who have endured planet-busting Ki attacks. Goku's punching strength is far greater than his lifting strength. In fact, if interviews were canonical, then Goku would have a major advantage, as according to an interview with Akira Toriyama about Dragon Ball Online, Goku and Vegeta's final battle involved them striking with the force of Supernovas. That's physical blows.


I'm also somewhat dissatisfied by some of their calculations for Superman as well. While the Deathbattle was supposed to be between Goku and Superman of all continuities, with the exception of pre-crisis Superman, at least one of the statistics they used for Supe's strength was from the "All-Star Superman" continuity (the 200 quintillion tons) and the Superman of that series was a LOT more powerful, and has been linked to Silver Age/Pre Crisis Supes. However, apparently new 52 Superman has displayed even more outrageous feats so I can't really argue.

I also found their decision to base their calculations and predictions entirely on personal feats was a little questionable. For example, Perfect Cell stated that the Kamehameha he was going to use to kill Super Saiyan 2 Gohan was capable of destroying the entire Solar System. Is it really illogical to assume that the Goku in later sagas is technically capable of achieving such feats, even if he never would? Hell, they gave Superman the Flash's infinite mass punch.

Oh, and Goku stopped using the Power Pole towards the end of Dragonball (without the "Z,") and Goku displayed the ability to sense Superman's power at the start of the video, and yet lost track of him during the fight.

I liked Supes use of x-ray vision and pressure points, though. I don't think Goku ever actually faced an opponent who used them. General Blue?
 

Seed00

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ksho said:
I'm reminded of an on WHAT IF? story I read once involving the Secret Wars storyline. The premise of the story was what if the heroes had been stranded for years on Battleworld and never found a way back to earth.

Anyway, in that story Spider-Man's black suit (Venom) never seperated from him. And over the course of just a few years.....accelerates Peter's aging to the point that he became a living skeleton and had to be totally reliant on the suit to survive.

Just goes to show how Yandere Venom really is towards Peter. :rolleyes:
The symbiote also went after the best source of adrenaline. Hulk, then Thor, went after Black Bolt who hit it with a sonic scream. What pissed me off about that issue was Doc Strange's insistence to banish it to another dimension. Black Cat just shows up and kills in revenge for Peter.
 

TC_Hazard

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GenocideHeart said:
TC_Hazard said:
Ordo said:
ksho said:
Well...screwattack finally uploaded Goku vs Superman on YouTube:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Goku Vs Superman</a>

For those of you with slow internet speeds, go watch it now!
I'm glad they did the calculations for Goku's strength.
Eh, I'll admit I haven't watched the video, but from what I hear didn't they use the 40 ton feat as a base for that?

The only more hilariously wrong feat I can think of along the same lines is Flash's 'almost the speed of light' city rescue.

Writers should only use numbers when they are good with them.
They used the 40 ton feat as a base for BASE GOKU's abilities. Then they scaled every other ability off that. And... it makes sense. Past that point, Goku doesn't really improve much in power, as the focus shifted to Gohan and, to a lesser extent, Vegeta and Trunks.

In fact, Goku remains pretty damn static in his untransformed abilities past Namek, and it's implied he's reached his limit, whereas Gohan could exceed that.

There's also GT, but GT makes no sense, as an age-regressed Goku somehow retains all his body conditioning, even though he was actually regressed to his kid form, which should've also regressed his body's state, ie made him far weaker. The only thing that vid really did take from GT was the whole 'Using the Dragon Balls too much is bad' part, which was implied even before GT.

(and honestly, if you're going to object on the whole '40 tons is stupid' thing and only take peak feats for Goku, then Superman gets his 'destroy a solar system with a sneeze and reignite a dead star by staring at it really hard' feats, and do we really need to go over why that version of Supes stomps a mudhole in Goku's ass and walks it dry? And it's not even the most broken, as sad as that sounds. Never try to beat Superman at being a massively overpowered boy scout.)
Eh, not arguing Goku vs Superman.

Just saying using the 40 tons to base anything on DBZ is pretty silly.

Goku has feats exceeding 40 tons all over DB. Not Z. Just regular DB. Z has even crazier stuff and this is just talking Base Goku.
 

Vexarian

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TC_Hazard said:
GenocideHeart said:
TC_Hazard said:
Ordo said:
ksho said:
Well...screwattack finally uploaded Goku vs Superman on YouTube:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Goku Vs Superman</a>

For those of you with slow internet speeds, go watch it now!
I'm glad they did the calculations for Goku's strength.
Eh, I'll admit I haven't watched the video, but from what I hear didn't they use the 40 ton feat as a base for that?

The only more hilariously wrong feat I can think of along the same lines is Flash's 'almost the speed of light' city rescue.

Writers should only use numbers when they are good with them.
They used the 40 ton feat as a base for BASE GOKU's abilities. Then they scaled every other ability off that. And... it makes sense. Past that point, Goku doesn't really improve much in power, as the focus shifted to Gohan and, to a lesser extent, Vegeta and Trunks.

In fact, Goku remains pretty damn static in his untransformed abilities past Namek, and it's implied he's reached his limit, whereas Gohan could exceed that.

There's also GT, but GT makes no sense, as an age-regressed Goku somehow retains all his body conditioning, even though he was actually regressed to his kid form, which should've also regressed his body's state, ie made him far weaker. The only thing that vid really did take from GT was the whole 'Using the Dragon Balls too much is bad' part, which was implied even before GT.

(and honestly, if you're going to object on the whole '40 tons is stupid' thing and only take peak feats for Goku, then Superman gets his 'destroy a solar system with a sneeze and reignite a dead star by staring at it really hard' feats, and do we really need to go over why that version of Supes stomps a mudhole in Goku's ass and walks it dry? And it's not even the most broken, as sad as that sounds. Never try to beat Superman at being a massively overpowered boy scout.)
Eh, not arguing Goku vs Superman.

Just saying using the 40 tons to base anything on DBZ is pretty silly.

Goku has feats exceeding 40 tons all over DB. Not Z. Just regular DB. Z has even crazier stuff and this is just talking Base Goku.
40 Tons might be about right for when Goku was on King Kai's planet. But that's really early in the Dragonball Z timeline. Even just immediately after, on the way to Namek he naturalizes to 100x Earth's Gravity. That can't be explained simply by "He got better at the Kaioken" either.

That being said, Superman is just completely fucking broken, apparently.
 

shinzero01

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Considering that Superman has been handled by so many different authors and his powers have changed just about every time, it is kinda hard to even consider this a fair fight.

Its not nearly as bad as Batman vs Spiderman could be if you consider how both of them have had at least a dozent different costumes and strength levels over the years.
 

TC_Hazard

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Vexarian said:
TC_Hazard said:
GenocideHeart said:
TC_Hazard said:
Ordo said:
ksho said:
Well...screwattack finally uploaded Goku vs Superman on YouTube:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Goku Vs Superman</a>

For those of you with slow internet speeds, go watch it now!
I'm glad they did the calculations for Goku's strength.
Eh, I'll admit I haven't watched the video, but from what I hear didn't they use the 40 ton feat as a base for that?

The only more hilariously wrong feat I can think of along the same lines is Flash's 'almost the speed of light' city rescue.

Writers should only use numbers when they are good with them.
They used the 40 ton feat as a base for BASE GOKU's abilities. Then they scaled every other ability off that. And... it makes sense. Past that point, Goku doesn't really improve much in power, as the focus shifted to Gohan and, to a lesser extent, Vegeta and Trunks.

In fact, Goku remains pretty damn static in his untransformed abilities past Namek, and it's implied he's reached his limit, whereas Gohan could exceed that.

There's also GT, but GT makes no sense, as an age-regressed Goku somehow retains all his body conditioning, even though he was actually regressed to his kid form, which should've also regressed his body's state, ie made him far weaker. The only thing that vid really did take from GT was the whole 'Using the Dragon Balls too much is bad' part, which was implied even before GT.

(and honestly, if you're going to object on the whole '40 tons is stupid' thing and only take peak feats for Goku, then Superman gets his 'destroy a solar system with a sneeze and reignite a dead star by staring at it really hard' feats, and do we really need to go over why that version of Supes stomps a mudhole in Goku's ass and walks it dry? And it's not even the most broken, as sad as that sounds. Never try to beat Superman at being a massively overpowered boy scout.)
Eh, not arguing Goku vs Superman.

Just saying using the 40 tons to base anything on DBZ is pretty silly.

Goku has feats exceeding 40 tons all over DB. Not Z. Just regular DB. Z has even crazier stuff and this is just talking Base Goku.
40 Tons might be about right for when Goku was on King Kai's planet. But that's really early in the Dragonball Z timeline. Even just immediately after, on the way to Namek he naturalizes to 100x Earth's Gravity. That can't be explained simply by "He got better at the Kaioken" either.

That being said, Superman is just completely fucking broken, apparently.
Dude, Post Roshi Goku moves boulders the size of small houses, and Tao Pai Pai throws stuff to other countries.

40 tons is hilariously low end.

That said, yes Superman is hilariously overpowered. I said as much in the Death Match thread in the General Fanfiction section. Some of the crap writers make him do is just hilarious.
 

Lord Raine

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So, I finally got around to reading the Onslaught set, because I hadn't ever gotten around to it and a local library has a pretty good selection of comics.

What the fuck did I just read.

No really. What the fuck.

Logan is a cave man, and can't stop crying that he's not a man anymore? There's a magic aborigine on the roof of Xavier Academy?

What the flaming flamingo. I know comics can get all over the place, especially if you don't read much into the buildup that leads into an event, but this is the first event I've read that reads more like a fever dream of the Twilight Zone than a comic.

What the shit.

Cosgrove said:
IIRC, it was actually Bulma's fault. Normally it takes years to gather all seven dragonballs. However, with the Dragon Radar it made it easy to find all seven which mean the wishes were used more often then they should have been which caused... whatever it was.

Or something.

Didn't really watch GT.
Wishes are possible because they channel the 'overflow' of positive emotions and feelings in part of the universe (the unspoken implication being that there are other methods of making wishes in the universe elsewhere). This overflow builds up naturally over time, and can be a bad thing, but the wishing mechanism allows it to be 'vented' in the form of wishes.

Yin-Yang. Too much good is bad. Too much bad is bad. There needs to be a balance.

That balance was disrupted with the creation of the Dragon Radar. The Dragon Balls divide after every wish to prevent wishes from being made in rapid succession. It would typically take at least a hundred years to assemble them all again, which is more than enough time for the positive energy of the galaxy to start overflowing again. However, with the Dragon Radar, what used to take hundreds of years, can now be shortened to hundreds of days, and after the Z Fighters start powering up and becoming universally capable of supersonic flight, hundreds of hours.

This meant that more wishes were made in the span of a few decades than should have been made in a few thousand years. This drained the majority of the positive energy out of the universe, which created a severe imbalance in favor of negative energy, which ultimately resulted in this:



Honestly, I'm not opposed to the overall concept of GT, in that making loads of wishes is bad because wishfuel exists. That would have been a great plot for the setting, and would have been the logical conclusion of the series, as it ties everything else together.

It's more like absolutely everything else 'in' GT was pure shit. Like, all of it. Seriously. It was terrible.

In fact, Goku remains pretty damn static in his untransformed abilities past Namek, and it's implied he's reached his limit, whereas Gohan could exceed that.
Gohan had his limits removed by Guru on Namek. If Goku had also underwent that process, he too could have likely progressed indefinitely.
 

TC_Hazard

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shinzero01 said:
Considering that Superman has been handled by so many different authors and his powers have changed just about every time, it is kinda hard to even consider this a fair fight.

Its not nearly as bad as Batman vs Spiderman could be if you consider how both of them have had at least a dozent different costumes and strength levels over the years.
Batman is one of more of the more stable characters as far as stats go actually. Because he's supposed to be just human. Sure he does stuff that breaks plenty of world records daily, but he is relatively stable.

Just try to ignore all the Bat-God stuff really, really hard and he makes kind of sense.

Spider-Man varies a little more, but nothing too big (with some exceptions)

On the other hand, Superman is as powerful as the plot needs him to be.
 

shinzero01

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TC_Hazard said:
shinzero01 said:
Considering that Superman has been handled by so many different authors and his powers have changed just about every time, it is kinda hard to even consider this a fair fight.

Its not nearly as bad as Batman vs Spiderman could be if you consider how both of them have had at least a dozent different costumes and strength levels over the years.
Batman is one of more of the more stable characters as far as stats go actually. Because he's supposed to be just human. Sure he does stuff that breaks plenty of world records daily, but he is relatively stable.

Just try to ignore all the Bat-God stuff really, really hard and he makes kind of sense.

Spider-Man varies a little more, but nothing too big (with some exceptions)

On the other hand, Superman is as powerful as the plot needs him to be.
For a while, Batman's outfit was essentially power armor. That isn't even counting Azrael's time as Batman.


Actually... the current Otto-spidey seems like Azrael's tenure as Batman.
 

ksho

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Vexarian said:
TC_Hazard said:
GenocideHeart said:
TC_Hazard said:
Ordo said:
ksho said:
Well...screwattack finally uploaded Goku vs Superman on YouTube:
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Goku Vs Superman</a>

For those of you with slow internet speeds, go watch it now!
I'm glad they did the calculations for Goku's strength.
Eh, I'll admit I haven't watched the video, but from what I hear didn't they use the 40 ton feat as a base for that?

The only more hilariously wrong feat I can think of along the same lines is Flash's 'almost the speed of light' city rescue.

Writers should only use numbers when they are good with them.
They used the 40 ton feat as a base for BASE GOKU's abilities. Then they scaled every other ability off that. And... it makes sense. Past that point, Goku doesn't really improve much in power, as the focus shifted to Gohan and, to a lesser extent, Vegeta and Trunks.

In fact, Goku remains pretty damn static in his untransformed abilities past Namek, and it's implied he's reached his limit, whereas Gohan could exceed that.

There's also GT, but GT makes no sense, as an age-regressed Goku somehow retains all his body conditioning, even though he was actually regressed to his kid form, which should've also regressed his body's state, ie made him far weaker. The only thing that vid really did take from GT was the whole 'Using the Dragon Balls too much is bad' part, which was implied even before GT.

(and honestly, if you're going to object on the whole '40 tons is stupid' thing and only take peak feats for Goku, then Superman gets his 'destroy a solar system with a sneeze and reignite a dead star by staring at it really hard' feats, and do we really need to go over why that version of Supes stomps a mudhole in Goku's ass and walks it dry? And it's not even the most broken, as sad as that sounds. Never try to beat Superman at being a massively overpowered boy scout.)
Eh, not arguing Goku vs Superman.

Just saying using the 40 tons to base anything on DBZ is pretty silly.

Goku has feats exceeding 40 tons all over DB. Not Z. Just regular DB. Z has even crazier stuff and this is just talking Base Goku.
40 Tons might be about right for when Goku was on King Kai's planet. But that's really early in the Dragonball Z timeline. Even just immediately after, on the way to Namek he naturalizes to 100x Earth's Gravity. That can't be explained simply by "He got better at the Kaioken" either.

That being said, Superman is just completely fucking broken, apparently.

The 40 Tons feat was actually taken from right before the beginning of the Buu saga. (a month give or take) when Goku was training to prepare for the budoukai in the afterlife:
<a href='http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c008/9.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c008/9.html</a>
<a href='http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c008/10.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c008/10.html</a>

A little after that, it was also shown that Vegeta & Kid Trunks had to maintain their SS1 forms in order to train in 100x artificial gravity.
<a href='http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c009/2.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c009/2.html</a>
 

TC_Hazard

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Ah, the 40 ton feat.

I love Dragon Ball and all, but Toriyama really sucked with weight.


shinzero01 said:
TC_Hazard said:
shinzero01 said:
Considering that Superman has been handled by so many different authors and his powers have changed just about every time, it is kinda hard to even consider this a fair fight.

Its not nearly as bad as Batman vs Spiderman could be if you consider how both of them have had at least a dozent different costumes and strength levels over the years.
Batman is one of more of the more stable characters as far as stats go actually. Because he's supposed to be just human. Sure he does stuff that breaks plenty of world records daily, but he is relatively stable.

Just try to ignore all the Bat-God stuff really, really hard and he makes kind of sense.

Spider-Man varies a little more, but nothing too big (with some exceptions)

On the other hand, Superman is as powerful as the plot needs him to be.
For a while, Batman's outfit was essentially power armor. That isn't even counting Azrael's time as Batman.


Actually... the current Otto-spidey seems like Azrael's tenure as Batman.
And yet he is still one of the more stable characters power set wise.

On that note, his outfit should always be a power armor.

It makes him look really stupid that it isn't.
 

Ordo

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Superman, at least one of the statistics they used for Supe's strength was from the "All-Star Superman" continuity (the 200 quintillion tons)
Superman's strength was stated to be 6.6 Quintillion tons, but they admitted that since he's solar powered it could likely be higher which is where the clip fromAll Star Superman comes in. However when doing the final analysis they use the 6.6 number and not the 200.

This comparison works out, (IMHO) becuase both character are trying to fly when this occurs (Goku rising straight up, and Superman pulling a planet out of orbit).
 

goldenarms

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Ordo said:
Superman, at least one of the statistics they used for Supe's strength was from the "All-Star Superman" continuity (the 200 quintillion tons)
Superman's strength was stated to be 6.6 Quintillion tons, but they admitted that since he's solar powered it could likely be higher which is where the clip fromAll Star Superman comes in. However when doing the final analysis they use the 6.6 number and not the 200.

This comparison works out, (IMHO) becuase both character are trying to fly when this occurs (Goku rising straight up, and Superman pulling a planet out of orbit).
You would think there would be an upper limit for Superman. Because being thrown into the heart of the sun thing just makes him sound too silly to exist. At that point, you have to ask, "And why is it you you have even the faintest possibility to lose at anything?"
 

ragnarok1337

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They stated it best in the summary at the end of the video. "In short, Superman is as strong as he needs to be." Like it or not, that pretty much sums up Superman.
 

Vexarian

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Lord Raine said:
In fact, Goku remains pretty damn static in his untransformed abilities past Namek, and it's implied he's reached his limit, whereas Gohan could exceed that.
Gohan had his limits removed by Guru on Namek. If Goku had also underwent that process, he too could have likely progressed indefinitely.
IIRC, what Guru did was "Unlock your hidden potential", but even if what he did was remove Gohan and Krillin's limits, it's quite possible that Kami could have done something similar for Goku back when Goku was training under Kami.

Although I also sort of remember something about Saiyans just not having real Limits to begin with.
 
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