Naruto The Narutoversity

nixofcyzerra · Jan 3, 2015

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But didn't Obito essentially transmigrate into Kakashi to give him the double Kamui and Susanoo? Obito certainly isn't Kakashi's past life.

Also, I personally had assumed that Naruto broke Indra and Ashura's cycle by winning over Sasuke, and that by the Last, Ashura and Indra had moved on, hence why Naruto's Kurama Mode looks different in that movie.

Altered Nova · Jan 3, 2015

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Hmmm. Yeah I suppose that Obito's ridiculous stunt would set the example for how transmigration works. Also yeah, on second thought I suppose it does sort of work similar to the Avatar Cycle, although none of Ashura's and Indra's 'reincarnations' are spiritually connected to their prior incarnations like the Avatars are to each other. And Naruto does describe it as "like being possessed by a chakra ghost" or something like that when Hagoromo tells him about it.

I have to wonder how Indra and Ashura manage to avoid running out of chakra. They don't have bodies anymore, so they can't produce physical energy. Do they somehow give their hosts a huge power upgrade without actually using up any chakra? Are they slowly using up their limited chakra reserves with each generation and eventually they won't be able to transmigrate anymore? Or can they absorb nature energy and convert it into chakra like the bijuu seemingly can?

atlas_hugged · Jan 3, 2015

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Altered Nova said:

Hmmm. Yeah I suppose that Obito's ridiculous stunt would set the example for how transmigration works. Also yeah, on second thought I suppose it does sort of work similar to the Avatar Cycle, although none of Ashura's and Indra's 'reincarnations' are spiritually connected to their prior incarnations like the Avatars are to each other. And Naruto does describe it as "like being possessed by a chakra ghost" or something like that when Hagoromo tells him about it.

I have to wonder how Indra and Ashura manage to avoid running out of chakra. They don't have bodies anymore, so they can't produce physical energy. Do they somehow give their hosts a huge power upgrade without actually using up any chakra? Are they slowly using up their limited chakra reserves with each generation and eventually they won't be able to transmigrate anymore? Or can they absorb nature energy and convert it into chakra like the bijuu seemingly can?

Well, they are both sons of the guy who made the bijuu who can convert nature energy to chakra.

Could Obito's stunt be related to what Itachi was able to do to Sasuke? Just transfer eye powers?

nixofcyzerra · Jan 3, 2015

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No that bloody eye poke was apparently a Transcription Seal.

Third Databook said:

Transcription Seal: Amaterasu (è»¢å†™å°å°ãƒ»å¤©ç…§, Tensha Fuuin: Amaterasu)
Ninjutsu, Fuuinjutsu, No rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
User: Uchiha Itachi

A ranging fire of black flames, handed out using the "Sharingan" as a medium

[picture sequence of Sasuke's Sharingan morphing into Itachi's Mangekyou Sharingan]
â†’The "Sharingan" with the "Amaterasu" sealed into it seizes the target determined by the user...

"Amaterasu," only usable by those who activated the "Mangekyou Sharingan," is the highest ranked ninjutsu from the Fire Release group. "Transcription Seal: Amaterasu" seals this effect into the Sharingan of a third party. Once the eye wherein the technique is sealed sees the specific target, the seal is broken and the "black flame that even consumes other flames" swoops down on its prey!!

[picture of Tobi being hit by the Amaterasu]
â†Jet-black raging flames spring forth from the eye, attacking the target! There is no way to escape from this fury!

Now burning brightly
A jet-black world-destroying conflagration!!

Obito never had the chance to do something like that.

nixofcyzerra · Jan 4, 2015

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The Diminishing Returns of Training.

Short theory this time: basically it's exponentially harder to learn a technique the higher the rank and complexity of it is. So while it takes, say, twice as much effort to learn a B-rank technique compared to a C-rank, it's 3 times harder to learn an A-rank jutsu than it is to learn a B-rank. Or something like that.

Minato created the Rasengan in 3 years, and Naruto got it down with clones in a month. But people have been annoyed for some time that Naruto didn't get the one-handed version down until during SWW4. The thing is, though, it's not really as much as a failing as you might think.

Let's put Nature and Shape Transformation on a 1-100 scale, which correspond to the ABCDE ranks (with S-rank basically being any Shinobi/Mission/Jutsu that's on a completely different level from A-rank, as the standard Rasenshuriken is S-rank, but so is the Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken

So the Academy 3, which aren't elemental in nature and don't involve Shape Transformation (as it is an advanced form of chakra control) beyond the standard hand seals would be a zero on this scale, fitting for Academy students, while the Chidori, another A-rank jutsu, would have a 40/100 in Shape (when preformed without hand seals) and a 40/100 in Nature, for a total of 80.

But remember this page?

"Six grades above the second (highest after S?) A-rank ultra high level."

The Rasengan, the pinnacle of Shape Transformation is six grades above 40, 100. Hence why Rasengan is supposed to be superior to the Chidori's 80 (even if they're the same rank and Naruto and Sasuke's clashes are always draws.)

Now returning to the original hypothesis of my theory, Jiraiya took a year to learn the Rasengan. But, unlike Naruto, he was already a Jounin, who had almost certainly learnt a high level of Shape Transformation in order to learn other A-rank techniques like Swamp of the Underworld. So he would have had a bare minimum of 40 "points" in Shape Transformation. So Jiraiya took a year to double or slightly more (or even possibly slightly less) than double his Shape Transformation up to 100. And as a Jounin (who may or may not have already been semi-retired/on a long-term mission when Minato showed him the technique) Jiraiya didn't have to train as much, so he could probably allocate more time to working on it.

Compare this to Naruto, who could perform the Rasengan in a month with one Shadow Clone. 100/2 = 50. Naruto "grinded 50 points" in Shape Transformation (at least) in one month. Post time-skip, Naruto still needed a Shadow Clone to form the Rasengan. Does that mean his Shape Transformation didn't improve? Nope! For all we know, Naruto had an "80" or "90" in Shape Transformation, a massive improvement that still just wasn't quite enough to pull off the Rasengan alone. But a little more mission experience and practise making Rasengans in combat, and hey presto, Naruto finished off that last bit of grinding! Hence why he can pull off one-handed Rasenshurikens two years later.

So should we really be annoyed that Naruto wasn't able to double his Shape Manipulation during the training trip, when he did double his Intelligence and Genjutsu stats, almost doubled his Taijutsu stat, maxed out his stamina, and improved his strength, speed and hand seals, while also massively improving his tactics, tripling the number of Kurama's tails that he could manifest and learned a bit of Fuinjutsu? I personally don't think so.

The same principle also applies to Nature Transformation. There were three stages Naruto's Wind Transformation training. The first stage was transforming his chakra to take on the nature/quality of the element. So sharpening his chakra so it can cut the leaf. If Naruto had been primarily fire or lightning, he probably would have had to make his chakra hot enough to burn the leaf, or electrify his chakra enough that the leaf would crinkle.

The second stage of Naruto's training was then producing a large quantity of Nature-transformed chakra instantaneously, large and fast enough to cut the fast-moving water of the waterfall, while the third was just putting it into a technique.

People seem to be annoyed that Naruto had to go through Mass Shadow Clone training to learn Wind Transformation when Sasuke learnt Lightning Transformation in less than a month. But it's the same principle as the Rasengan! While training for the finals, Sasuke copied the Chidori's hand seals, meaning that Sasuke didn't really have to learn much, if any Shape Transformation, and he grinded 40 points in Nature Transformation. Plus he could probably use his Sharingan to see some of the differences between Kakashi's regular chakra and his lightning-natured chakra.

Compare this to Naruto, who used the Shadow Clone Training to grind his Wind Transformation all the way up to 100. Remember, the Rasenshuriken is the pinnacle of Shape Transformation and Nature Transformation. It's a 200 on the scale!

There is one issue to this theory, though. Killer B's Supervibrato Lightning Release Swords. He uses lightning-natured chakra flow to increase the vibrating frequency (and thus piercing/cutting power,) to the point where it surpasses standard wind release techniques. So does Killer B just have a very strong lightning nature, as expected from someone from Kumo, or did Sasuke not even completely finish the first stage of his Lightning Transformation training?

Altered Nova · Jan 4, 2015

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That's pretty awesome. Now go design a Naruto RPG game using that knowledge!

I do find it interesting that Jiraiya implied that in-universe jutsu ranking extends multiple ranks well beyond A-rank, but the databooks ignore that and just lump everything higher together as S-rank.

My only problem is, what the hell does this sentence mean? I assume he calls it "A"-rank ultra high level because S-rank hadn't been introduced yet. Does anyone have a better translation?

If jutsu grades are ranked from lowest to highest, by "second" he could be referring to D-rank. In that case, six grades up from that would be a 70 on your scale, or SSS-rank. This makes more sense to me than assuming he was referring to "... the second [highest after S]". Not sure where you got that idea from, unless you were just trying to justify making Rasengan a 100 on your scale.

Which I think is unwarranted - Rasengan is high level shape transformation, but it's obviously not the very pinnacle. We've seen more advanced versions of Rasengan that would certainly require higher levels of shape transformation to pull off - Big Ball variants for one, and that crazy Planetary Rasengan.

I'd also say that Chidori likely isn't A-rank in shape transformation, because it's shape is so simple and basic. It literally just concentrates a bunch of chakra in the hand, it's not even sharpened to an edge (like the Third Raikage's Hell Stab ) and requires the user to run at the target at high speed to give it enough force to penetrate.

So I'd say that Rasengan is likely 70/100 in Shape, while Chidori is 20/100 in Shape and 40/100 in Nature for a total 60.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 4, 2015

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Two things:
1. I think either it was a really bad translation or Jiraiya was talking out of his ass to make the Rasengan look as cool as possible to Naruto. Possibly a combination of both.
Do anybody has the original? Or a different translation?

2. SHARINGAN ISN'T MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO!
We're flat told it's up to the user to apply the knowledge learned by the Sharingan to use in replicate the jutsu.
Which explains why KAKASHI was known as the Copy Nin when there were the Uchiha clan: most Uchiha, while talented, weren't ninjutsu super-genius like Kakashi is.
Give Lee the Sharingan and he couldn't copy a D-Rank Ninjutsu because he has no talent at all for it.

3. Killer B is a 30-so Jonin who did team-up with the candidate Raikage since he was 5. He's simply much more experienced than Sasuke... or Sasuke was never in the position to bother with such use of Raiton.
Also, 4th Raikage does note that Sasuke's Chidori uses "Kakashi's trick": use Raiton to increase penetration and hardness. I believe Chidori basically is a Raiton force-field focused in the palm and\or around the arm to turn it into a spear-like piercing point

Knyght · Jan 4, 2015

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nixofcyzerra said:

"It took Lord Fourth a full three years to perfect this jutsu...A level five out of six. Second from the top! An A-rank super-advanced ninjutsu."

And I don't think it was ever said how long it took Jiraiya (or Kakash) to learn the Rasengan.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 4, 2015

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Your translation(source? Viz, I guess?) makes much more sense given what we know.

And I don't remember it was ever stated how long Jiraiya and Kakashi spent on learning Rasengan

Knyght · Jan 4, 2015

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Viz, yes.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 4, 2015

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That said, Chidori might appear simple, because it's basic shape manipulation and basic nature manipulation.
But we don't have to forget using BOTH at the same time is really hard.

Basically using Shape and Nature at the same time means adding a Difficulty Multiplier. At least when performed without handseals. Which I guess become more and more the more complex the jutsu is: even "just" applying Nature to the Rasengan might have meant 30 handseals like Water Dragon Bullet, or more.

Also: I don't remember Naruto using a NORMAL Rasengan in Shippuden?

Knyght · Jan 4, 2015

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Define normal.

nixofcyzerra · Jan 4, 2015

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Edit: Disregard based off of knight54's posting of a better translation said:

I'll admit it, this one stumped me for a while. The manga says that the Rasengan is the highest level of Shape Manipulation. The entry for the Rasenshuriken in the 3rd Databook includes this sentence:

So I figured that the Big Ball Rasengan was literally just a bigger Rasengan. Same level of Shape Transformation, just with more chakra. Same with Jiraiya's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan (which is stated in its 3rd Databook entry to just be a result of adding natural energy to a Rasengan,) Naruto's Sage Art: Big Ball Rasengan (which is a Sage version of the Big Ball,) and the Planetary Rasengan, which is just a Big Ball Rasengan surrounded by three regular-sized Rasengan. Same principle as Kakashi forming a Lightning Cutter in each hand to counteract Kakuzu's Lightning Release: False Darkness. Same technique, performed more than once.

But then I read this:

The sentence about the amount of chakra being augmented is fine, as the level of Shape Transformation doesn't change. But the fact that the chakra is compacted to "an even higher density than usual" implies that further Shape Transformation is being applied.

So there's a contradiction. A technique that's supposed to be the pinnacle of Shape Transformation is improved further into an Odama version. How could this be resolved?

Then I had an epiphany. Remember this?

From the very first time we see him do it, Minato's Rasengan has always been the same size as the Big Ball Rasengan.

And if that's not enough, how about this?

Towards the end of SWW4, Naruto's regular Rasengan increased to the size of the Big Ball variant.

It may be a retcon, but I think that Naruto's Big Ball Rasengan is Minato's Rasengan, except for the usage of clones. The version we see Jiraiya and Kakashi use is a slightly inferior replica that was the best they could do due to not having maxed out their Shape Transformation. To revise my earlier numbers, Naruto achieved about 45% of Shape Transformation, and so with the help of a clone, could create the same type of Imperfect Rasengan as Kakashi and Jiraiya, who each had somewhere in the region of 90% Shape Transformation, while Minato created the pinnacle of Shape Transformation, having mastered it completely at 100%. During the Time-skip, Naruto passed the half-way point for Shape Transformation, and could therefore use a clone to create the Big Ball/Minato's Original Rasengan.

Jiraiya's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan is adding natural energy to an Imperfect Rasengan, while Naruto's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan is just adding more chakra to the Big Ball/Original/Minato's Rasengan, which can then be combined with Sage Mode and more Shadow Clones for the Sage Art: Many Ultra-Big Ball Spiralling Serial Spheres.

That's probably even the difference between the Wind Release Rasengan and the Rasenshuriken! The former is the Imperfect Rasengan + Wind Transformation, while the Rasenshuriken is the Big Ball/Minato's OG Rasengan + Wind Transformation.

Even Naruto and Sasuke's final clash supports this idea! Sasuke powers up his Chidori with his Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi, but Naruto's Rasengan still equals it. How could it do that, when the Chidori and the basic Rasengan (that Naruto used in every prior clash) were equal?

Hell, compare this:

With this:

New Headcanon accepted.

I'l admit you might have a point here. Maybe the Nature Transformation is somewhat higher to compensate for the comparitively less complex Shape Transformation. So the total is still 80%, but it's a 50%/30% split. Keep in mind that if my theory is correct, the Rasengan is literally more than twice as complex in shape compared to most other A-rank Jutsu, and four times as complex as C-rank Jutsu meant for Chuunin and Experienced Genin (which sort of ties in with Kakashi's philsophy that 3 Genin can beat a Jounin with teamwork,) such as the Great Fireball Jutsu, which is either a big orb of fiery chakra or a constant flamethrower. Neither of those two options are particularly complex.

ankokudaishogun said:

Yes, but the point that I was making is that the Sharingan can see chakra. Sasuke would be able to see what Electrically-recomposed/transformed chakra looks like even before Kakashi concentrates enough chakra to his hand that it becomes visible, and he might be able to look at the leaf he's trying to crinkle (assuming that the first stage of Lighting Transformation in similar to Wind's) and see what he's doing wrong. The difference between having to assemble a jigsaw puzzle either with or without knowing what the picture is.

Good point as to the former, and as to the latter, put on your Forehead Protector 'cause you totally Ninja'd me!

knight504 said:

Thanks, knight504! Appreciate it!

All right, forget most of my scale, though I do still believe that the Rasengan must use at least twice as much Shape Transformation as the Chidori in order to make up for it not involving Nature Transformation.

And yeah, I must have accidentally accepted fanon that Jiraiya learnt the Rasengan in a year as canon.

ankokudaishogun said:

For Naruto, who still kind of sucks at concentrating.

If by normal you mean basic initial Rasengan with a clone to help form it, then yeah he used it quite a bit. Sparring with Sai on the way to Tenchi Bridge comes to mind. If you mean the one-handed or the one-handed larger version, then he used it a few times during SWW4, but don't ask me to quote chapter numbers aside from the last fight with Sasuke.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 4, 2015

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Basically, the PRINCIPLE behind the Rasengan is the highest grade of Shape Manipulation as combines three different principles at the same time.
The highest... at that time!
With Wakusei Rasengan(and, possibly, with Rasenshuriken), Naruto improves it.

Let's remember Konohamaru's Rasengan is small. It's likely a simple matter of difference in amount of chakra used: Konohamaru used less than Naruto, which resulted in a smaller Rasengan to keep it stable. Naruto is bigger because he used more chakra, and Minato is even bigger for the same reason.
ÅŒdama Rasengan isn't simply bigger because there is more chakra, but because the chakra is more compressed: if Konohamaru's Rasengan had, in example, half of Naruto's chakra and was therefore half the size, ÅŒdama is, like, 20% bigger than a regular Rasengan but contains 200% the chakra.

ChÅÅdama Rasengan is something similar: it's MUCH bigger because the chakra is more powerful due the Senjutsu, needing a bigger size to stabilize.
(Note: I believe Jiraiya's ChÅÅdama and Naruto's SenpÅ ChÅÅdama being the same jutsu with a different prefix, as they both use Senjutsu. Please correct me if they are differently classified)

And mixing Shape and Nature is difficult for everybody: remember both Minato and Kakashi, two ninjutsu genius, were unable to add Nature to the Rasengan, and Kakashi's Chidori is likely A-Rank because it adds Nature to a relatively simple Shape Manipulation

Naruto training with Sai while going on Tenchi Bridge wasn't a filler?

nixofcyzerra · Jan 4, 2015

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"Absolute highest level." As I said, Rasenshuriken is the combination of the highest level of Shape Transformation and the highest level of basic Nature Transformation (as it doesn't use an Advanced or Combination Element.) Planetary Rasengan is a Big Ball Rasengan orbited by three basic Rasengan. It's not more advanced Shape Transformation, it's using one lot of "Ultimate level of Shape Transformation" surrounded by three lots of "Penultimate level of Shape Transformation." It's not an upgrade, as I said in my last post, it's the "same principle as Kakashi forming a Lightning Cutter in each hand to counteract Kakuzu's Lightning Release: False Darkness. Same transformation/technique, (and/or a slight variation) performed more than once."

Basic Rasengan made with a clone.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 5, 2015

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I've given a cursory read to the Rasengan entry in the 4th Databook.
Yeah, I'm now ascribing on the "Same principle, different application" school for what concerns Rasengan variations.

Also, the Wakusei Rasengan is a power-up of the Rasenrengan(the double Rasengan used against Pain): like the Rasenrengan was more than twice as powerful than a single Rasengan because the two Rasengan had two different rotations, Wakusei Rasengan has 4 different rotations, resulting in a much greater rise in power

nixofcyzerra · Jan 5, 2015

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The Rasenrengan was twice as good as the Rasengan because it has twice as many Rasengans.

Databook 2 - Rasengan: said:

A single Rasengan has multiple rotations.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 5, 2015

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Except that's the explanation of the Rasenrengan and Wakusei Rasengan given by the 4th Databook.
I guess Naruto manages to keep the spiraling of the chakra specular in the Rasenrengan.

nixofcyzerra · Jan 5, 2015

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Wait, the Sage Technique: Spiralling Serial Spheres (Senjutsu: Rasenrengan) is what Naruto used against Nagato's Animal Path in chapter 432.

The Spiralling Strife Spheres (Rasenrangan) is one of the three new techniques Naruto used in chapter 545, along with the Mini-Rasenshuriken and the Spiralling Absorption Sphere (RasenkyÅ«gan.)

Which of the two are you referring to, and could you quote the Databook entry, or provide a link to the relevant post in knight504's thread if it's been translated?

Oh, and here's what Narutopedia (I know, I know, it's not to be particularly trusted) has to say about the Planetary Rasengan:

ankokudaishogun · Jan 5, 2015

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I'm talking rasenrEngan.
Also, the Narutopedia entry on the Planetary Rasengan seems comply with my(admittedly limited) understanding of the databook entry.

nixofcyzerra · Jan 5, 2015

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Huh. Well, then, that doesn't seem to contradict my theory that Minato developed a technique that was the utmost pinnacle of Shape Transformation, the Original Rasengan, and them attempted to teach it to Jiraiya and Kakashi, who, due to not having grinded their last few levels in Shape Transformation, ended up creating a lesser version which they still referred to as "Rasengan."

Jiraiya would then then pass down the lesser "Rasengan" to Naruto, who would get his Shape Transformation to a little below 50% in a month, say 47.5%, allowing him to use the Imperfect Rasengan with a clone. During the time-skip, Naruto would notably improve his Shape Transformation to around 80%, not good enough to make even Jiraiya and Kakashi's Rasengan with one hand, but easily good enough to upgrade the Rasengan to Minato's original version (which had greater compression compared to the original) while using a clone.

Further use of the Rasengan and derivations (none of which involve an impossible higher level of Shape Transformation, but either introducing Nature Transformation, Sage chakra and/or just using the same level of Shape Transformation to make the same/similar techniques more than once) would grind Naruto's "Shape Transformation Level" up to 100%, allowing him to pull off both Jiraiya/Kakashi's version of the Rasengan and the Big Ball/Minato's original version with one hand.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 5, 2015

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Or, possibly, it's a simple matter of chakra control.
Konohamaru's IS a full fledged Rasengan. It's smaller because it uses less chakra.

In math terms, if Rasengan is multiplication then Konohamaru's is 6x8, Naruto's is 16x8 and Minato's is 16x48.

nixofcyzerra · Jan 5, 2015

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You're partially correct.

Chakra control can be boiled down to moulding just enough chakra for the technique you're performing, and placing all of said built-up chakra into the jutsu (I would assume that any built-up chakra not placed in the Jutsu is vented out the Tenketsu.)

In Naruto's case (lots of stamina but poor control initially) the Kage Bunshin, Summoning Jutsu and Rasengan are incredibly well-suited for him, as when he uses them, he doesn't really have to worry about the 1st part of chakra control. The Kage Bunshin, Summoning and the Rasengan scale. You use more chakra when using Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, you just get more clones. Use more chakra in the Summoning technique, you get a bigger toad. Use more chakra in the Rasengan (which is already a very chakra intensive technique) you just get a bigger Rasengan. Konohamaru's Rasengan was smaller because, although he was using the same level of Shape Transformation as Jiraiya and Kakashi, he'd built up less chakra. The only downsides are that Naruto still wastes a large portion of built-up chakra that isn't put into the Jutsu (until he improves his chakra control, ensuring less waste,) and making more clones and summoning bigger toads than he has to will tire him out faster.

But the Big Ball Rasengan is different:

Not only does Naruto use even more chakra, he condenses it further. That further compression must be a result of further Shape Manipulation.

Minato's Rasengan explodes (i.e. undergoes a violent expansion in which much energy is released as a shock wave.) So does the Big Ball Rasengan.

Q.E.D.

Altered Nova · Jan 5, 2015

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nixofcyzerra said:

Uh so does Naruto's regular rasengan.

Now admittedly the Rasengan is inconsistent about this. It doesn't always explode. Sometimes it just grinds into things like a drill bit. But his first successful combat usage of the jutsu, that fucker detonated. It threw Kabuto several hundred feet away.

nixofcyzerra · Jan 5, 2015

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I'm pretty sure Jiraiya/Kakashi's Rasengan isn't supposed to explode, it's just that Naruto's containment failed a little and so it ended up decompressing a little. Otherwise Kabuto's stomach would have ended up more like this tree:

I don't care how good Kabuto's Yin Healing Wound Destruction is, Jiraiya's Rasengan completely annihilated a chunk out of that tree. I think only Dust Release could have done a better job.

Kabuto's technique involves predicting where an attack is going to land and prompting cellular regeneration in that area before contact is made, essentially healing the initial damage as it occurs, rather than healing a wound after it's been completely made.

Quoted from the 2nd Databook said:

Jiraiya's Rasengan would have disintegrated a good part of Kabuto's stomach, and it's been explicitly stated that the only Medical Ninjutsu that can regrow organs is Tsunade's Creation Rebirth.

Naruto's Rasengan against Kabuto destabilised a bit, meaning some of the power leaked out, enough to send Kabuto flying, but that also meant that Kabuto took less damage to his stomach.

Minato's/Big Ball Rasengan is apparently designed to explode/"undergo a violent expansion in which much energy is released as a shock wave," judging by the images I linked earlier.

If you do have another, later example of a regular Rasengan expanding explosively, please do cite it.

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